The latest royal family drama

[Kinsters]

It's like a TV show. How embarrassing!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3

The latest is that Meghan is accused of bullying staff. Harry and Meghan then responded that Buckingham Palace was using the Times to peddle false stories/a smear campaign. So presumably the "leak" comes from Buckingham Palace/the Queen.

It's all so childish. Why can't they all just be grateful for the extremely cushy life that they have!

I'll be watching the Oprah interview. I think the royals never come across well in these kind of things. Like Andrew's awful interview...he's just so out of touch with reality. And I think that's a characteristic that Harry unfortunately shares with him.

No one will come forward or make a documented complaint because they signed non-disclosure agreements.

I completely agree @ancientgran. The bastard who bullied me owes me, not the other way round.

well the ex staff who have come forward apparently unbeknown to the palace , the sussex,s of course are going to believe its a smear campaign as they seem convinced the royals are out to make them look bad , im not sure how though you are inferring the royals are childish or ungrateful as this latest drama isnt anything to do with them as such , i think at this point down the road its the ones sitting down to moan to oprah winfrey who are looking childish and ungratefull

ancientgran
It's what the mug stands for isn't it... where it was etc.

I think most people have some experience of bullying in the workplace. the grown up thing to do is to document it and raise it as an informal or formal grievance. You have to give the other person a chance. They may not know how they are coming across and it may also be that you are misreading the situation.

Like I said, wildly throwing accusations of bullying in the workplace without proper documentation and investigations is mischievous at best and defamatory at worst.

@VinylDetective

Have you ever been bullied at work? It's usually a succession of small actions designed to make another person feel small. Nasty looks, tone of voice, put downs etc etc. It may not consist of any screaming and shouting

Exactly that. Moving deadlines at no notice, withholding important information, rearranging meetings so there’s no time to prepare, constantly changing parameters.

Nobody who has experienced it ever minimises it, workplace bullying makes life a living hell. It’s more than a decade since I was subject to it and the memory still makes me feel physically sick.

One might even find it "almost unsurvivable", resign and move away, eh?

@Lookingforwardto2021

I think most people have some experience of bullying in the workplace. the grown up thing to do is to document it and raise it as an informal or formal grievance. You have to give the other person a chance. They may not know how they are coming across and it may also be that you are misreading the situation.

Like I said, wildly throwing accusations of bullying in the workplace without proper documentation and investigations is mischievous at best and defamatory at worst.

I think you should stop lecturing people about something you clearly only have theoretical knowledge of. If it’s ever happened to you, you’d understand that the very nature of it is insidious and designed to break you. How do you bring a grievance against the most senior person in the organisation? Who’s going to have your back?

And thanks @PicsInRed, I did exactly that. It doesn’t stop my stomach knotting at the memory 14 years later.

@Lookingforwardto2021

I think most people have some experience of bullying in the workplace. the grown up thing to do is to document it and raise it as an informal or formal grievance. You have to give the other person a chance. They may not know how they are coming across and it may also be that you are misreading the situation.

Like I said, wildly throwing accusations of bullying in the workplace without proper documentation and investigations is mischievous at best and defamatory at worst.

Don't kid yourself. My bullies, particularly the chief bully, knew exactly what they were doing. The chief bully actually complained to me that people were saying they were concerned at how I'd been screamed at and would I stop complaining. I told her I hadn't complained to anyone and perhaps she should ask people who had heard the screaming why they brought it up.

@Lookingforwardto2021

I think most people have some experience of bullying in the workplace. the grown up thing to do is to document it and raise it as an informal or formal grievance. You have to give the other person a chance. They may not know how they are coming across and it may also be that you are misreading the situation.

Like I said, wildly throwing accusations of bullying in the workplace without proper documentation and investigations is mischievous at best and defamatory at worst.

Very difficult though as the person already bullying you then knows that you've officially complained about them, and will most likely ramp up whatever bullying they're already doing. Pretty unlikely that the bully will give you a good reference when you do finally leave.

Most people just start looking for another job and resign, which it seems that a lot of MM's staff did.

I honestly feel that some posters are projecting.

