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Students thrown off course for throwing a party.

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Cotbedy · 07/03/2021 11:37

Basically, a load of students held a party of around 16/17 people. They got reported, they all got a £400 fine, apart from the host who got a £10,000 fine.

Then their Uni kicked them all off their courses for bringing the Uni into disrepute.

I think this is probably a fair and reasonable punishment, but DP thinks the Uni have gone too far and they're being unfair.

I'm curious to hear others' thoughts on the matter! Fair or unreasonable?

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Sleeeeeeeeeeep · 08/03/2021 18:45

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I think it's harsh. They are teenagers and universities have massively screwed over these kids by charging them full fees for courses and a university experience that they haven't received. That's before you get into the cost of halls, which for many have been like prisons. I think the university has overstepped. It's like firing someone from their job for a traffic offence
I think the Uni is right to do this as the students were told over and over prior to the party that they would be expelled for doing so! If An employer informed employees that breaking COVID-19 laws would result in losing their job then they would lose their job, albeit I am unaware of an employer who has done this. The same as if an employer stipulates if an employee incurs a traffic offence they would lose their job, as long as it was stipulated to the employee prior to said traffic offence then tough the employee loses their iob.
ddl1 · 08/03/2021 18:50

Oh goody, we've almost returned to PEOPLE MIGHT DIE and STAY THE FUCK AT HOME.

Well, people not only MIGHT die of Covid; over 100,000 people in this country HAVE died of it.

And many more have been very ill with it.

And if people are sensible, then we might not have to STAY THE FUCK AT HOME very much longer; but if some people break all the rules, then most of us will be restricted for much longer.

'You do know that we're all going to die at some point, don't you?

So I suppose it's OK if a drunk driver kills someone because they were going to die at some point anyway?

Totopoly · 08/03/2021 19:00

I can only assume you were one of those people first time round, ddl1

I bet you washed your shopping, too.

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HostessTrolley · 08/03/2021 19:02

University students haven’t been treated like everyone else though, have they? Have you had a fence put round your home to stop or monitor your movements even though going out to buy food or to exercise is allowed? Have you been asked to prove that the person you’re walking with is from your house? Have you had security barge into your home - or in some cases your bedroom, late at night with no warning, no justification, and no apology?

DanceItOut · 08/03/2021 19:03

I am at university currently and they have made it clear from the beginning of covid that any students caught having parties will be removed from their studies. There has been many warnings and none of this is exactly new guidelines so I think the uni is completely justified.

ddl1 · 08/03/2021 19:09

I can only assume you were one of those people first time round, ddl1

One of those people who died? Yes. of course, I'm posting from beyond the grave!

But I certainly didn't and don't have parties during Covid!

ArDali1 · 08/03/2021 19:12

*gamerchick

It's harsh, but kids get their arses wiped so much these days, they're turning into arrogant, entitled adults.

Consequences to actions, send a lesson to the rest.*

This this this 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Mummadeze · 08/03/2021 19:47

I think too harsh. Easy to make mistakes at that age. Punishment of a fine and a good telling off sounds reasonable to me.

toocold54 · 08/03/2021 20:03

Oh goody, we've almost returned to PEOPLE MIGHT DIE and STAY THE FUCK AT HOME.

Oh FFS 🙄 these kids have no hope if their parents have this kind of attitude.

niknac1 · 08/03/2021 20:24

I think the fine is enough.

Bythemillpond · 08/03/2021 20:32

I think the Uni is right to do this as the students were told over and over prior to the party that they would be expelled for doing so

But what about the other parties that resulted in fines at this university.

Why didn’t those students get expelled? Why this group of students?

safariboot · 08/03/2021 20:33

On the one hand, it's hard to be sympathetic. On the other hand I'm confident students have committed much more serious crimes and not been expelled.

ThistleTits · 08/03/2021 20:36

I agree, they deserved it. They all knew the rules and the consequences.

LastTrainEast · 08/03/2021 20:46

I'm soft hearted so I might have left a way back from that. But perhaps there is. Have any of them tried writing a letter admitting their mistake and saying that they see now why it was wrong?

