Anyone in the US? Did you watch the Meghan interview?

[Tankflybosswalkjam]

Apparently it’s already been broadcast!

@VladmirsPoutine

Time will tell! There will be a lot of pain to go through before they know

She says before she lights the candles on the floor, dances around her living room sprinkling salt and dousing the sofa in essential oils then slowly covering her body in her black bathrobe while kneeling by the candles, blowing them out one by one each with an intentional breath as she slowly chants Harry's birth name "Henry" and Meghan's birth name "Rachel" ..."Time will tell" she whispers as she slowly bends into the fetal on the floor.

@MrsTabithaTwitchit

You know the worst thing ; the way they are commoditising Diana’s death. The only thing he has to talk about is his grief, now he is receiving thousands of pounds via after dinner speaking, podcasts etc to talk about his grief .

He wasn’t the only person to lose someone that day , what about her mother , her siblings, and yes her other son. They all lost her too.

I notice the Spencer’s aren’t coming out to support them vocally, and they had no problem at his mother’s funeral in saying what they thought. The Spencer’s have been close to the Crown for 400 years , they know which way the wind blows. When the press got too much for her brother he went off to South Africa, he’s said some critical things over the years but never about William or Harry, there’s no way he would damage to chances of a Spencer being King.

this winds me up as well , whenever haz as hes now known wants to play for sympathy he starts going on about the untimely death of his mother AGAIN ! its tasteless and unbelievbly tacky , esp the everytime a camera goes off it takes me back comment , we can only presume that if hes getting paid lots of money or whining for something he forgets about the cameras going off and reminding him , really really awful despicable couple , i only hope this interview finishes them and maybe anyone in doubt can see what they really are

@Coronateachingagain no problem, Sarah Ferguson was interviewed by Oprah too, of course, so Oprah will be revisiting some of these 1996 themes with MM and Harry.

Makes me wonder how such an intelligent woman as MM didn't have this perspective and insight. Maybe she thought she could change things but Sarah describes a very restrictive life.

@derxa

"Absolutely.

Part of the frustration with these threads is the constant whataboutary, using one persons poor behaviour to justify that of another's.

It's a topic that covers so many issues that people understandably feel strongly about: racism, monarchy, the press, influencers, inherited wealth/privilege etc.

However, I don't think having a strong view of one or all of these necessarily means you need to "pick a side".

I'm pretty comfortable with my position that the monarchy should be subject to (a lot) more scrutiny and transparency whilst being critical not of what H&M have done in leaving the RF but how they have gone about it.

I feel no conflict in thinking that as an allegedly favoured son that Andrew has repeatedly "escaped" the consequences of some shocking behaviour. Aside from Epstein why is there no investigation of how he's managed to build up an estimated personal fortune of £80m whilst "working" as a British Trade Ambassador?

I fully agree M got a torrid time from the press - more than even other females marrying in and that the "covert" racism was relentless.

That doesn't mean I can't think poor judgement was shown in wearing those earrings at a time when Khasoggi murder was widely being reported as being at the behest of the Saudi state (and the second time they'd actually admitted it). She was certainly aware of the poor human rights record of that nation having spent time (and photographed with) in 2016 with a leading female Saudi activist who was later arrested.

I can understand and feel supportive of why they both wanted to leave the RF but not the "cake and eat it" model they made public.

I can see they will have large expenses simply in security costs year on year. I don't want to see them hurt so I'm also ok with them using their former royal status to do deals with Netflix etc. A combined est. fortune of £40m sounds a lot but it's not going to last long if you're paying a couple of million a year in personal protection.

What I can't get past is that everything they have accomplished could have been done with less drama and more goodwill.

The famous Africa "thriving" interview. I don't think she said anything wrong but the context was poorly misjudged.

Yet here we are again - new house, financial independence, new baby, a win in the court case and they both want to poke the hornets nest again.

For the love of god why? If your brand is "building compassion around the world" then stop speaking about it and do it rather than open fresh wounds?

Yes they've been through a lot, but they are in a position of great wealth and privilege.

