Does anyone else think that the Harry & Meghan show isn't going to be that explosive?

[HelloThereMeHearties]

I really doubt that loads of dirt will be raked, or muck spread. I'm guessing that there will be a few "it was hard to speak" type complaints, which the media will blow up, but that it's not actually going to be as exciting as we're all being led to believe?

@Pellewsmate

Kate had given birth just 26 days before Harry and Meghan's wedding. Maybe she wasn't feeling great, maybe she snapped, maybe she was upset that Meghan hadn't asked her "how she was doing".

Exactly. It is well known that Kate has difficult pregnancies. Even allowing for a nanny, she could still have felt tired, emotional and have the added stress of having to get her figure back and look fabulous in a matter of days for the wedding.

Lies (M made Kate cry, The Queen was 'Blindsided' by them moving) came from the Palace and the media went with them, H&M go t no support at all. Why should any adult, especially one who was having racist shit thrown at her, stand back and say nothing?
This👍, Believe me I am going to war and if it results in mutual destruction then do be it. Stories were leaked by the Palace deliberately to hide other stories (Epstein & Andrew, William's "friendships"). Speculation about my child's skin colour? I will destroy you!
M&H had no other choice but to set the record straight.

It’s all very aimed at an American audience who will largely take her comments at face value, with no understanding of the the royal institution and associated protocol. And even less understanding of the very valid reasons for this protocol.

@LizzieSiddal

I heard an historian yesterday say that after WW2, every European Monarchy downsized, got rid of many palaces, land etc, every one except the UK. He said the UK Monarchy as it now, will not survive and if they don't change very shortly, there will be big troubles ahead for them.

You only have to look at the other thread in AIBU regarding RF (RF? yes/no?) to see how true this is.

I think the contrast between Catherine and Meghan and their approaches to their role is summed up in this quote I really like from the late Robert Hughes: "Many think that vulgarity is the opposite of snobbery, but snobbery is only a form of the vulgar. The real opposite of vulgarity is dignity."

@theleafandnotthetree

I think the contrast between Catherine and Meghan and their approaches to their role is summed up in this quote I really like from the late Robert Hughes: "Many think that vulgarity is the opposite of snobbery, but snobbery is only a form of the vulgar. The real opposite of vulgarity is dignity."

There is nothing dignified about the RF anymore and god help me if I find Kate an example of dignity. At least MM is self-made FFS.

Kate had given birth just 26 days before Harry and Meghan's wedding. Maybe she wasn't feeling great, maybe she snapped, maybe she was upset that Meghan hadn't asked her "how she was doing".'

All very true, irrelevant though to the narrative that M made K cry.

Actually she said that he said she shouldn’t go, and she said she couldn’t be left alone, so they both went.

That's exactly my point. That Harry didn't say straight away, "right, I'm cancelling it, we're both staying at home".

@ 2021ismyyear

Totally agree .

The title thing - Archie could have been Earl of Dumbarton but we now discover that this wasn’t good enough and they wanted to be a prince .
I do think that Meg simply didn’t accept that she and Haz are lower ranked than W and K .

@Bluntness100

I think the fatal blow was struck to Harry's relationship with his family

I agree with this, the monarchy will recover. This will be old news soon enough, the monarchy always recovers. It is a storm in a teacup for them. But not for the family relationships. That’s over.

But if they can get through this without addressing the claims, whether true or false, doesn’t that worry you a little? That they’re beyond reproach and see the public as so insignificant they don’t have to answer for allegedly very bad behaviour? They can just carry on like nothing has happened?

Haven't RTFT but on the subject of titles and protection,I know Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips don't have titles (Princess Anne 's decision, I believe), but they are still the Queen 's grandchildren and just as likely to have been threatened I would have thought. Having seen Zara wandering around on her own at horse events she just acts like everyone else.

@DinoHat

Surely all this has a limited lifespan too? I get the impression they are trying to raise funds to fund their luxury lifestyle but they’ve cut their ties now. No new material, they’ll never get the same price tag to rehash it again. Meghan is too famous to be taken seriously in an acting role.

They didn’t get paid for Oprah!