On the other hand their parents will probably be pleased that they stood up for the family right to be stupid. After all someone taught them that it's your "human right" to put your own wants before anyone else didn't they.

ddl1 · 08/03/2021 20:46

The reports don't say that all the students in question have been/ will be kicked out of university. They say that they 'face' it, which implies that it's a possible sanction, not a certain one.

It does depend on the severity of the misconduct in an individual case. However: to be specific about it, I have heard of cases (not at Portsmouth or connected with the episode reported here), where students have deliberately coughed at security people trying to break up a party. I think that anyone, who is proved to have done that, really does deserve automatic expulsion!

Totopoly · 08/03/2021 21:32

@ddl1

I can only assume you were one of those people first time round, ddl1

One of those people who died? Yes. of course, I'm posting from beyond the grave!

But I certainly didn't and don't have parties during Covid!

No, of course not! One of those people who was washing their shopping!
Lesserspottedmama · 08/03/2021 21:40

Flipping heck. Were none of you lot ever young yourselves or were you born middle aged sanctimonious misers? I can imagine it must be overwhelming hard to resist the temptation to do what they did. Remember being that age? All you want to do is be with your friends, contemporaries and the opposite sex. It must be SO hard being that age in a year long lockdown.
The worlds gone mad and I feel really sorry for the students.

thecatsthecats · 08/03/2021 21:47

It's not new that you can lose your university place if you commit a crime.

Or are we also going to say that those who commit sexual assaults on campus should be allowed to continue their courses so long as they serve their sentences?

JonSnowIsALoser · 08/03/2021 21:49

Of course it's not too harsh. Just a fine won't do - it only teaches richer students who can afford it that they can continue to break the rules.

Any law that punishes people with a fine in practice applies only to those worse off.

DenisetheMenace · 08/03/2021 21:54

Lesserspottedmama

Flipping heck. Were none of you lot ever young yourselves or were you born middle aged sanctimonious misers? I can imagine it must be overwhelming hard to resist the temptation to do what they did. Remember being that age? All you want to do is be with your friends, contemporaries and the opposite sex. It must be SO hard being that age in a year long lockdown.
The worlds gone mad and I feel really sorry for the students.“

Yes of course, we all were. I put myself in stupid/dangerous situations more times than I’d care to remember.
What I didn’t and would not have done though (as I don’t believe most young people would now, either) was deliberately do something that I knew would put others at risk of harm.
These are the brightest and best. They’ve been told what not to do and precisely why and are supremely capable of understanding. It’s been hard for everyone, for different reasons. They really have no excuse.

FromEden · 08/03/2021 21:54

People agreeing with and even applauding young people having their futures ruined for the "crime" of behaving like a normal human being. This is truly dystopian.

marktayloruk · 08/03/2021 22:13

Going too.far - fine should be.enough.Expulsion should be for things like shouting down speakers and breaking up meetings.

Tessabelle74 · 08/03/2021 23:24

Totally fair, they broke the law and are now paying the price

ddl1 · 08/03/2021 23:24

No, of course not! One of those people who was washing their shopping!

Did wipe it down; never disinfected it. But was always careful about social distancing.

I was chronically ill for many years when I was young and thank God I am in much better health now; but one of the MOST CENTRAL ISSUES OF MY EXISTENCE is my TERROR of going back to that time. I am not nearly as afraid of dying as I am of getting long Covid and never getting my health back again. Or of inflicting the same on others.

Taking necessary risks in order to survive economically is one thing; but to risk sacrificing my own health and that of others for a fucking PARTY???? NO WAY!!!!

ddl1 · 08/03/2021 23:32

Remember being that age?

All too well. I was chronically ill for years then, and had a parent who was even more clinically vulnerable, and was by a bloody miracle plus medical advances plus my own efforts able to get through my university course, get a good degree, and pursue a career reasonably successfully. It wasn't at ALL clear for a long time whether I'd be healthy enough to manage to survive economically even if I did get my degree. Thank fuck I've managed it. And I would never risk losing what I gained just so that I or someone else could have an illegal fucking PARTY!

Not every student, let alone every one of their neighbours, lecturers or domestic and security staff, is medically invulnerable!