The rest of the world has gone to hell in the last year but they've absolutely bucked the trend in all they've achieved. Good on them.

But going on Oprah for a pity party right now is just a tone deaf move from the pair of them."
All of the above

Absolutely spot on!

Time will tell! There will be a lot of pain to go through before they know

There's madness on these threads.

I mean EVERYONE who's lived life has gone through pain AND before they knew it... so wtf ???!

vlnr77yac* - I said rumours. Not that it happened. I saw it one of the threads on here. But I should have qualified it with ‘if true’

Hopefully they both say what they would like & then get on with living their lives together.

@SophieB100

Of course Meghan knew who she was marrying. Even if she didn't quite understand the ins and outs of joining 'the firm' beforehand, this would have been explained thoroughly to her before she married him. Anyone who thinks somebody can marry the son of the heir to the throne, and not go through exhaustive procedures about what is involved, is naive.

I think, like Diana, the reality was very different from the fairy tale. Unlike Diana, Meghan was older, not from the same social class - Diana, lest we forget, was a Lady, who mixed with Royalty from a very young age. Meghan, I think, quickly realised that whilst she wanted the celebrity of being married to a Prince, the downside, the restraints, the protocol, the "duty" was too much.

Diana would have coped with all that Meghan couldn't cope with - the duty, the Royal tours, the protocol. All she wanted was to be loved, and not one part of a "threesome" marriage. I think Harry does indeed love his wife very much, and has given up a lot for her. If Diana had been loved as much by Charles as Meghan is by Harry, she would have been extremely happy with her lot.

Meghan leads Harry by the nose. For how long, remains to be seen.

This.

@vlnr77yac

Time will tell! There will be a lot of pain to go through before they know

There's madness on these threads.

I mean EVERYONE who's lived life has gone through pain AND before they knew it... so wtf ???!

Being a fatalist doesn't help. On that basis what is the point of having an opinion. Of course you never know, it is about what you can do to help your better chances.

Went down the rabbit hole of buzzfeed then had a search to make sure it was actually true. CBS is the network that they are doing the talk with.

CBS's 48 Hours Investigates in 2004 screened two images of an unconscious Diana slumped in the back of a car after the crash in Paris in 1997.

The decision to broadcast the pictures, which had never been shown before out of respect to Diana's family, provoked outrage.

@Madasahattersteaparty1749

Went down the rabbit hole of buzzfeed then had a search to make sure it was actually true. CBS is the network that they are doing the talk with.

CBS's 48 Hours Investigates in 2004 screened two images of an unconscious Diana slumped in the back of a car after the crash in Paris in 1997.

The decision to broadcast the pictures, which had never been shown before out of respect to Diana's family, provoked outrage.

Great bit of research. This really is very shocking.

@VladmirsPoutine

Time will tell! There will be a lot of pain to go through before they know

She says before she lights the candles on the floor, dances around her living room sprinkling salt and dousing the sofa in essential oils then slowly covering her body in her black bathrobe while kneeling by the candles, blowing them out one by one each with an intentional breath as she slowly chants Harry's birth name "Henry" and Meghan's birth name "Rachel" ..."Time will tell" she whispers as she slowly bends into the fetal on the floor.

Oh @vlad you must be livid!! 🤣 made me laugh though, good read

There's madness on these threads

I fully agree and it's on both "sides".

So much speculation and distortion of sources/facts/slight of hand and whataboutary.

It's almost like some posters are utterly brainwashed into believing one narrative over another and using the most ridiculous "evidence" to back up an opinion about which they are utterly resolute in defending beyond all logic.

There is actually a very interesting discussion to be had here about some pretty big "topics" (racism, monarchy, inherited privilege, influencers, the press etc) but we are constantly stoped in having it by a cohort of posters who seem utterly incapable of having a nuanced conversation.

@derxa

"Absolutely.

Part of the frustration with these threads is the constant whataboutary, using one persons poor behaviour to justify that of another's.

It's a topic that covers so many issues that people understandably feel strongly about: racism, monarchy, the press, influencers, inherited wealth/privilege etc.

