The Duchess of Cambridge attends the Sarah Everard vigil

[JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]

My respect for the Duchess has just shot up. For a Royal, this is pretty bold and brave.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarah-everard-vigil-kate-middleton-london-b1816862.html

Not forgetting other women - if you attended the vigil tonight, thank you for sticking up for women's rights. Let's hope this is an opportunity for the Met Police to review and change how they treat both offending officers and female victims

@Backstreetsbackalrightdadada

Ok well now you’re saying about KM that she somehow is indirectly responsible for Andrew. You’ll say she at least represents that institution but you’re getting at the same thing. No Kate isn’t responsible for Andrew or the royal family’s treatment of him. We have no idea what W&K think of him but if it’s anything like Charles who fired Andy and his kids then... why do you think Kate has any bearing on Andy?

I am saying she is part of a franchise that is stopping the overhaul of a system that actively protects Andrew and his likes (Jimmy S. anyone?). Sorry if I don’t buy brand Kate.

And I never said it wasn’t in the spotlight because of the people working hard behind the scenes. We will have to agree to disagree. In my opinion the more people helping this issue be in the spotlight the better, I am don’t care if it’s Jill Blogs, or a royal, a British tv Star, or a Hollywood celeb helping put it in the spotlight. It just needs to be talked about.

@en0la

Why didn't she take flowers?

Because if she had left them with a handwritten card someone would have pinched it.

That way, we could focus on important issues like why were there no resources to take sufficient action when this murderer was reported just two days prior

Tell me, what resources do you need to suspend a police officer? A unicorn poo? A gold plated Jaguar? No - you say "you're suspended". The Met Police protected their own, and abolishing the RF wouldn't have changed that for one minute.

[quote Thewithesarehere]@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows
She is happily receiving all the benefits of being in and promoting a brand and a franchise that is protecting that person.
You see no issue with that?[/quote]
I've said previously that whilst the family will pair a United front, I have the intelligence to see that they are not a hive mind and her personal opinion is probably that she's furious with PA and the cover up. She hardly gonna tweet that though is she. I'm not mad at her at all because she personally didn't stand up to it all.

[quote Thewithesarehere]@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows
She is happily receiving all the benefits of being in and promoting a brand and a franchise that is protecting that person.
You see no issue with that?[/quote]
Fuck sake, she married a bloke. I'm sure you wouldn't normally think a woman is responsible for the behaviour of her in-laws

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@TatianaBis you and the likes of you have turned this thread into a focus about Kate Middleton, rather than Sarah. So WHY are you complaining that the focus isn't on Sarah?[/quote]
But since you deliberately started a thread focussing on KM rather than Sarah, isn’t that what you wanted?

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

That way, we could focus on important issues like why were there no resources to take sufficient action when this murderer was reported just two days prior

Tell me, what resources do you need to suspend a police officer? A unicorn poo? A gold plated Jaguar? No - you say "you're suspended". The Met Police protected their own, and abolishing the RF wouldn't have changed that for one minute.

A little less hyperbole would give you time to digest and think on my question. For example, what processes do two police officers need to do to ensure they can run a number plate on their record. I have seen enough process failing due to such small things that a unicorn poo would be a complete overkill.

@viques my thread was about the great wave of support women are showing to Sarah and how great it is when high profile women like KM join in. I wasn't starting a "ooh is this right or wrong" debate

Good for her! She looked like she wanted to be alone with her thoughts and then left.
This story has affected us all this last week and it lifted me a bit today seeing her there.

In more important news - the Met is now under fire for heavy handed policing of the vigil. Sadiq Khan has asked for an explanation from the Met for its grabbing of women at a peaceful event.

Keir Starmer tweet:

The scenes in Clapham this evening are deeply disturbing. Women came together to mourn Sarah Everard – they should have been able to do so peacefully.

“I share their anger and upset at how this has been handled. This was not the way to police this protest.”

Fuck sake, she married a bloke. I'm sure you wouldn't normally think a woman is responsible for the behaviour of her in-laws
Yeah a regular bloke like the ones down my village pub.

@TatianaBis

I’m a republican and even I know it’s good she went

You mean you believe it was good she went. I'm a republican and I believe it was distasteful.

If Kate wants to do something 'good' she can champion all the women who are murdered every week. She can add da and sexual violence to the charities she supports, she can read out the names of victims on the annual International Women’s Day. That might conceivably help. Today just helps the RF.

