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The latest royal family drama

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Kinsters · 03/03/2021 05:52

It's like a TV show. How embarrassing!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3

The latest is that Meghan is accused of bullying staff. Harry and Meghan then responded that Buckingham Palace was using the Times to peddle false stories/a smear campaign. So presumably the "leak" comes from Buckingham Palace/the Queen.

It's all so childish. Why can't they all just be grateful for the extremely cushy life that they have!

I'll be watching the Oprah interview. I think the royals never come across well in these kind of things. Like Andrew's awful interview...he's just so out of touch with reality. And I think that's a characteristic that Harry unfortunately shares with him.

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MyBonnyLiesOverTheOcean2020 · 04/03/2021 06:42

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/prince-andrews-decades-of-unpleasantness-revealed/JECKCCAJULKVZUAFHCLKDHPDDU/ "He's been incredibly rude to his personal protection officers, literally throwing things on the ground and demanding that they 'f*ing pick them up'. No social graces at all." I wonder if Meghan's alleged bullying behaviour is as bad as this? The investigaion into Prince Andrew's treatment of Royal staff is taking a long time to appear in public.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 04/03/2021 06:51

I wonder will there be a voice over before or after the interview giving H&M's response to these allegations.. Will definitely be watching anyway.

Kinsters · 04/03/2021 07:17

@MyBonnyLiesOverTheOcean2020

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/prince-andrews-decades-of-unpleasantness-revealed/JECKCCAJULKVZUAFHCLKDHPDDU/ "He's been incredibly rude to his personal protection officers, literally throwing things on the ground and demanding that they 'f*ing pick them up'. No social graces at all." I wonder if Meghan's alleged bullying behaviour is as bad as this? The investigaion into Prince Andrew's treatment of Royal staff is taking a long time to appear in public.
As someone said upthread, this investigation could open the floodgates for the royal family. Hopefully Andrew will be held to account too.

As somebody else said though, this more concrete evidence against Meghan with emails etc may have come to light because she is about to go on Oprah and tell everyone how awful her staff were and how good she is. Someone who feels wronged by her wants to have their say too. Not sure awful Andy is going to be doing any tell all Oprah interviews anytime soon...

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MyBonnyLiesOverTheOcean2020 · 04/03/2021 07:22

Are M+H glory seeking, annoying LA types? Who could choose to give up their titles and retire into a quiet life and do good but would miss the limelight? Yes However, wrt the limelight, are they vastly different from the RF in this way? No
Is the RF a rather sinister group which will stop at nothing to protect the insiders including going after those they perceive to be their enemies? Yes
Has the British media gone after Meghan in a way they haven’t gone after Kate? Yes www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
Is Prince Andrew worthy of more vitriol than Meghan and Harry? Yes
Is Prince Andrew more of an entitled bully than Meghan? I would strongly suspect that the answer yes.

Roussette · 04/03/2021 07:27

Armi just because someone writes a long detailed post about these allegations and other matters, doesn't mean they are frazzled. It's just PA nonsense to suggest otherwise of @PurpleCrocuses. I've had people doing this to me and it's not coming from a place of concern. Quite the opposite.

Incidentally, Purple on your last para I have linked on here, and will repeat it... The Sun asking a correspondent to lie and dish the dirt and write a made up article on Meghan. The Editor of the Sun spent 30 minutes trying to persuade someone to do this.
twitter.com/KaindeB/status/1367015773235986434
(It cannot be called hearsay, it is recorded at a lecture/talk)

So excuse me if I hold back judgement on this bullying article. Will there be an independent review? Or is it the Palace themselves reviewing this. If there is an independent review and MM did bully staff, it should not have happened.. As are all the other cases of bullying by members of the RF over the years. I find the timing strange and who briefed the staff even more odd. Why now?

ShapeShiftedForThis · 04/03/2021 07:51

"I don't know how they could expect that, after all of this time, we would still just be silent if there is an active role that The Firm is playing in perpetuating falsehoods about us."

I just read this on the news. This is a quote from the Oprah interview that was said by Meghan.

I am not even a royal, I'd vote Republican if I could,

However.....ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH of this woman disrespecting the longest, most respected monarch in the world, whose 99-year old husband is lying in a hospital, possibly at the end of his life.

