F1 2021 and we have a Schumacher on the grid again

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In the absence of a F1 forum I'd like to chat about all things F1 Grand Prix.

How will the season go? How will the newest Schumacher fare ?

I can't wait for the first race.

@MaryStuart

6.45 decision. Red Bull going to get the decision in person …. 🤔🤔🤔

Does going in person have implications?

If they were to take the championship away from something that either competitor did to affect the outcome, fair enough.

But it would be incredibly unfair if the result was overturned because Race Control couldn't get their shit together and apply the rules properly. It would be incredibly unfair because neither Max or Lewis are at fault for that.

I hope they don't pay the price for the FIA's incompetence.

Do Red Bull have to take the trophies with them when they get the decision?

@BHX3000

If they were to take the championship away from something that either competitor did to affect the outcome, fair enough.

But it would be incredibly unfair if the result was overturned because Race Control couldn't get their shit together and apply the rules properly. It would be incredibly unfair because neither Max or Lewis are at fault for that.

I hope they don't pay the price for the FIA's incompetence.

Yes, it leaves a bad taste either way.

Geri will probably volunteer to receive it

And Instagram Story it!

Max absolutely is a great driver and obviously there are more WDC is his future - but people saying he's been a great driver all year are delusional. He's been pushing the limits all season (and has been downright dangerous on occasion) and the FIA have turned the other way a number of times.

@Mindareno
I have no idea. The sky sports news reporter has tried to find out if Mercedes will find out at the same time too / will be there too.
(#awkward!)
But he hasn’t yet had any info on that.

BBC says both teams are to return to the stewards in 5 minutes to hear the result.

I have to say that i am impressed the 'inquest' is done on the same day, and not dragged on for days after.

After the first protest was dismissed, what it has come down to is whether the title was influenced by a race control error.

From Chris Medland's Twitter. If it was a race control error they should declare the result void. Not penalise either team for it.

@GrouchyKiwi

BBC says both teams are to return to the stewards in 5 minutes to hear the result.

Game of rock paper scissors to decide?

@Sparklingbrook

I have to say that i am impressed the 'inquest' is done on the same day, and not dragged on for days after.

This is just the response from the FIA - 'could' go to court and rumble on into next year

@Sparklingbrook

I wonder how much the 'Protest Deposit' was ?

2000 euro I think (p11)...

www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2020_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-iss_8-_2020-05-27_0.pdf

This is just the response from the FIA - 'could' go to court and rumble on into next year

I don't think anyone will be too bothered by that point. Especially if 2022 season has started.

@PatriciaHolm not as much as I thought.

@prh47bridge in Brazil 2019, Robert Kubica had not completely unlapped himself by the time the SC came in and the race was restarted. He was at +2 LAP during lap 57, he was allowed to unlap himself once, together with all the other drivers who were +1 LAP. He was still +1 LAP at the restart (lap 59). That, from a regulation point of view, was not the correct procedure. It was deemed that whether he'd had unlapped himself once more or not, would not have a significant outcome at the end of the race. There was another SC around lap 66 when the Ferraris crashed out, so the pack was regrouped once again, but he's still classified as +1 LAP in the final standings. That's the precedent for 'some, not all, cars allowed to overtake'.

@BHX3000

Ignore all the grammar mistakes btw... Trying to refresh Twitter, the FIA website, watch the latest news and keep up with Mumsnet all in one go

Me too! Frantic flicking & scrolling 😬

Well that’s that

Max hugging Horner

Max confirmed yay

No surprise on the decision. Can’t see Mercedes letting it lie though.

Autosport have tweeted that second protest denied...

[quote BHX3000]@prh47bridge in Brazil 2019, Robert Kubica had not completely unlapped himself by the time the SC came in and the race was restarted. He was at +2 LAP during lap 57, he was allowed to unlap himself once, together with all the other drivers who were +1 LAP. He was still +1 LAP at the restart (lap 59). That, from a regulation point of view, was not the correct procedure. It was deemed that whether he'd had unlapped himself once more or not, would not have a significant outcome at the end of the race. There was another SC around lap 66 when the Ferraris crashed out, so the pack was regrouped once again, but he's still classified as +1 LAP in the final standings. That's the precedent for 'some, not all, cars allowed to overtake'.[/quote]
In your example, all lapped cars were allowed to overtake the safety car. The regulation does not require them all to unlap themselves completely. It simply says that any cars that have been lapped will be required to pass the race leader and the safety car. Once the last lapped car has passed the race leader, the race can restart at the end of the following lap. So that is not the precedent you think it is.

It's just so unsatisfying.

I wasn't expecting the result to be overturned TBH, it's all a bit of a disappointing end to the season. Hopefully next year will be altogether different.