Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

Meant genetic heritage not relevant - just behaviour

If they didn’t want the spectacle which she seems very derisory about, why invite lots and lots of celebrities who she either hardly knew or had never met before? Why not have a quiet, intimate ceremony with best friends and family? I’m sure no one in the RF would have minded. It would have saved a lot of money. She didn’t need to have the carriage ride or the air fresheners etc. It was their choice. No one forced them to have a huge public spectacle if they didn’t want it. Why not actually invite family instead of a load of A listers?

Puzzledandpissedoff
I think the newspapers need to do a little ‘reminder’ article of Harry’s racist past

Wait ... 
I really hope one of them has the balls to re-print those photos. On the front page.

I hope this happens too. Too good to miss.

@Lauren15

I think the secret wedding thing was to imply that they didn’t really want a big wedding as many people bring up the cost.

No I think it was to show they wanted privacy together. Totally get it and yes v sweet. But no need to present it as a prison wedding.

She knew she was marrying a public figure. Who was loved by his country.

This thread is unspeakably vile. Just pages of "I hate Meghan so I'm going to dismiss every word out of her mouth as lies, on no basis except my hatred, and anyone who disagrees with me is a liar and a troll or paid bot."

So many lies! If Meghan's so evil why do you need to make up so many lies about her?

There's no a single doubt in my mind that Meghan was bullied and gaslighted and that Harry's claims of racism are true. I believe one of the senior royals did say that about Archie and that they did say they'd change the rules so Archie couldn't become prince after the Queen dies because they don't want a mixed race prince.

My prediction: Harry and Meghan will become respected media figures in a mostly behind the scenes capacity, and will travel the world giving happy clappy talks which their fans will eat up. They'll be less famous and the British press will mostly ignore them and occasionally slag them off but they'll be happy.

After the Queen dies loads of dirt will come out and royal popularity will plummet. More details of how the royal family controls the press and how they leak stories about each other will come out.

William's affair with Rose Hanbury will be exposed and the steps the palace took to keep it out of the press will come out.

William and Kate will divorce, when Kate realizes she's been groomed since birth to be the Stepford wife of a man who doesn't love her or value her.

William will continue to exploit his children in the press for good PR.

When the Cambridge children get older the tabloids will start demonizing Charlotte and scrutinizing her clothes, her body and her love life. This will lead to widespread condemnation and a recognition of generational patterns and how the Palace cooperate with the press.

Charles and William will increasingly be at war and this will damage both of them.

Charles will not be a beloved king.

William will never be king.

I thought he told her she should stay at home and she insisted on going because she didn’t want to be alone?

That is what she said, but personally I think he should have stayed home to avoid her being alone, not had her go with him. Obviously he may have suggested this and she insisted, but really, he should have insisted harder. She was suicidal and said she couldn’t be left alone, at no point should the solution to what to do that evening be her putting on a gown, being photographed and having to smile all evening.

Wondermule
But how on earth would you enforce that? A lot of the time the ‘shaming’ is very subtle, they don’t use overt insults, just things they know will provoke public reaction like unflattering photos etc.

You would have to very clearly define the boundaries and whatever they were, the press would write so they jusssst fell short of it.

I’m not disagreeing with the premise, I just think it would be impossible to do.

Easy, by people speaking up.

That goes back to the original point of your post.

You said Meghan should have followed Kate and kept a "dignified silence".

Nothing every gets changed by keeping silent.

I find too many of the claims to be uncredible and without context.

They were clearly unhappy but:

1. Meghan 'lost' passport? Unlikely.
2. Meghan nearly lost her name. Eh?
3. Meghan was denied access to MH treatment by HR manager. Why didn't she go to her doctor? And yet she flew to New York for a baby shower. (See also 1. Meghan lost passport).
4. M&H married three days before actual wedding - already clarified as untrue.
5. Member of RF is racist. Apart from the shock horror element of this (what with Harry's Nazi uniform, etc), there was no context given. We are left to make our own assumptions, including who it is. Meghan didn't follow up the conversation, and heard it second hand, yet told Oprah that her assumption that this would be a problem was probably correct. How does Meghan know if she didn't follow it up?
6. Archie wasn't given a title because of his skin colour. Charles announced in November 2019 that he would slim down the monarchy. This was in direct response to the Andrew possibly being a criminal debacle. He made it clear that he wanted H&M to be part of this slimmed down monarchy. My guess is, Archie would have been made a Prince. But him not having the automatic right, enables Charles to get rid of some highly criticised, expensive working royals. Ergo Charles can't win. Perhaps, just possibly, hothead Harry spectacularly misinterpreted his intentions? The King of Sweden had recently done the same, and it wasn't personal.

I'm wondering how she flew to New York for her baby shower if she had to hand over her passport after she was married?

