Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

@Snog

Why did they get married twice? What was the reason for the secret first wedding?

They didn’t. They got married once, during the ceremony.

Meghan was lying when she claimed they got married three days before. What happened was a private rehearsal of their views. H&M’s spokespeople have now ‘clarified’ this to the BBC.

So what else was she lying about?

@Laiste

they managed to smuggle the Archbishop of Canterbury into the back garden three days before their wedding.

Rolled up in a large rug?

Just proves that even at that level of fame, if you want to keep something secret, you can!

@MissFlite

IMO the most shocking and damaging thing for the RF (apart from the comments about Archie) is the allegation that they blocked her from getting help for her mental state.

If true, this is awful.

However, I do find it very hard to believe that they couldn't get a private therapist to their house discreetly, given that they managed to smuggle the Archbishop of Canterbury into the back garden three days before their wedding.

She was maintaining a full Californian PR staff during that time, wasn’t she? Without palace permission?

They can’t literally have prevented her from accessing healthcare. So maybe it’s a more metaphorical meaning that she felt it was frowned on?

Even in the case of Diana, Charles was fetching psychiatrists up to Balmoral during their honeymoon to try to help her, so for all his faults, Charles isn’t anti-shrink.

It’s hard to piece this together.

The press seems to be strongly insinuating that the comments about Archies race were made by either Charles or William. Hugely damaging. I feel like some response is required but agree with those who say how on earth can they respond?? The accusations are very vague at this point.

@Laiste

Anyway, what ever you think, one big sad part of this is that the two boys Diana tried to raise as happy and normal as possible for royal brothers are now more or less completely estranged.

They are not close and are no support to each other at all. She must be spinning in her grave!

Yes that is terribly sad, the only other person in the world who went through alnost exactly the same kind of things in this strange and very public life they have led in this very small immediate family and to lose that....it would be different if they had never been close in the first place but it seems that they were, and Catherine too and now this. What a shame

I agree with this. And I don’t think it’s paints Harry in a very good light either. His wife tells him she’s suicidal and that she needs help, if it were my wife the palace staff/whoever was denying this help would have had to physically stand in front of my car as I drove her to get help. She was suicidal, if staff denied her help then that’s awful and she probably wasn’t in a position to fight for it herself. But Harry was, and should have. And should definitely have cancelled them going to the royal Albert hall later that day ffs. If she’d posted on mn she’d have been told her in laws are awful but that she also has a DH problem.

She may have felt too scared and untrusting of a therapist keeping confidences. Was her phone monitored at some point? She would not even have been able to post on MN!

But I agree I thought all along that Harry should have had her back more and sooner.

@ShallowCoastalWaters

The press seems to be strongly insinuating that the comments about Archies race were made by either Charles or William. Hugely damaging. I feel like some response is required but agree with those who say how on earth can they respond?? The accusations are very vague at this point.

Exactly. They were 100% left deliberately vague so they knew no one could respond. Imagine being a member of the royal family and knowing you never said anything of the sort but everyone was strongly insinuating you did. Even if they were able to later disprove their involvement sadly mud sticks and people will always think they were to blame as there is no smoke without fire.

They’ve done to Kate, William and Charles exactly what Meghan said was done to her. Stories unchallenged, accusations she couldn’t defend herself against. Now she does it to them.

The whole 'just like Diana' theme doesn't work without the neglectful husband though does it really? Diana was just out of her teens and had no allies.

I feel like we're being asked to accept a narrative that just doesn't work properly when it comes to Meghan at this point.

How could she be struggling all the way to the point of feeling suicidal without Harry stepping in? Given his obvious love, devotion to her and knowledge of mental health issues, how (and by whom?) was she ''refused'' help

If it wasn't Charles or William who made those comments then surely Harry must have to come out and say so? Even if there is animosity there, he can't just throw his dad or brother under the bus for something they never said? Right?! Or maybe this family is even more dysfunctional than I thought!

@ShallowCoastalWaters

The Kate thing was massive passive aggression, 'oh but she apologised and owned it and sent flowers' - the only reason that was brought up was to an attempt to say, I am not the nasty one, she is.

She knows Kate cannot answer back.

I find the whole thing mildly sad and depressing. Before the interview, i just saw it as scandalous and gossipy but god they all coming out of it looking really awful. They have properly slagged off the UK.

It wasn't aimed at Kate, it was to point out that what was printed was incorrect or a version of events. I find that mildly disturbing.

So she lied about the pre-wedding-marriage.

And Harry, that well known mental health ambassador, dragged her out to the Royal Albert Hall just afternoon she told him she was suicidal? And despite the fact that Charles got psychiatric help for Diana and Harry is on record saying he’s had counselling HIMSELF, Meghan wasn’t allowed to access any?

