Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

'Indeed, and in doing this interview they are feeding the media beast they purport to despise so much. The Oprah interview is only the catalyst for more media stories, more speculation, more lies, more innuendo'

I know! It is extraordinary that no one in the msm is saying this. How can they chuck these wild accusations around?! how can they breach everyone's else's privacy but wang on at length when it is done to them. Thomas Markle's sad face interviews on GMB obviously inspired them 🙄.

If they truly are afraid for Archie’s safety and crave privacy, if the flashbulbs really do traumatise H as he claims, doing a high profile interview like this will surely increase their stress. I wouldn’t have thought any shots of their house would be a good idea either...
Also how many toddlers not yet two are desperate to keep chickens and ask for a waffle maker for Xmas?

So they were lying about the private wedding? I guess they changed their mind about that story when they realised it made us plebs realise how they despise us

Or perhaps because the story was so easily busted?
Though I'd have thought that would be obvious, in which case why say it at all?

@BootsieBarnes

Looking into my tea leaves I think it will play out like this:

Media storm continues for a few weeks (now Trump circus is dying down).

Meghan will give birth and they will sell pictures and stories.

Prince Philip will pass at some point and we as a nation will go into a nostalgic outpouring about the the Queen, their marriage, stability and what they did over the years. The Queen will become beloved again, big outpouring of support for her.

Ghislaine Maxwell trial will happen in US, reopening Prince Andrew issue. Charles will take over from Queen and removes Andrew's financial support. Andrew moves to Scotland to escape media glare.

Investigation into bullying accusations by Meghan against Palace staff will tick away in the background. When timing considered correct, accusations and possibly evidence will be leaked into press which will paint MM in the same light as Ellen DeGeneres. This will dent the 'woke' image they are carefully crafting with Netflix/Hollywood.

Podcasts on Spotify and Netflix docs will slowly start to fade away as interest dies down. It will become evident they have nothing left to sell. Big studios will disassociate themselves if bullying accusations stick.

Charles and Camilla becomes shortest reigning couple on the throne. William and Kate take over fairly quickly. Public falls in love with royal teenagers George, Charlotte and Louis and the circus goes on.

Yep. This is a storm in a teacup.

@VanillaIce

Isn’t today the start of the trial of the police officers accused of murdering George Floyd?

No wonder Americans are enjoying pointing the finger at another country’s race relations.

The US has a massive racism problem, it is absolutely endemic in their society.

Good point.

randomer
The Duchess of Kent was teaching music in Hull beneath the radar.

She was not a senior royal (though well known enough at one point through Wimbledon) and at a totally different stage in life but I still think it was testament to her that she just slipped out of the public eye and into a hands-on, socially useful role.

Harry is looking bad now isn't he? Making her glam up for a public function when she was feeling so awful?
Wtf is wrong with the Royal family? Especially the men.
The whole thing, everything, is such a mess with the Royals sometimes!
Bootsie is right though ; a lot of that will happen and it'll be George and co who'll be the next ones in the media spotlights ( poor kids) !

@Graciebobcat

Nobody is going to stop buying the red tops because they were mean to someone

Who the hell is buying them, I often wonder? I'm 45 years old and I've hardly ever bought a newspaper in my life.

No idea but people are!

Yes I find it amazing Harry is able to accuse others of racism, he’s the worst of the bunch. It infuriates me how he is never challenged about his own blatant racism.

As for Meghan, why would somebody so against racism want to be with a man with Harry’s racist past? How can she oversee overt racism in her own husband but find the racism of others intolerable?

The things I find impossible to believe are:

• Archie was not allowed to be a prince because before he'd been born someone said he might have dark skin.

Reality: A law from 100 years ago prevents a person in his position re succession from being titled 'prince' until his grandfather has become king.

And when asked about the dark skin speculation, while M said it was during her pregnancy, H told Oprah it was way back, when he first met M. So they don't even have their stories straight (well, basically H tells the truth and M twists and fabricates for max effect, as perfectly examples here).

• M was suicidal and nobody helped (she just got a hug from H).

Maybe she just felt bad because was in England over winter with no light! We all feel bad!!!

She had to be watched all the time. She thought everybody would be better without her.

Words fail me. For someone so full of herself, I honestly cannot believe this.

I think she just couldn't believe she was in a set-up where she didn't always get what she wanted.

• M had no idea what being in the Royal family would be like and had never researched it.

Hmm. Never once between the two of them had a chat about it? Never thought about it? Bounced blithely and innocently in, a lamb to the slaughter?

It just doesn't make emotional sense.

Any of it.

What does make sense is that she couldn't cope with bad press and being called on various things. So has used a mix of general insinuation and actual falsehood to wrench sympathy back round on to her side,

I'm not sorry for her. An idiot could see it would be tricky. And she's not thick. Far from it. And she's now beyond rich and influential, and also has a beautiful family and home and life and is pregnant. What, really what, is there to feel sorry for her over?

I'm happy for them both, and hope now they'll live their happy life graciously and without hurting others. They've really deeply hurt both their families.

@puzzledandpissedoff Fair enough. A shame for Charles not to see two out of five grandchildren but if Meghan won't allow it theres nothing he can do about it. Must be odd for Archie and the new baby in 20 or 30 years knowing the Grandfather or Uncle they have never met and their parents do not want them speaking to is on the throne. Then again maybe they may see their family as the people they grew up with and have no interest in strangers who share a bit of DNA.

Oprah is loyal to no one. Look at how she pandered to Michael Jackson and gave him a platform to discredit the claims of children who had been sexually abused. Then she threw him under the bus after he died.