@MissFlite

Just read that during her interview MM compares herself to Ariel in The Little Mermaid, because she 'married a prince and lost her voice'.

I think I might have to watch after all.

JFC 🤣

Harry has married a woman just like his mother (the self proclaimed Princess of Hearts 🥴). This is not going to end well.

Looking forward to the Oprah divorce interview

Harry has married a woman just like his mother

He's evidently married someone with all of Diana's faults, and none of her virtues. Whereas William married someone with many of his mother's virtues - and few of her faults.

@MissFlite

Sorry, the Little Mermaid 'fell in love with a prince and lost her voice'.

Or to put it another way, she took an arcane form of a public civil role and was not permitted to speak to the media exactly as she liked.

In my sector, if I took a job, and said, "Great, I'll go and talk to my sector's equivalent of Oprah," my new employers would be well within their rights to say, "No, you represent us now, this is how we engage with the media." Now if she was given assurances that she'd be represented fairly, defended etc and then they went back on that, and contributed to manufactured lies etc, she has grounds for fair complaint. Indeed, they undoubtedly do have some grounds for complaint. I just simply don't believe that their 100% innocent and blameless narrative could be true.

(Also, what was she supposed to be talking about at that point? None of the things she spoke about in the interview had happened.)

The Royal Family comes across as mean and spiteful, Piers Morgan's stance on this is doing no favours at all. All of this reeks of arrogant White entitlement.

A witch hunt against against a pregnant PoC who's had a miscarriage and suicidal thoughts yet people are relentless in their hatred. You don't have to like her of course but the levels of hate are shocking.

What has she actually done, to warrant so many MN posts, so very many press column inches?

It's disgusting. A reminder of the slyness of racists. If she lost her baby or some nutter killed her, incited by all the hate, there'd be inner glee and outer faux sympathy.

People who didn't even think about or mention the royal family previously, are now talking. Good. This looks rotten to the core and they, and entitled 'keep it White' Brits, may be in for a shock

@buzzybeesliveintrees

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That he was. His book The Culture of Complaint was written in 1993 but was entirely prescient in terms of todays narcassistic culture. And highly entertaining. I'd recommend if you haven't read it.

I tbink has made it clear to me that the Royal Family have not changed or modernised. It is a toxic institution and is badly in need of reform. I suggest the Dutch Royal Family as a model. I will not be sad to see the back of them now.

I wish Meghan and Harry all the best for their life in the US away from toxic brexit Brittania.

@BeforetheFlood

In his cringey interview with Corden Harry said they had watched The Crown, and I wonder how much that influenced their decision making here.

It seems they really see Meghan as the Diana figure, and want to slot her into that role as the innocent, doe-eyed girl who is crushed by the ruthless demands of protocol and British stiff upper lip. They will be aware of the swell of public sympathy for Diana in the wake of the last series, and the condemnation of Charles.

Except Diana was a 19 year old kid who had no idea what she was getting into. She'd had a sheltered upbringing, wasn't that bright, didn't have the benefit the internet and she was pretty much absorbed into the family without any outside support. Meghan is a thirty something professional, independent woman who has held her own in one of the most competitive, ruthless, cut-throat industries imaginable. She's been married before. She has the entire internet at her disposal to research stuff like royal etiquette, has her own large reserves of wealth and access to the very best and most expensive professional support. The comparison is ridiculous.

I think it's also pretty relevant to remember that she's an actress.

This post sums it up for me.

@buzzybeesliveintrees

Harry has married a woman just like his mother

He's evidently married someone with all of Diana's faults, and none of her virtues. Whereas William married someone with many of his mother's virtues - and few of her faults.

This is spot on!!

As an aside, the photo of the family looking at the baby when he was a couple of days old is beautiful. As is the photo of Harry and Meghan under the umbrella just before they left England.
Do American citizens have to curtsey to the senior royals? I don't remember if Irish heads of state do. I suppose if I was going to meet the Queen I'd check it out. My dh once shook hands with Prince Michael of Kent, but nobody bowed.

He's evidently married someone with all of Diana's faults, and none of her virtues. Whereas William married someone with many of his mother's virtues - and few of her faults.

why the need to pit them against each other?