Bollocks.

@8090sTv

Of course it was aimed at Kate! She had millions of examples she could’ve used, she cannily used that one to hit back at Kate knowing Kate can’t refute it or defend herself.

It’s making allegations in one breath then ‘but I don’t want to damage their reputation’ in another. It doesn’t wash.

@Alternista

So she lied about the pre-wedding-marriage.

And Harry, that well known mental health ambassador, dragged her out to the Royal Albert Hall just afternoon she told him she was suicidal? And despite the fact that Charles got psychiatric help for Diana and Harry is on record saying he’s had counselling HIMSELF, Meghan wasn’t allowed to access any?

Bollocks.

They couldn’t stop her flying to the States for a million pound baby shower with her A list ‘friends’, I doubt they could stop her having weekly therapy with a reputable psychologist - I find it hard to believe they would’ve refused her this given what happened with Diana, if only because they didn’t want another ton of bad press.

The story about being denied help doesn’t add up. Harry has had therapy and apparently Charles sought a lot of help in dealing with Diana. Why would she need to ask anyone else for help? She and her husband have money and contacts.

*ShallowCoastalWaters

I think this interview is not just damaging to the RF but also damaging to US/UK relations generally.

Just looking at Twitter there is so much hostility from US media/US accounts to not just the RF but towards British culture generally.

They had a platform where they could have done so much good but they have used it to be divisive. The opposite of all their so called mission statement of changing the world with one act of compassion at a time*

This, and it is very sad.

Oprah has now said that the baby skin colour comments were not made by Liz or Phil. That much we now know. And I'm now wondering if Oprah knows who said it (despite Harry saying he would never share details) or does she just know that it wasn't Liz or Phil?

@sagaLoren

If it wasn't Charles or William who made those comments then surely Harry must have to come out and say so? Even if there is animosity there, he can't just throw his dad or brother under the bus for something they never said? Right?! Or maybe this family is even more dysfunctional than I thought!

The level of animosity he clearly feels towards them both is such that he won't clarify anything (he made a point of telling Oprah it wasn't the Queen or Philip so was willing to 'clear' his grandparents) and is seemingly happy about the speculation that one of them is racist.

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*ShallowCoastalWaters

I think this interview is not just damaging to the RF but also damaging to US/UK relations generally.

Just looking at Twitter there is so much hostility from US media/US accounts to not just the RF but towards British culture generally.

They had a platform where they could have done so much good but they have used it to be divisive. The opposite of all their so called mission statement of changing the world with one act of compassion at a time*

This, and it is very sad.*

Like the US has such a good record on race relations....🙄

Just looking at Twitter there is so much hostility from US media/US accounts to not just the RF but towards British culture generally. don't rely on twitter for anything, its full of paid bots and PR fake accounts and mass posting nonsense.

I get the vibe from her that unless it's 100% all in, that she gets exactly what she wants, exactly when and how she wants it and with no nuance or discussion, she chooses to interpret this as being completely denied something, being held prisoner virtually. I can totally imagine a scenario where she wanted to go to do X activity or event and where there was a bit of perfectly normal back and forth about how that would be arranged, how it would look, how much it would cost, but with M interpreting that as her being bullied or denied her rights or some such bollox. With no tact, no sense of her place in a wider context of duty, responsibility, optics and other boring stuff like that.

Isn’t today the start of the trial of the police officers accused of murdering George Floyd?

No wonder Americans are enjoying pointing the finger at another country’s race relations.

The US has a massive racism problem, it is absolutely endemic in their society.

Wondermule
I think people are forgetting the rough time everyone gave Kate before Meghan came along. The snobby headlines about her mum being an air stewardess, ‘Waity Katey’, she’s just waiting around for William, her dodgy uncle, the photos of her as a student in underwear at the fashion shoot, long lens topless pics, I could go on.

The difference is Kate seems to understand that this is a pitfall of the job, that the media go through a phase of savaging every new member of the RF (Camilla, Fergie, Beatrice’s new husband because he has a child from previous marriage etc).

If Meghan had just held a dignified silence and showed willing by doing some ‘boring’ engagements like visiting community centres and old people’s homes, I really think it would’ve blown over within a year or two.

I think we can all agree Kate got shot from the press. So did Meghan. So do all the women who join the Royal family.

The gutter, tabloid press have said and done the most disgusting, vile, sexist, fat/thin shaming, mother shaming, bullying and lies about these women.

But instead of standing up and trying to stop this, you think women should be silent.

Fuck that!

Kate is entitled to stay silent. But, I for one am applauding Meghan for speaking out about this.

We live in a country were we think its acceptable for some of press to treat women this way, and women should keep quiet. And you've bought this. Hook, line, sinker.