Wouldn't surprise me if she does the same to Meghan if the bullying accusations are proved to be true and does an exclusive with her family.

No one comes out of this looking good.

New clip released today, allegedly the Queen snubbed Harry and he says it was racism that drove them out of the UK...

Very interesting prediction @BootsieBarnes. I can imagine the furore over George's wedding, will wild estranged uncle Harry be invited?!.

'Oprah might aswell have laid back and allowed them to tickle her belly, she allowed way too many vague answers to go unchallenged.'

Yes I said upthread, like a start struck sycophant. 'Nothing off limits' my arse.

Would people here prefer that they clarify it was Charles?

Or worse, that it was "nice guy" (🤣) Will?

Because it's certainly one of them, and it's a total grenade either way

Absolutely yes. Vague talk is a very damaging to every single one of them, at least when it's know who it was the rest can move on. Of course an accusation where someone is named needs to be proved, so it won't happen.

I think it’s clear it’s Charles or William who asked the potential colour of any child’s skin tone and how it would impact the monarchy . However it appears there is confusion on when that was commented, on, with Harry saying before they married and Meghan saying when she was pregnant.

The latter is more inflammatory, because the former, is more a wider theoretical discussion, they weren’t married there were no kids. It could still be racist though obvs.

I watched Charles with doria at the wedding,obviously he didn’t come across as racist or like she thought he was. I don’t understand if Meghan thinks that of him, why she’d happily let her mother be with a racist.

Which leads me to it was William who said it. There has been rumours circulating William wasn’t happy about the speed with which it was moving with Meghan and there was clearly a rift developing there before the wedding. William is also rumoured to be insufferably stuffy. So my moneys on it was him.

@OliviaBean

Oprah might aswell have laid back and allowed them to tickle her belly, she allowed way too many vague answers to go unchallenged.

I don't buy the no help story at all. They could organise a baby shower in NYC but couldn't find a therapist, really.

Harry isn't exactly protecting her now is he, she felt suicidal on her first pregnancy yet now that she's pregnant again, it's a good idea to literally go to war with the alleged bullies and racists.

I'm trying to see logic with them but I just can't see much of it.

As to Oprah, I wondered if her overtly softly softly approach was a deliberate strategy of setting them up to look like self-indulgent idiots with a tenious grip on reality and the truth, knowing how much their interview was going to be dissected as it is here. Gave them enough rope to hang themselves kind of thing. Or maybe she just couldnt be arsed at this stage of her life/career doing anything but sit back, drink the tea, and listen to them drone on in that cringey self-help speak.

I thought some of the more "explosive" accusations were a bit vague. So not able to be contradicted. Other than that they had the opportunity to live an extraordinary comfortable life style whilst working for charities or causes they cared about with in the context of the RF which I reckon gives a huge platform .

Making lots of money Hollywood style and doing philanthropy when you want to - I am not sure is the same . But what they want so good luck to them - it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Personally I think the newspapers need to do a little ‘reminder’ article of Harry’s racist past, just to remind him that he partakes in the sort of behaviour that he said made him leave the country... I doubt the Americans will remember it, so it might come as a shock to them 😂😂

Of course an accusation where someone is named needs to be proved, so it won't happen.

Indeed. The minute they name names the claimscan be proven or disproven very quickly. It doesn't suit the narrative to say who it is as that stops everyone talking about it, speculating and continuing to give them attention.

Wondermule
Well, how do you propose to stop them? Nobody is going to stop buying the red tops because they were mean to someone. In fact it throws paraffin onto the flames - I bet the newspapers will sell more copies today because of the Oprah thing.

Short of restricting freedom of the press to stop them writing nasty things about the royals (dodgy path to go down), what can we do?

Liverpool managed it. The Sun newspaper is not sold in Liverpool because of the lies they printed about the Hillsborough disaster.

The gutter press used to print Page 3 topless models. They even did a "countdown" to a girls 16th birthday, so they could legally print a picture of her topless.
What did we do? A campaign was stared to stop this. And it worked.

Is anyone complaining about "freedom of the press"?

I'm old and I can remember Diana falling down some stairs when she was pregnant. It all came out years later of course.
I must admit, the Diana and Charles stories I didn't get too caught up in at the time. I did watch the Diane interview , but the other things did go a bit whoosh at the time. No Internet in those days either.
However, a few things that have come out today do feel similar to how Diane was treated:(. I still feel it's sad.
The Royal women always seem to have a bad time of it. A family to keep away from.

@minou123

Wondermule Well, how do you propose to stop them? Nobody is going to stop buying the red tops because they were mean to someone. In fact it throws paraffin onto the flames - I bet the newspapers will sell more copies today because of the Oprah thing.

Short of restricting freedom of the press to stop them writing nasty things about the royals (dodgy path to go down), what can we do?

Liverpool managed it. The Sun newspaper is not sold in Liverpool because of the lies they printed about the Hillsborough disaster.

The gutter press used to print Page 3 topless models. They even did a "countdown" to a girls 16th birthday, so they could legally print a picture of her topless.
What did we do? A campaign was stared to stop this. And it worked.

Is anyone complaining about "freedom of the press"?

What would the campaign be though? No mean articles about the royals? You won’t get widespread support for that, not now, not ever.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

If they truly are afraid for Archie’s safety and crave privacy, if the flashbulbs really do traumatise H as he claims, doing a high profile interview like this will surely increase their stress. I wouldn’t have thought any shots of their house would be a good idea either... Also how many toddlers not yet two are desperate to keep chickens and ask for a waffle maker for Xmas?

The very special kind that only this special pair could produce 🙄