However, I don't think having a strong view of one or all of these necessarily means you need to "pick a side".

I'm pretty comfortable with my position that the monarchy should be subject to (a lot) more scrutiny and transparency whilst being critical not of what H&M have done in leaving the RF but how they have gone about it.

I feel no conflict in thinking that as an allegedly favoured son that Andrew has repeatedly "escaped" the consequences of some shocking behaviour. Aside from Epstein why is there no investigation of how he's managed to build up an estimated personal fortune of £80m whilst "working" as a British Trade Ambassador?

I fully agree M got a torrid time from the press - more than even other females marrying in and that the "covert" racism was relentless.

That doesn't mean I can't think poor judgement was shown in wearing those earrings at a time when Khasoggi murder was widely being reported as being at the behest of the Saudi state (and the second time they'd actually admitted it). She was certainly aware of the poor human rights record of that nation having spent time (and photographed with) in 2016 with a leading female Saudi activist who was later arrested.

I can understand and feel supportive of why they both wanted to leave the RF but not the "cake and eat it" model they made public.

I can see they will have large expenses simply in security costs year on year. I don't want to see them hurt so I'm also ok with them using their former royal status to do deals with Netflix etc. A combined est. fortune of £40m sounds a lot but it's not going to last long if you're paying a couple of million a year in personal protection.

What I can't get past is that everything they have accomplished could have been done with less drama and more goodwill.

The famous Africa "thriving" interview. I don't think she said anything wrong but the context was poorly misjudged.

Yet here we are again - new house, financial independence, new baby, a win in the court case and they both want to poke the hornets nest again.

For the love of god why? If your brand is "building compassion around the world" then stop speaking about it and do it rather than open fresh wounds?

Yes they've been through a lot, but they are in a position of great wealth and privilege.

The rest of the world has gone to hell in the last year but they've absolutely bucked the trend in all they've achieved. Good on them.

But going on Oprah for a pity party right now is just a tone deaf move from the pair of them."
All of the above

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🥺

@derxa

"Absolutely.

Part of the frustration with these threads is the constant whataboutary, using one persons poor behaviour to justify that of another's.

It's a topic that covers so many issues that people understandably feel strongly about: racism, monarchy, the press, influencers, inherited wealth/privilege etc.

However, I don't think having a strong view of one or all of these necessarily means you need to "pick a side".

I'm pretty comfortable with my position that the monarchy should be subject to (a lot) more scrutiny and transparency whilst being critical not of what H&M have done in leaving the RF but how they have gone about it.

I feel no conflict in thinking that as an allegedly favoured son that Andrew has repeatedly "escaped" the consequences of some shocking behaviour. Aside from Epstein why is there no investigation of how he's managed to build up an estimated personal fortune of £80m whilst "working" as a British Trade Ambassador?

I fully agree M got a torrid time from the press - more than even other females marrying in and that the "covert" racism was relentless.

That doesn't mean I can't think poor judgement was shown in wearing those earrings at a time when Khasoggi murder was widely being reported as being at the behest of the Saudi state (and the second time they'd actually admitted it). She was certainly aware of the poor human rights record of that nation having spent time (and photographed with) in 2016 with a leading female Saudi activist who was later arrested.

I can understand and feel supportive of why they both wanted to leave the RF but not the "cake and eat it" model they made public.

I can see they will have large expenses simply in security costs year on year. I don't want to see them hurt so I'm also ok with them using their former royal status to do deals with Netflix etc. A combined est. fortune of £40m sounds a lot but it's not going to last long if you're paying a couple of million a year in personal protection.

What I can't get past is that everything they have accomplished could have been done with less drama and more goodwill.

The famous Africa "thriving" interview. I don't think she said anything wrong but the context was poorly misjudged.

Yet here we are again - new house, financial independence, new baby, a win in the court case and they both want to poke the hornets nest again.

For the love of god why? If your brand is "building compassion around the world" then stop speaking about it and do it rather than open fresh wounds?

Yes they've been through a lot, but they are in a position of great wealth and privilege.