It is time to strip Meghan and Harry of their royal titles and let them get on with their American life unrelated to the BRF. Harry has done more damage to them than done in hundreds of years. Seriously, the Queen now needs to step in and cut them off. You can't silence them and I don't believe in that anyway, but they are going to talk anyway. It is time to cut them off completely and let them bleat on without the clout of a royal title.

Honestly, it is time to stick up for someone who we don't realise is a massive part of our culture and is someone who has done a lot of good for this country.

MyBonnyLiesOverTheOcean2020 · 04/03/2021 07:58

Shape However.....ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH of this woman disrespecting the longest, most respected monarch in the world

www.insider.com/queen-elizabeth-accepted-horses-dubai-emir-kidnapping-allegations-2021-3

This is the woman who insisted on having the bells rung at Westminster Abbey to celebrate Prince Andrew's birthday last year www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-birthday-westminster-abbey-bells-councils-flags-jeffrey-epstein-a9322756.html

Kinsters · 04/03/2021 07:59

Roussette why now? It's because Meghan is about to do a tell all interview with Oprah. The other parties involved clearly want their say too. And whether that other party is actually a bullied member of Meghan's staff or Buckingham Palace none of us know that yet.

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Roussette · 04/03/2021 08:03

I know Kinsters I was being facetious... I know exactly why now Grin

Harry has done more damage to them than done in hundreds of years

Oh purleeeease.... have you not paid attention to history? There has been far far far worse things done by the RF than Harry deciding to protect his wife and child(ren) by going off somewhere else.
What a laughable comment.

I suppose Edward abdicating to marry an american divorcee was nothing then. Plus a hundred other scandals and events to rock the RF over the years. But Harry has done worse lolol

Mummy195 · 04/03/2021 08:04

@PurpleCrocuses

I think 'narcissist' is the only N word they could get away with calling MM. Grin

redspecial · 04/03/2021 08:11

just seen another clip of sad, vulnerable M talking to Oprah. She's not that bad of an actress after all. what a load of bollocks.

Mummy195 · 04/03/2021 08:12

However.....ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH of this woman disrespecting the longest, most respected monarch

The queen is not exactly holding a vigil next to her husband now is she.

Lampzade · 04/03/2021 08:14

@Roussette

I know Kinsters I was being facetious... I know exactly why now Grin

Harry has done more damage to them than done in hundreds of years

Oh purleeeease.... have you not paid attention to history? There has been far far far worse things done by the RF than Harry deciding to protect his wife and child(ren) by going off somewhere else.
What a laughable comment.

I suppose Edward abdicating to marry an american divorcee was nothing then. Plus a hundred other scandals and events to rock the RF over the years. But Harry has done worse lolol

Exactly The hyperbolic sentiments of some posters is ridiculous What pisses me off is that some people are rewriting history and forgetting that the same. things that have been said about Meghan were said about Diana. They said that she had destroyed the Royal Family by getting involved with Dodi Fayed. She too talked about the ‘Firm’. They can’t all be making this stuff up. If Meghan is a bully , let it be investigated. Everything else is out in the open now. The ‘men in grey suits’ will not want a proper investigation because it will definitely open up a can of worms

As I said in previous post. I would be more interested in finding about the shenanigans of PA

Lampzade · 04/03/2021 08:18

@PurpleCrocuses

Meh, just another page from the RF smear campaign playbook.

Will and Kate's chief crony and Dan Wootton's best mate Jason Knauf earning his money again. Knuaf's job is to smear Meghan by any means necessary. That's why all the bullying allegations are coming second hand from him and not from the anonymous alleged "victims" (who reportedly asked Knauf to rescind the bullying allegations, as they were made without the "victims" knowledge).

I see no evidence of bullying except towards Meghan. The hoops posters are jumping through to make out perfectly normal behaviour all the royals do is "bullying"!

Whatever the nanny did to be sent packing in the middle of the night must be egregious, it's not bullying.

Meghan wasn't allowed to choose her own staff but had staff who were actively working against her and selling stories to the press about her forced upon her. Not just Jason but a certain infamous female PA who'd never even worked as a PA before yet somehow landed a top royal PA job! It's all corruption.

As for the royal reporter (a bigger pack of vicious racist trolls the world never saw), the worst thing she can say is that Meghan's staff permitted a heavily pregnant woman to be surrounded by a mob, and that Meghan once "hissed" (ie whispered) something at a staffer, and the staffer was later spotted crying. Is being "hissed" at really "bullying"? Maybe the staffer was crying because she fucked up, not because Meghan "hissed"? Is Meghan not supposed to even speak in case a white woman bursts into tears?