[quote redspecial]@PicsInRed oh grow up. its an old joke. Di didn't meet JH till after H was born. [/quote]
No doubt Harry had been having a good belly laugh over many years.

@teentipans

She said she learned to curtesy from Fergie.

That's not the same as not being told by Harry.

She was told by Harry when they were in the car on the way to see the Queen. I understood that it was an impromptu visit, and Harry hadn't told her about curtsying in private before that as it hadn't come up

(Have I just defended Harry? 😳)

I think we are getting to a dangerous point where one cannot call out something wrong done by a black person

Indeee, as displayed on this thread people think saying a black woman is "vile", the vileness being ENTIRELY unrelated to her skin colour, is still racist.

What I've been alarmed to see from many claiming the world is riddled with 'Karen's' are apparently women falsely accusing black men of rape in their droves. This is SO unhelpful to the plight of rape victims everywhere who already have not only a near impossible chance of conviction but countless victim blaming barriers to navigate. As a white woman who WAS raped by a mixed race man, I am utterly offended and disgusted that these days the assumption would be I'm a liar and a racist

@minou123

Wondermule But how on earth would you enforce that? A lot of the time the ‘shaming’ is very subtle, they don’t use overt insults, just things they know will provoke public reaction like unflattering photos etc.

You would have to very clearly define the boundaries and whatever they were, the press would write so they jusssst fell short of it.

I’m not disagreeing with the premise, I just think it would be impossible to do.

Easy, by people speaking up.

That goes back to the original point of your post.

You said Meghan should have followed Kate and kept a "dignified silence".

Nothing every gets changed by keeping silent.

Okay, so say a petition against press nastiness somehow reaches 10 million signatures. The newspapers say ‘we promise not to be nasty again’. It would just creep back in. The only permanent option would be legislating against it, which would mean further press restrictions which are never popular. What you suggest is morally correct but unenforceable.

I find too many of the claims to be uncredible and without context.

Indeed. Like I said earlier it al feels very boy who croed wolf and it's not surprising that many posters doubt what both of them are saying as they have been proven to lie so easily in the past.

The claims of racism might be credible but all those stupid little lies they have told and had disproven just make many leap to the conclusion it's another lie.

@FlyingByTheSeatof

Meghan ultimately is a woman struggling with her mental health in a situation that was too much for her and just wants to explain herself and her situation as she sees it as she is constantly in the media no matter what.

I did support her, I don't any more. I think she's putting herself out there far too much which in turn creates more media attention which in turn will cause more MH issues.

I think Piers Morgan needs to back off completely because he is one of the main reasons she is discussed negatively by the media and then by the rest of the population.

It disgusts me that ITV have allowed Piers behaviour and that viewers see his revolting opinions and bullying on a daily basis. I mean urgh it sets a bad example. It makes me cringe. Obvs I watch BBC now but when I pop over to itv I can't believe he's still so vile to people. It's embarrassing and I'd hate my DC to ever watch him and think that's an ok way to speak to people.

And re the colour of Archie's skin tone. I think everyone would have wondered that at some point, why wouldn't you.

I think it's telling that Peirs Morgan literally keeps repeating they shouldn't have done it because the HRH is 94yo and Prince Philip is 99yo and in hospital.

That's the crappest defence ever!

@Laiste

The whole 'just like Diana' theme doesn't work without the neglectful husband though does it really? Diana was just out of her teens and had no allies.

I feel like we're being asked to accept a narrative that just doesn't work properly when it comes to Meghan at this point.

How could she be struggling all the way to the point of feeling suicidal without Harry stepping in? Given his obvious love, devotion to her and knowledge of mental health issues, how (and by whom?) was she ''refused'' help

Exactly. She's no Diana and unlike Diana she's not a victim.

@OhforaRainyDay

This thread is unspeakably vile. Just pages of "I hate Meghan so I'm going to dismiss every word out of her mouth as lies, on no basis except my hatred, and anyone who disagrees with me is a liar and a troll or paid bot."

So many lies! If Meghan's so evil why do you need to make up so many lies about her?

There's no a single doubt in my mind that Meghan was bullied and gaslighted and that Harry's claims of racism are true. I believe one of the senior royals did say that about Archie and that they did say they'd change the rules so Archie couldn't become prince after the Queen dies because they don't want a mixed race prince.

My prediction: Harry and Meghan will become respected media figures in a mostly behind the scenes capacity, and will travel the world giving happy clappy talks which their fans will eat up. They'll be less famous and the British press will mostly ignore them and occasionally slag them off but they'll be happy.

After the Queen dies loads of dirt will come out and royal popularity will plummet. More details of how the royal family controls the press and how they leak stories about each other will come out.

William's affair with Rose Hanbury will be exposed and the steps the palace took to keep it out of the press will come out.