The rest of the world has gone to hell in the last year but they've absolutely bucked the trend in all they've achieved. Good on them.

But going on Oprah for a pity party right now is just a tone deaf move from the pair of them."
All of the above

Absolutely spot on.

And the Africa interview. Those wondering eyes reminding us of how Diana used to. Remarkable performance. She lost me there.

@threecee

do warm and caring people really do an oprah winfrey interview on tv to whinge about the in laws ?

Good point. Obviously there are overriding reasons why you would do that. Like promoting your own image and agenda.

@Madasahattersteaparty1749

Went down the rabbit hole of buzzfeed then had a search to make sure it was actually true. CBS is the network that they are doing the talk with.

CBS's 48 Hours Investigates in 2004 screened two images of an unconscious Diana slumped in the back of a car after the crash in Paris in 1997.

The decision to broadcast the pictures, which had never been shown before out of respect to Diana's family, provoked outrage.

Particularly shocking given there were elements of the UK media which printed stories that Diana may have expressed concern for an unborn child after the crash.

That obviously didn't happen if she was unconscious, which reporters would have known perfectly well as they had access to these pictures.

Bastards.

@Roussette

Before who knows? The public I presume! What pain?

Trying to catch what ball @Rouse?

@Coronateachingagain

It is self evident that all people living will at some point go through pain and before they knew it.

Its no different for H&M and when it happens it won't be because they fell in love, she's black and he's not, they got married and p'd you off in the process.

You're talking nonsense.

I think this photo says it all.

Look how miserable Harry, Wills & Kate look, whilst Megan looks absolutely serene.

She’s got what she came for (a Prince and world wide fame), and seems blissfully unconcerned about the breakdown of her husband’s relationship with his family.

[quote vlnr77yac]@Coronateachingagain

It is self evident that all people living will at some point go through pain and before they knew it.

Its no different for H&M and when it happens it won't be because they fell in love, she's black and he's not, they got married and p'd you off in the process.

You're talking nonsense.[/quote]
there is no need to be unkind. You cannot really know the thrust of Coronateachingagain's comments.

Let's all agree we have - and are allowed to have - different opinions.

I’ve not read the whole thread, but I have seen a lot of comments saying how Kate had the same level of shit from the media, Camilla, Sarah Ferguson, Eugenie, Diana.

Why should that mean that MM should just accept it. None of these woman should have accepted it. ( it’s always woman who have to put up with it)

The British press has a lot to answer for in its treatment of woman within the royal family.

@Kikitheparot

I think this photo says it all.

Look how miserable Harry, Wills & Kate look, whilst Megan looks absolutely serene.

She’s got what she came for (a Prince and world wide fame), and seems blissfully unconcerned about the breakdown of her husband’s relationship with his family.

Reportedly, iirc as that photo was taken, Harry was furious as Will had just said a not very friendly hello to Harry and then very pointedly blanked Meghan. Meghan calmed Harry, and what you see there is her pasting a good face on it (probably very fucking relieved to be leaving).

When will it be available in the UK?

Again. How is this not absolutely bat shit unhinged.

It's a bit mean, but it's not an off-the-wall suggestion. They both come from families where pretty much everyone divorces sooner or later, and celebrities have a very high divorce rate.

I'm not hoping they do. International divorces are horrible. I've seen a few.

I tend to have really bad issues with second-hand embarrassment so I wish they would stop making tits out of themselves and just go and live a quiet life in LA etc. They have around 38 million in the bank between them so they could quite easily live a pleasant and prosperous life (albeit not in the billionaires' set) without ever doing any kind of work or publicity for the rest of their lives if they wanted to. They are a bit tiresome but not bad and certainly not evil people, and their child deserves a bit of peace and normality.

[quote vlnr77yac]@Coronateachingagain

It is self evident that all people living will at some point go through pain and before they knew it.

Its no different for H&M and when it happens it won't be because they fell in love, she's black and he's not, they got married and p'd you off in the process.

You're talking nonsense.[/quote]
So what has this got to do with her being black (or half black or whatever)? Shows your colours