Remember when the press tried to pull the White Woman Tears card over the story that Meghan made Kate cry, then it turned out Kate had tried to bully a n American woman she'd never met before into forcing her young daughter Meghan's bridesmaid) to wear tights to Meghan's wedding, like it's remotely any of Kate's business what a bridesmaid wears to someone else's wedding. Then apparently Kate burst into tears because she didn't get her own way.

How many bullying allegations have there been against Kate over the years?b oHw many former pupils accused her of bullying them at school? Which of the York sisters was she accused of bullying? How many staffers have quit the Cambridge household? How many tabloid articles were published at the time claiming Kate was driving staff to quit in droves? Kate's been accused of bullying far more times than Meghan has!

It's also lovely to see all of Meghan and Harry's friends, employees and former work colleagues come out today to defend them against these preposterous allegations. Oh hold on, wait..
Um, actually many dozens of Meghan's old friends, former acting co-workers, and even random people who knew or worked with her briefly, have all defended her and praised her to the high heavens. Just because it's not reported in the Daily Mail doesn't mean they don't exist. I saw four tweets yesterday from people tweeting they'd been offered money by tabloids to lie about and slag Meghan off. One from actor Simon Rex who'd been offered money to lie about having slept with Meghan, and three from female psychologists tweeting that they'd been offered money to give a quote saying "I'm an expert in psychology and Meghan is clearly mentally ill and a narcissist." Apparently one tabloid has been DMing every female psychology professor they can find trying to find someone willing to take a bribe to "diagnose" Meghan as a narcissist.

This is absolutely shocking, but unfortunately believable
Kikitheparot · 04/03/2021 08:19

IMO only a sociopath could see the horrendous living conditions in the slums of South Africa, and then use that publicity opportunity to complain about their own wealthy, pampered and privileged life.

“No one asked me if I was ok”

Meredithgrey1 · 04/03/2021 08:20

Remember when the press tried to pull the White Woman Tears card over the story that Meghan made Kate cry, then it turned out Kate had tried to bully a n American woman she'd never met before into forcing her young daughter Meghan's bridesmaid) to wear tights to Meghan's wedding, like it's remotely any of Kate's business what a bridesmaid wears to someone else's wedding. Then apparently Kate burst into tears because she didn't get her own way.

What do you mean “then it turned out”. This is no different to the baseless speculation and rumours about Meghan.

TheKeatingFive · 04/03/2021 08:21

IMO only a sociopath could see the horrendous living conditions in the slums of South Africa, and then use that publicity opportunity to complain about their own wealthy, pampered and privileged life.

Hmmm

I wonder how you feel about the royals patronising homelessness charities with many empty palaces sitting around that they barely frequent?

Like Holyrood for example, used only 1 week a year.

Spudlet · 04/03/2021 08:21

Honestly, I’m sick of the lot of them. All of them. We are still in the middle of a pandemic and economic crisis, people across the world are dying in their thousands, and all the news is full of is a load of over-privileged millionaires whining about how hard done by they are, and let’s not even start on the befriending of (at the very least) paedophiles, dear god. Oh, and how about interfering with legislation to benefit the Royal estates.... The lot of them are rotten. Bring on a republic and let the Royals retire to survive on their own merits. They’d do just fine, and we’d save money on ridiculously expensive coats and shoes and suits and dresses. I’ve had enough of them all.

Lampzade · 04/03/2021 08:22

@Kikitheparot

IMO only a sociopath could see the horrendous living conditions in the slums of South Africa, and then use that publicity opportunity to complain about their own wealthy, pampered and privileged life.

“No one asked me if I was ok”

Disingenuous comment
Meredithgrey1 · 04/03/2021 08:25

@Mummy195

However.....ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH of this woman disrespecting the longest, most respected monarch

The queen is not exactly holding a vigil next to her husband now is she.

That’s a bit harsh. There is a pandemic, she can hardly walk into the hospital every day to see him. Plenty of people have lost loved ones without being able to see them, would you also snipe at them for not holding a vigil next to their relatives in hospital?
Kintsugi16 · 04/03/2021 08:26

I don’t know why they do these interviews.
They never go well, Andrew, Diana.
Neither had a good outcome

MacDuffsMuff · 04/03/2021 08:27

I've no opinion on H & M in particular. I also completely understand them moving away and wanting a more private life. What I don't understand is why then, rather than having a more private life, they're courting more publicity than ... well anyone. Weird.

