The latest royal family drama

[Kinsters]

It's like a TV show. How embarrassing!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3

The latest is that Meghan is accused of bullying staff. Harry and Meghan then responded that Buckingham Palace was using the Times to peddle false stories/a smear campaign. So presumably the "leak" comes from Buckingham Palace/the Queen.

It's all so childish. Why can't they all just be grateful for the extremely cushy life that they have!

I'll be watching the Oprah interview. I think the royals never come across well in these kind of things. Like Andrew's awful interview...he's just so out of touch with reality. And I think that's a characteristic that Harry unfortunately shares with him.

I didn’t know sending emails at 5am is bullying. I’ve sent late night and early morning mails, because of my travel and work patterns. I assume the other person will read and respond when they can and based on their own time zone.

Earlier the complaint was that they were work shy and didn’t want to do low key stuff. I presume emails are not considered glamorous activities....is having a strong/American style work ethic now an issue?

@OliverBabish

“I am not racist. Even if I was, she does not look black to me one iota, she has totally changed her appearance.”

She hasn’t totally changed her appearance and I really don’t think commenting on someone else’s blackness is an ok thing to do

Kind of reminds me of the Andrew Pierce character who said he does not see MM as a black woman, just an attractive woman.

Because...........you know...........those black women are not attractive or pretty.

@ElspethFlashman

For some reason there is a whole raft of 'fans' who regardless of the evidence in front of their eyes refuse believe they are capable of wrong and will defend them to the hilt. I don't understand it. What do you get out of it?

She could take a dump on the actual throne and there'd be the same people on here defending it.

And its so cringe. People quit their jobs, people complained to HR, they weren't listened to, they kept on quitting, and STILL anyone who is doubtful about Megan's character is just a big fat racist and her ex-aides are all lying.

I agree.

At least PA is keeping quiet and isn't going onto trashy daytime TV shows to slag off his family

No PA does a weighty interview in an attempt to brush it all under the carpet whilst denying, despite being pushed repeatedly, that he regrets his friendship with a paedophile.

Oprah, trashy?

@starfro

Both Prince Andrew and Harry/Meghan have deeply embarrassed the RF in the last couple of years.

At least PA is keeping quiet and isn't going onto trashy daytime TV shows to slag off his family.

Both appear to have done “trashy” shows. They have that in common.

@Lookingforwardto2021

I didn’t know sending emails at 5am is bullying. I’ve sent late night and early morning mails, because of my travel and work patterns. I assume the other person will read and respond when they can and based on their own time zone.

Earlier the complaint was that they were work shy and didn’t want to do low key stuff. I presume emails are not considered glamorous activities....is having a strong/American style work ethic now an issue?

Well, it depends though doesn’t it. Sending an email at 5am is fine, but if you’re then demanding that the recipient sees and responds at a similar time (assuming they don’t start their own working day very early), that’s not ok. I don’t know the specifics of the DoS’s emailing habits, I haven’t read the Times story because I don’t have an account. But IMO the former scenario would be fine, the latter not.

“People quit their jobs, people complained to HR, they weren't listened to, they kept on quitting, and STILL anyone who is doubtful about Megan's character is just a big fat racist and her ex-aides are all lying.”

So you are upset with the RF for not providing a safe work environment, I presume? Or is this Mm’s fault?

Like I said, the Rf should be subject to normal employment law and and ET process. Of course ithen Anne, Andrew, Queen, Charles and others will be subject to the same scrutiny too

Because...........you know...........those black women are not attractive or pretty

You’re being ridiculous in your interpretation of what was said.

@randomer

She should have stood down 30 odd years ago.She could still have raised peoples spirits from the sidelines. Don't tell me a 96 year old has the same brain as her offspring

That's probably WHY she hasn't stepped down!

@spudlet, I agree. But if there was a specific issue, it would have been mentioned, no? The only thing that was specific was emails being sent (nothing about wanting a response right away) and that she came to office everyday, instead of once a month or something like other royals.

That seems a normal American work ethic to me

All of the alleged bullying victims were women. So much for Meghan's women's empowerment thing.

@Roussette

At least PA is keeping quiet and isn't going onto trashy daytime TV shows to slag off his family

No PA does a weighty interview in an attempt to brush it all under the carpet whilst denying, despite being pushed repeatedly, that he regrets his friendship with a paedophile.

Oprah, trashy?

Her show was the female equivalent of Jerry Springer for a long time.

Which is why it is so important that any claims of bullying are investigated on time and in a transparent and open manner. The RF were remarkably derelict in their responsibility towards both the staff and MM. It is important for both the accuser and accused to have a fair and timely investigation.

I feel sorry for Harry but he needs to grow a back bone and stand up to Megan before she destroys him

She probably saved him. Time will tell.

I think this whole thing will end up further tarnishing the Royals, far more than it will Meghan and Harry (except to the DF racists of course). In an era where people have more sources and more differing opinions available - not just the red tops - their tactics are dated and come across as spiteful. Meghan spent years on a TV show, and was loved by the crew and cast. But we're supposed to believe that she landed in the UK and transformed into someone who traumatized the kind of people who manage to deal with the likes of Philip, Charles, Anne, Andrew...

