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F1 2021 and we have a Schumacher on the grid again

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en0la · 12/03/2021 17:45

In the absence of a F1 forum I'd like to chat about all things F1 Grand Prix.

How will the season go? How will the newest Schumacher fare ?

I can't wait for the first race.

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Mindareno · 12/12/2021 18:19

@jennywasafriendofmrbrightside

Not sure which races you've been watching - Max is always petulant!! Storming off the podium in Jeddah...

Lewis was a true sportsman in the face of crushing defeat (and a dodgy call at the end by Masi) and was still gentlemanly enough to congratulate Max and celebrated with them on the podium - guaranteed it wouldn't have been the same if Lewis had won Hmm

I agree with that but even so, I still feel for max Verstappen. He is not to blame for the farce at the end of the race (and to give him his due, he drove a great last lap). He should be able to enjoy this evening instead of wondering if or when it will be taken from him.
MaryStuart · 12/12/2021 18:21

Decision within the next half hour apparently

GloriaBoil · 12/12/2021 18:23

Whether you think he is 'petulant' or not is irrelevant, I still believe regardless of his attitude off track, that he has been the better driver all season and has had his own share of bad luck and decisions being in favour of Mercedes all the way through.

Personally I get the 'woe is me' vibe from Hamilton, he is always the victim and I can't help but roll my eyes at what I do feel is an act with him. Like when Perez was holding him back he was going on about it being dangerous driving, eye roll moment and typical Hamilton imo, Perez was driving fantastically and did exactly what he needed to for his team, just because he didn't immediately concede to Lewis doesn't make it dangerous driving, it's called racing.

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BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 18:23

Not sure which races you've been watching - Max is always petulant!!

Oh that he is! I never said otherwise. But from a driving and skill point of view, he has made no mistakes this year. The same can't be said for Lewis.

Lewis' class is understated, completely agree with that. It also comes from being at a totally different stage of his career. He's the same person who was driving into Massa every second race in 2011, or who backed up the pack in 2016 trying to deny Nico the championship.

They're are racers. When they're young, and about to lose their first or second championship, they won't be playing nice. Lewis didn't, I don't think anyone expected Max to, and that's how it's always been.

Max deserved to win today. No one, including Max, Lewis and everyone watching, deserved that shitshow that unfolded at the end of the race.

StarCourt · 12/12/2021 18:25

This season has been nothing but whinging and moaning from both team principals. It's undoubtedly been a difficult season for Michael Masi too. I for one cannot blame him for wanting to base his decisions today on letting them race. Imagine winning a championship under a safety car!

prh47bridge · 12/12/2021 18:25

@BHX3000

Even if it came in, Max would have had track position and, with lapped cars between them (assuming Masi stuck to the rules), Lewis would have been unlikely to win.

Leaving the lapped cars between whoever was in first and second position, regardless of the order, would not have been sticking to the rules. It would have been seen as Race Control gifting the win to whoever was in first position at the restart. That would've been 'ignoring the rules' - that they have applied for years - as Christian rightly said during the madness we saw int the 56-57th laps.

The track was already clear when they instructed lapped cars not to overtake. It was safe enough, and still early enough, to allow them to unlap themselves. Which is something that has happened every single time there's been a safety car since the rule was first introduced. The first mistake was to say 'lapped cars not allowed to overtake SC'.

The rules say that the lapped cars can be allowed to overtake the safety car, not that they have to be allowed. Crucially, if they are allowed to overtake the safety car, the race must not restart until the lap following the lap on which the last lapped car passes the safety car. So sticking to the rules was either leaving the lapped cars between Lewis and Max, or allowing all the lapped cars to pass the safety car and not restarting until the end of the following lap. Either would have been fine. Allowing some of the lapped cars to pass the safety car then restarting the race at the end of that lap was just making up rules as we go along.
GrouchyKiwi · 12/12/2021 18:25

Overtaking under safety car appeal rejected.

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 18:25

Ignore all the grammar mistakes btw... Trying to refresh Twitter, the FIA website, watch the latest news and keep up with Mumsnet all in one go Grin

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 18:26

I wonder what will happen with Russell and Hamilton next year? Will they be fighting it out at the front of the grid I wonder? Will there be team orders?

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 18:27

And more importantly will Russell get his very own Angela?

GrouchyKiwi · 12/12/2021 18:27

And I definitely disagree that Max has driven brilliantly all year. Driving other cars off the track and refusing to concede when others have the racing line is not driving perfectly.