But if she did that you'd just say it was cynical PR

Laying flowers for a woman whose murderer is suspected to be a serving met police officer (you know, the crowd that supply the RF's security) is a pretty bold statement. The RF are heavily invested in supporting the status quo and establishment, and the met are part of that. I can completely see where the cynics are coming from, but because of the above I wouldn't chalk this 100% up to Kate being told by the grey men to be a good girl and show her face down Clapham direction. I just don't think they'd pick this cause, and not right now when her maj has all but told everyone to STFU and wait for things to calm down.

Even if I'm wrong, if this keeps Sarah's story and name and what happened to her in the news I'm really not all that bothered tbh. We need women of all backgrounds to say things have to change, because male violence and misogyny effects women of all backgrounds. The DoC has a very privileged life now, but she spent the guts of ten years being chased by paps with no protection. It doesn't take Mystic Meg to realise she may have felt scared, threatened or intimated on occasion when they pursued her.

Go on then @Thewithesarehere tell us about this complicated resource filled process which has to happen before an officer exposing himself to women is taken off duty. Because that seemed like a massive question dodge to me

She did have protection- a woman officer in an ordinary leggings and puffa jacket outfit that mixed in with the crowds a few metres distant from Kate. All very discreet.
Before Kate and William were engaged, she spent 5 years living in London, chased by photographers with no protection at all.
I am glad she went today.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Go on then *@Thewithesarehere* tell us about this complicated resource filled process which has to happen before an officer exposing himself to women is taken off duty. Because that seemed like a massive question dodge to me

I quite literally just did! FFS

@Thewithesarehere

Fuck sake, she married a bloke. I'm sure you wouldn't normally think a woman is responsible for the behaviour of her in-laws Yeah a regular bloke like the ones down my village pub.

It seems ironic that you think you are a republican but also seem to think the royal family are a class apart. They're just people

But if she did that you'd just say it was cynical PR

Not if she actually committed to supporting them.

@Thewithesarehere did you?!?!

You think the below is the answer to "what resources do the police need to suspend an officer for indecently exposing himself to women", makes sense?:

For example, what processes do two police officers need to do to ensure they can run a number plate on their record.
I have seen enough process failing due to such small things that a unicorn poo would be a complete overkill

It seems ironic that you think you are a republican but also seem to think the royal family are a class apart. They're just people

I don’t think that they are a class apart. I think they are part of a system that is far too corrupt to be allowed to exist now and that is actively promoting things that no one should be allowed to do in this day and age.

changed my mind this evening because without a shadow of a doubt she was strongly “advised”” not to attend but did.Respect
What’s your evidence for this? Who strongly Kate advised do not attend?
How do you know she declined this advice @DenisetheMenace“

Not, sorry, I don’t have “evidence”.

I’m a random on the internet, like you are. It’s called stating the bleeding obvious.

The woman can’t do right for doing wrong, can she?

I’m a woman, she’s a woman, you (?) are a woman. We each want to express our distress about Sarah. End of.

If it's a pr stunt then it's a very surprising one.
Senior royals are supposed to steer clear of anything political.

The police had said women should stay away. So she went against that. Also the fact that it looks like a police officer committed the murder.

A very unusual move for a senior royal.

She is a woman, she used to be a girl, she went to university, she had a social life etc.

For women not to get harassed etc they would need to live in a box.

Why shouldn't she feel strongly about this and want to go? Even though it's a move that I can't imagine the palace would have been keen on (political etc).

She went anyway. That's a big deal. No-one expected her to. She didn't have to. The police had said don't come.

The cynicism on this thread is depressing. She is a human, a woman. Why would she not want to go and tbh make a massive statement in doing so that she did not need to make.

Depressing responses.

Why is it that so many women seem to be just really. I don't know. Judgemental/ unforgiving to other women?

I still don’t see how Kate is responsible for Andy, how anyone has a right to tell any women how to protest (including royalty), how royal protection (and I’m against any royal costs) seemingly would change the misogynistic met... I don’t like gatekeeping and I don’t like women being excluded from an all-women issue. Why say “in more important news” on a thread about a niche topic that you’ve chosen to join. It’s really sad to tear down anyone trying to help the cause in ANY way. I’d love to see more people in the public eye helping out, doing anything. I’m not fussy when it comes to preventing violence against women - it’s not about my preferences it’s about getting change done.

'A little less hyperbole would give you time to digest and think on my question. For example, what processes do two police officers need to do to ensure they can run a number plate on their record.'

What is this supposed to mean in the context of this case?