Storingeggs · 04/03/2021 08:31

No offence to anyone involved but I really wish they would all stop rowing. I listened to two of my kids getting angrier and angrier all last night (over nothing) and opened the paper to read Other.Peoples.Arguments this morning. Can we all just have a cup of tea and get along? I have cookies Grin

Serenster · 04/03/2021 08:32

One of the reasons why I step away from commenting on royal posts from time to time, despite a general interest in the topics, is because I become increasingly frustrated by how polarised people are. For many, and possibly even most of the pro Harry & Meghan posters, there is absolutely no nuance permitted. Harry & Meghan are good, and can do no wrong, and any information that suggests they may do is biased and suspect, and all the other people involved in their activities are thoroughly bad, and bullies, with no redeeming features whatsoever. Despite the fact that life, and people, are just not like that in real life. No-one is a paragon of all virtues, incapable of putting single foot wrong ever, just like no-one is patently evil in everything they do, ever.

You can see this playing out on on this very thread. Allegations are made against the Duchess. Contemporaneous evidence from when they were made, including names, is presented and published. It also tallies with reports in the press at the time of the events. But - some tabloid newspapers have vile practices, so despite the fact it's published by a paper of international repute, it's obviously suspect. The timing is suspect (despite the fact that the couple is doing a heavily publicised tell-all interview where it’s clear that many of the people who used to work for them will be criticised, and it looks very much like it’s the people who used to work for them who have gone to the press, in circumstances in which they would be regarded legally as whistleblowers, thus getting round the NDA issue). The Duchess must have had reasons for acting as she did - despite none of us having any idea of what actually happened the nanny was clearly incompetent (but it's the fact that they attacked her after the event when she had no way of defending herself that was criticised), one of the Duchess' staff had no relevant experience when she took the job - and so presumably deserved to be bullied? (but that's on the people who recruited her, and you still owe her a duty of care as her employer to get her up to speed with the role or help her find another position, intimidating her for being incompetent is never appropriate), it's the staff own fault for getting upset when they are told off, which probably never happened any way as all the many. many accounts from many different people are obviously all malicious, and they are clearly all incompetent, despite many of them having held down senior roles for many years, the heavily pregnant (remember, anything that happened when the Duchess of Sussex was pregnant is egregious), ill, and then post-partum sister-in-law was validly criticised for not giving Meghan more support in finding her way through the maze of Royal protocol, but then the one thing that it's been reported she actually did offer a view on (that children attendants at weddings wear tights) is her bullying the poor bride and her friend. The poor duke and duchess were repeatedly thrown under the bus by the Palace team to protect the favoured Cambridge couple - despite the fact it's now become blatantly obviously that the Palace completely shut down the highly damaging complaints that the Sussexes had bullied staff. The allegations have been rescinded by the staff involved (we are told - no-one has shown us where this has been reported. And newspaper reports are always credible when they favour the Sussexes, but always suspect when they don't, in any event). But everybody else involved in this story, all of of them are duplicitious bullies in any event. And so it goes, on and on and on.

It's exhausting. And it's the reason in the end why I realised that despite my initial hugely positive views of Meghan Markle and enthusiasm for her joining the Royal family, she is a human and prone to making mistakes just like the rest of us. Once I started realising that I was having to suspend any critical thinking and twist everything in the story to make her stay the goodie, no matter what, I realised I couldn't do it any more. I don't think she's a baddie, I think she's a person. Not a paragon, a person. But discussing the Sussexes actions with people who would argue that white is black before they would accept that they might have made any missteps, is exhausting.

ShapeShiftedForThis · 04/03/2021 08:33

Meghan and Harry just need to let it go now and get on with their lives. It is really hypocritical for them to play the victim card whilst creaming off the British taxpayers. They say they are paying their own way but I believe we still pay for their security and Prince Ch gives them handouts. Harry's wealth is from his parents, it is not self-made and that money has come from lording it over the British people. They were given Frogmore cottage and estate to live in and had £3m renovation paid for by the British taxpayers who now have an increase of 61% using foodbanks and have trillions of debt around their necks.

Everyone has a different opinion on the subject but for me, Harry and Meghan are an utter, utter disgrace. I am not usually riled up by stuff like this but I will be out there over the next few days signing any petitions that emerge calling for them to lose all remaining privileges that they do not deserve.