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 18:27

@prh47bridge there is a precedent for that exact scenario. Brazil 2019. Random interpretation of those rules has happened before, yet I didn't see anyone appealing the same exact decision at the time.

ChequerBoard · 12/12/2021 18:27

"Oh that he is! I never said otherwise. But from a driving and skill point of view, he has made no mistakes this year. The same can't be said for Lewis."

Again, not sure which races you have been watching! Max has been skating on the edge of dangerous driving in several races.

Example - him having to yield his place to Lewis in Jeddah and the subsequent 10 second penalty for erratic braking.

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 18:29

First protest has been dismissed-

An FIA statement read: "The stewards consider that the protest is admissible.

"Having considered the various statements made by the parties. The stewards determine that although Car 33 did at one stage, for a very short period of time, move slightly in front of Car 44, at a time when both cars where accelerating and braking, it moved back behind Car 44 and it was not in front when the Safety Car period ended (i.e. at the line).

"Accordingly, the protest is dismissed and the Protest Deposit is not refunded.

GloriaBoil · 12/12/2021 18:31

@ChequerBoard

"Oh that he is! I never said otherwise. But from a driving and skill point of view, he has made no mistakes this year. The same can't be said for Lewis."

Again, not sure which races you have been watching! Max has been skating on the edge of dangerous driving in several races.

Example - him having to yield his place to Lewis in Jeddah and the subsequent 10 second penalty for erratic braking.

And Hamilton has never? 🤣
Mindareno · 12/12/2021 18:32

@Sparklingbrook

First protest has been dismissed-

An FIA statement read: "The stewards consider that the protest is admissible.

"Having considered the various statements made by the parties. The stewards determine that although Car 33 did at one stage, for a very short period of time, move slightly in front of Car 44, at a time when both cars where accelerating and braking, it moved back behind Car 44 and it was not in front when the Safety Car period ended (i.e. at the line).

"Accordingly, the protest is dismissed and the Protest Deposit is not refunded.

Fair enough. That one was always slightly tenuous in my opinion as it didn’t affect the outcome
PatriciaHolm · 12/12/2021 18:32

BBC reckon main decision due in 5-10 minutes...

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 18:32

@GrouchyKiwi

And I definitely disagree that Max has driven brilliantly all year. Driving other cars off the track and refusing to concede when others have the racing line is not driving perfectly.
There have been two instances in which he has done that, and he was penalised for it. Monza and Jeddah. In Brazil they decided to let it go, just like they did today. In Silverstone, Lewis was at fault.

So that's 2-1 in racing incidents.

Max has not done mistakes when it comes to his own driving. He's been faultless and the races he's not been on the podium, it was because someone else took him out (Silverstone, Hungary), or because of bad luck.

Lewis damaged his own car over kerbs, forgot to correct the brake balance at the restart in Baku which took him out of the points, and there have been several qualifyings where his best sector times didn't come together when it mattered.

He's driven brilliantly regardless, and would have deserved to win today as well. But stating that Max's season has been better is something that the F1 paddock and majority of experts around the world believe, because that's what he has shown on track.

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 18:33

I wonder how much the 'Protest Deposit' was ?

MaryStuart · 12/12/2021 18:34

6.45 decision. Red Bull going to get the decision in person …. 🤔🤔🤔

BHX3000 · 12/12/2021 18:36

Accordingly, the protest is dismissed and the Protest Deposit is not refunded.

Add to this the fines they've issued for people touching other cars, or speeding 1 kmh somewhere insignificant, and the FIA must have gone for some really nice dinners over the season Grin

Sparklingbrook · 12/12/2021 18:36

@MaryStuart

6.45 decision. Red Bull going to get the decision in person …. 🤔🤔🤔
Geri will probably volunteer to receive it.
MaryStuart · 12/12/2021 18:36

@Sparklingbrook

I wonder how much the 'Protest Deposit' was ?
Yes, I’d be interested to know that!
prh47bridge · 12/12/2021 18:37

[quote BHX3000]@prh47bridge there is a precedent for that exact scenario. Brazil 2019. Random interpretation of those rules has happened before, yet I didn't see anyone appealing the same exact decision at the time.[/quote]
I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you clarify? As far as I can remember, there was nothing in any way unusual about the safety car period in that race, nor do I remember any random interpretation of the safety car rules (or, indeed, any other rules).

MaryStuart · 12/12/2021 18:37

Geri will probably volunteer to receive it

🤣🤣🤣

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