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F1 2021 and we have a Schumacher on the grid again

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en0la · 12/03/2021 17:45

In the absence of a F1 forum I'd like to chat about all things F1 Grand Prix.

How will the season go? How will the newest Schumacher fare ?

I can't wait for the first race.

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Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 20:45

Yes, and it is the Daily Star after all. Grin
I don't know whether this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not sure about Mick. I mean his Dad and all he achieved and then there's Mick trundling about at the back of the grid with Mr Crash himself Mazepin. It just seems a bit odd to me that he's happy to keep doing it.

Angelcupcake · 12/12/2021 20:48

Just so gutting for him sparkling 😔. They just seem to make up the rules?

I think he's a very sweet person, congratulating max and his dad and doing his interview, and he had tears in his eyes...

Well, as DP said, at least they're all still alive!

Max is clearly over the moon but it wasn't really a proper win for me, although to be fair to him, he didn't actually do any dirty driving this time I don't think.

Perez was brilliant as usual. I really like him. Don't understand why his car was retired though? I haven't rtft, will catch up on it now...

meh12 · 12/12/2021 20:50

Perez was brilliant as usual. I really like him. Don't understand why his car was retired though?

I have absolutely no idea what happened to anyone else, I was surprised to see Sainz pop up on the podium 😂😂

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GrouchyKiwi · 12/12/2021 20:53

Sainz is quite good at being in the right place at the right time!

Swirlywoo · 12/12/2021 20:59

I was also really bothered by the booing, after he'd lost the race too. He's so sporting and yet gets so much crap.

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 21:11

First reports I saw said Pérez retired with an oil pressure problem, but I haven’t looked into it since so not sure how true that is. They must’ve been concerned the car could stop anywhere on track thus prolonging the SC until the end. What a defence he put up earlier in the race, it was brilliant!

If you could combine Bottas, who is an amazing qualifier but becomes a bit useless when stuck in the midfield or asked to defend, with Pérez, who is the exact opposite… you’d have a brilliant driver right there.

I’m really excited to see George in a (hopefully still) competitive Merc next year, and if Ferrari deliver, see Charles join the fight as well. Those two are another pair of crazy-quick monsters who will cause some havoc at the front too.

GrouchyKiwi · 12/12/2021 21:14

I also hope McLaren continues its upwards trend and we get Lando in the fight too. (I love Danny Ric but I think his best days are past him.)

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 21:16

DS (big F1 geek/fan) has appeared home claiming they underfuelled Perez on purpose but disappeared before I could ask him about it.

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 21:27

The FIA have published the post-race scrutineering of all cars, it can be found on their website. Pérez’s car passed all the checks. If they had underfuelled it would have come up during those. They check weight, fuel pressure, fuel flow measurements… everything there is. It would have come up.

Even if the car had been underfuelled, there was a VSC and a long-ish SC period which would offset most if not all of the fuel difference and allow him to finish the race normally. Pérez also went back into the pits with 3 laps to go, by which point many slower laps had been completed. It also makes no sense to claim he had less fuel when he was constantly slower than Max and Lewis throughout the race.

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 21:30

The most recent official statement says he was retired due to reliability concerns. That’s not as suspicious as some people want to think, for example only yesterday Bottas needed to change his engine before qualifying, for the same reason. And Merc would’ve massively benefitted from having him upfront, so it’s not suspicious they had reliability issues either.

Newmum110 · 12/12/2021 21:39

Can anyone explain why Perez retiring was of benefit to RB? I'm confused why there are conspiracy theories regarding this?

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 21:45

It wasn't. Which is why the theory makes no sense.

People are making jokes about Mick having prevented his father's record being broken... it can be funny, in a way.

But saying Pérez was underfuelled for some bizarre reason makes absolutely no sense, I don't even know who came up with that.

Angelcupcake · 12/12/2021 21:46

Well, I agree with grouchy, in sport everybody needs to know what the rules are! Otherwise how can you possibly have a game/race.
Set rules, set penalties, no bargaining over the headphones, totally impartial, and no random grey areas when race control are challenged.

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 21:48

But saying Pérez was underfuelled for some bizarre reason makes absolutely no sense, I don't even know who came up with that

DS went back out before I could ask why he thought that.

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 21:59

I've just seen the underfuelling theory is doing the rounds on Reddit as the 'unofficial cause of retirement'. It's always wild on there Grin

They're also suggesting Bottas should have purposefully crash into a wall at the end, so the SC wouldn't come in. Brilliant minds Grin

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 22:02

@BHX3000

I've just seen the underfuelling theory is doing the rounds on Reddit as the 'unofficial cause of retirement'. It's always wild on there Grin

They're also suggesting Bottas should have purposefully crash into a wall at the end, so the SC wouldn't come in. Brilliant minds Grin

I think saying you're retiring because you are worried your car will pack up (and you didn't want to risk the SC) covers every eventuality anyway.
BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 22:16

I think saying you're retiring because you are worried your car will pack up (and you didn't want to risk the SC) covers every eventuality anyway.

Have you seen how often this happens in races though? It's not something you see once a year and then wow, look at RB masterminding it just in time for the championship-deciding race. It happens quite often, mostly in the lower ranked teams nowadays. It's not a new or unusual thing.

If that eventuality was an infringement of the car regulations, it would be found at scrutineering. And in any case, how does Pérez retiring benefit Max? Honest question? He was behind him.

I get that those disappointed or annoyed at the result will be clutching at straws trying to see the evil in the opposite party, but let's not make ridiculous assumptions about something that hasn't even been investigated. If it had been suspicious, be sure Mercedes would have raised it.

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 22:21

Not a clue. DS is a huge Verstappen fan and is overjoyed at the result so he was saying it as if it was a good thing not from a view of Perez or Red Bull doing anything wrong.

I was trying to say that IMO he didn't do anything wrong and drivers can retire from the race whenever they wish presumably. Although not great for the sponsors.

batmanladybird · 12/12/2021 22:49

What a great season

FluffyBooBoo · 13/12/2021 00:02

Undefuelling=a lighter car=a faster car=a car that can be more useful to aid a teammate fighting for the championship.

It's not the retiring of the car that would be of benefit.

(I'm not saying that's what happened, but I'm guessing that's what the theory is)

JudgeJ · 13/12/2021 12:29

@AlternativePerspective

Not from where I'm watching. Brilliant race. max is that you?
Probably Mrs Horner
JudgeJ · 13/12/2021 12:32

One fan tweeted: "Mick Schumacher masterclass by causing Latifi to crash, bringing out the safety car, allowing max to win, meaning Michael Schumacher doesn’t lose his record."

Someone is seriously over-estimating Mini-Schumi's intelligence there!
He needs to look towards getting beyond Q1 next season rather than anything else.

GrouchyKiwi · 13/12/2021 12:32

The Times is carrying a story that Mercedes will abandon its appeal "for the good of the sport". Which is both good and not good. I hope it is because the FIA has agreed to make sure there is full clarity on the rules and Michael Masi is resigning.

BHX3000 · 13/12/2021 13:01

I’ve lost count of how many times a team has threatened to leave the sport.

Mind you, it’s normally Helmut Marko making those claims.

They will be (I would expect) rightly compensated for the damages and loss of income had they won yesterday. But I don’t think anyone believes Mercedes won’t be there in March next year for the new season.