One of William's main mouthpieces is even content with indirectly shoving Diana under the bus to get at Meghan. That suddenly--problematic-after-two-years necklace came from Dodi's cousin.

@Lookingforwardto2021

I didn’t know sending emails at 5am is bullying. I’ve sent late night and early morning mails, because of my travel and work patterns. I assume the other person will read and respond when they can and based on their own time zone.

Earlier the complaint was that they were work shy and didn’t want to do low key stuff. I presume emails are not considered glamorous activities....is having a strong/American style work ethic now an issue?

Whole load of assumptions being made here! Firstly, no one has said in the latest allegation that the 5am emails were the sole basis for the bullying allegations.

Secondly, the insinuation that someone who complains about receiving a slew of emails at 5am is "workshy" is dubious at best, and your insinuation that the Palace employees (not all of whom were British anyway) don't have an (American) strong work ethic is straight up bigoted.

Thirdly, having been a line manager in a highly pressurised working environment for many many years, I am very well aware that the boss needs to be aware of their impact on their staff. Many, many people would find coming into work in the morning to find an inbox full of emails from their boss quite stressful. Firstly, it puts them immediately on the back foot for the day, playing catch up from the moment they look at it. Secondly, it likely means that they will need to go through and re-prioritise their day. Funnily enough many people don't like feeling out of control of their workload like that, it causes tension. If the boss' expectations are very clearly communicated (eg "I always send lots of emails as soon as I get up - don't worry, you can ignore most of them, I'll make the ones that really need to be dealt with crystal clear etc and I'll never come in and demand to know what you haven't dealt with them half an hour after you get in" etc) then it is likely to be fine. Based on the reports coming out in the press however, it does not seem likely that that was the working style of the Duchess.

[quote Lookingforwardto2021]@spudlet, I agree. But if there was a specific issue, it would have been mentioned, no? The only thing that was specific was emails being sent (nothing about wanting a response right away) and that she came to office everyday, instead of once a month or something like other royals.

That seems a normal American work ethic to me[/quote]
Yes, you’d expect so - I’ve only seen the sending of the emails having been mentioned but as I said, I haven’t read the latest article.

That said, if it’s true that multiple people were being reduced to tears in the workplace, that is not ok and shouldn’t be happening, no matter who your boss happens to be. And I sort of doubt that anyone who ends up working for the RF is such a wilting flower as to be sent into weeping fits easily, so if that’s been happening, clearly something had gone wrong there.

Her show was the female equivalent of Jerry Springer for a long time

It could be sensational, yes. But it was never trashy!!

@LinenSheets

All of the alleged bullying victims were women. So much for Meghan's women's empowerment thing.

Has she been found to have bullied anyone?

If you are for women’s emowerment does that mean you have to get along with all women in the workplace? You cannot find any woman insubordinate, incompetent or dishonest?

Whatever their end game is, Harry should know better, it's like he is pressing the big red button! He's the biggest twat here.

*Has she been found to have bullied anyone?

If you are for women’s emowerment does that mean you have to get along with all women in the workplace? You cannot find any woman insubordinate, incompetent or dishonest?*

The victim shaming and blaming here is extraordinary.

All of the alleged bullying victims were women. So much for Meghan's women's empowerment thing.

Do you know what the word "alleged" means? Because your second sentence suggests that you don't.

@Lookingforwardto2021

I didn’t know sending emails at 5am is bullying. I’ve sent late night and early morning mails, because of my travel and work patterns. I assume the other person will read and respond when they can and based on their own time zone.

Earlier the complaint was that they were work shy and didn’t want to do low key stuff. I presume emails are not considered glamorous activities....is having a strong/American style work ethic now an issue?

I think in fairness to the staff involved in the bullying allegations its unreasonable to consider they had a poor work ethic. I mean, one of them had worked for Madonna fgs, I can't imagine she is an easy going boss. There must be more to it than early morning emails, assuming there is any truth in it at all

I think the only thing we can be sure of is that for whatever reason they did have a relatively high turnover of staff.

@Storingeggs

What if the Royals are showing how relevant and necessary they are by keeping the papers busy with a whole stream of gossip? Whether you love them or hate them, you care. This, they are still relevant. If you were indifferent and not posting on this thread then maybe they wouldn’t be relevant. Maybe the Royals are playing us all!Either way, they are still newsworthy

Of course they're relevant...they're our unelected head of state...they'll be relevant until we get rid of them.

@Serenster

*Has she been found to have bullied anyone?

If you are for women’s emowerment does that mean you have to get along with all women in the workplace? You cannot find any woman insubordinate, incompetent or dishonest?*

The victim shaming and blaming here is extraordinary.

Absolutely.

I don’t think Catherine has ever been accused of bullying ,

Yet, it has been suggested three times on this thread.