William and Kate will divorce, when Kate realizes she's been groomed since birth to be the Stepford wife of a man who doesn't love her or value her.

William will continue to exploit his children in the press for good PR.

When the Cambridge children get older the tabloids will start demonizing Charlotte and scrutinizing her clothes, her body and her love life. This will lead to widespread condemnation and a recognition of generational patterns and how the Palace cooperate with the press.

Charles and William will increasingly be at war and this will damage both of them.

Charles will not be a beloved king.

William will never be king.

This.

(Also, I hope Kate gets custody of the kids, a fair financial settlement, and keeps her security.)

I don’t think it’s as simple as people saying Meghan lied.

Obviously saying they got married three days before hand is erroneous. Legally they got married the day it was televised. But maybe she used the wrong words.

And obviously both her and Harry were confused on what was said when about the skin tone issue with the child. She thinks when she was pregnant,and him before they were even married. They seem a bit confused on that score.

One thing that does occur to me,is they have not named the person who said it. But they still can.

So someone, has something being held over them, I suspect it’s William. He’s not going to want that to come out if it was him. There’s no way to make it look good. And Meghan and Harry could pull that little trigger anytime they want. Now Harry won’t ever . But I’d not bet money on lifetime anonymity being granted by Meghan.

They knew exactly what they were doing when they told everyone. Along with the little threat that it would be too damaging for them to say who it was. Harry said he’d never say, Meghan I don’t think gave any such guarantee.

@Pomegranatespompom

Just saw a clip on breakfast that- thought Oprah looked sceptical rather than sympathetic.

I watched it last night and can't remember it all, but there was one comment Meghan made, she referred to something that is commonly known here on MN M&H threads. Oprah's reaction was OTT surprise. I thought she hadn't done much research if she hadn't heard that!

This post would be much more interesting if I could remember specifically what they were talking about, 🤨

I was surprised that it was Charles that got the brunt of the savaging. I recall around the time of the Bradby interview Charles seemed to be the only one that they had anything pleasant to say about.

I did hear a rumour around that time though that they were being pleasant to Charles as he was holding the purse strings and needed to be kept on side.

Charles has obviously since stopped Harry's pocket money and so he has now also been thrown under the bus.

I think they have been quite clever in choosing their weapons - mental health and racism. If you even remotely suggest they are lying about either of these accusations you look like a massive twat (especially if like the RF you are privileged and white).

I don’t think Kate and William will ever divorce. She will become queen or a similar standing. She’s going no where. They will ultimately just live seperate lives but remain married because it suits them both for different reason.

I wonder does Meghan ever think 'what have I done here?'

I think there may well be a strong element of this from both of them. It seems like they have felt very hurt and hard done by which I think is incredibly common in families, with sibling rivalry and competition between incoming partners, jostling for position, perceiving that you and your partner/kids are being slighted while your golden child sibling can do no wrong (and which must be magnified a million times in the RF.)

But instead of doing what they said they were going to and taking a step back and (wisely) removing themselves from the drama, they decided to escalate it and expected the wider world to share their woe at how unfair and cruel it all was. To the rest of us, dealing with real poverty (not the 'I had to dip into my inheritance' kind) and decimated opportunities in the wake of a global pandemic it just seems self-absorbed. But now they've started this they can only dig in and double down, hinting that it's much worse than they're saying, because otherwise they must know how badly it'll read in the real world.

As to the tabloid press, the nastiness is the USP, not some sort of unfortunate and little known aspect of their MO. And that I'm afraid is a reflection of one aspect of human nature, as any time on these boards will confirm. We should always fight to get the worst aspects outlawed or shamed (the likes of up-skirting for example) but they are just another iteration of the penny dreadfuls

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

I think we are getting to a dangerous point where one cannot call out something wrong done by a black person

Indeee, as displayed on this thread people think saying a black woman is "vile", the vileness being ENTIRELY unrelated to her skin colour, is still racist.

What I've been alarmed to see from many claiming the world is riddled with 'Karen's' are apparently women falsely accusing black men of rape in their droves. This is SO unhelpful to the plight of rape victims everywhere who already have not only a near impossible chance of conviction but countless victim blaming barriers to navigate. As a white woman who WAS raped by a mixed race man, I am utterly offended and disgusted that these days the assumption would be I'm a liar and a racist

You're concerned that people supporting Megan Markle is going to make it more difficult to white women to accuse/report black men of rape.

Not that a black woman was actually almost driven to suicide, no, but that those speaking up in her support and defence may cause a theoretical impediment to the Word of white women.

Is that the jist?

@CaveyWavey

I'm wondering how she flew to New York for her baby shower if she had to hand over her passport after she was married?

One of those things like having a secret wedding 3 days before your official wedding perhaps?