Also, when someone asks that evidence be provided or that the matter be investigated, some posters accuse them of gaslighting.
We can’t just go around accusing people of being a bully .
Just imagine if you had a disagreement with someone at work and they went about telling everyone that you were a bully . You are then dismissed without any investigation taking place. How the hell would you feel?
I am not minimising bullying ( I assure you) , I am just saying that I would like to see or hear more evidence before I judge.

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One might even find it "almost unsurvivable", resign and move away, eh?

Not liking what you read in the press or social media is easily dealt with, don't read it.

Your boss screaming in your face, different as you can't just "not read them" and you need the job.

What I think is interesting about today is that I expected the interview to all be about pressure from the British Press, how awful the British press are etc. And by implication that means the British people as presumably the British press write what we want to read.

But it would seem there is also big resentment from both sides from the establishment point of view too.

In other words I thought all the problem was that the press didn't like Meghan for some reason (possibly racist) and now it seems that the KP and BP staff didn't like Meghan for some reason. Same reason? Or because she was unpleasant? Or a bit of both?

I think most people have some experience of bullying in the workplace. the grown up thing to do is to document it and raise it as an informal or formal grievance. The trouble was in my case and a lot of others was that my boss was a head teacher and you need a good reference from your head teacher to move to another school. Without exception.
You can switch off your social media and ignore print newspapers. But you cannot avoid meeting your bully at your place of work.
In fact if anyone is nasty to me on Twitter I don't give it a second thought. I just block.
The implication here is that bullied people are weak people who cannot stand up for themselves. It usually isn't the case. The bullied person is often extremely good at their job and engenders jealousy in the bully.

@VinylDetective, oh I’ve been bullied! I know what I am talking about.

I honestly feel that some posters are projecting

Of course we’re projecting. I can only speak for myself but this discussion has resurrected some memories I’d really rather not have brought to the surface again. To be honest reading The Times article this morning did the same.

You are most definitely minimising bullying and its effect on its victims.

Jason Knauf a liar? The Times liars? Thomas Markle estranged and a liar? Samantha Markle estranged and a liar? the newly estranged BRF all a bunch of liars? staff complaining of bullying all liars? staff who had a teacup lobbed at them a liar? have I missed any out? an elderly GF's long held military ranks handed over "don't cock it up" fucked off in under 5 years. the Queen's (The Queen!) lifetime of duty in service to her country treated like shit on a shoe. a pattern is emerging. hmmm.

Oprah's no fool, the word "unsurvivable" is incendiary given Harry's spectacularly dead mother, its designed to get people watching her show and she'll make a lot of money from it. But after that what have H&M got left to say or sell? Harry using those words when they had vast royal estates to hide in and royal protection teams in the UK compared to a google-street-viewable Californian McMansion is a bizarre notion. And Meghan doesn't strike me as the sort who needs a man protecting her from anything. All of this while his GF is potentially dying leaves their 'brand' and any whinging about how bloody unfair life is dead in the water.

Jason Knauf a liar? The Times liars? Thomas Markle estranged and a liar? Samantha Markle estranged and a liar? the newly estranged BRF all a bunch of liars? staff complaining of bullying all liars? staff who had a teacup lobbed at them a liar? have I missed any out? an elderly GF's long held military ranks handed over "don't cock it up" fucked off in under 5 years. the Queen's (The Queen!) lifetime of duty in service to her country treated like shit on a shoe. a pattern is emerging. hmmm

Spot on.

Not liking what you read in the press or social media is easily dealt with, don't read it.

One could say the same of the sort of social media and email bullying which leads to suicide, "don't read it", "close the screen", "delete the app", "block them", "ignore them, sticks and stones", we don't though, do we?

Because it's still bullying.

What’s this about throwing a hot cup of tea? Link? Surely if that’s true, that’s the headline, not some anonymous bullying

@Mockolate

H and M however are not prepared to do that . I suspect ( obviously no proof ) that M is driving the desire for interviews etc as she clearly has an axe to grind

You say yourself you're just wildly speculating (ie, no proof) so why even insinuate that?
Just wondering why you'd automatically go to M "having an axe to grind" (?) and "driving things?"
Why not Harry?
Or why not they're both wanting to speak out about how they were treated?

to be fair they have both spoken out about the way they were treated ,which was not exactly badly , but they seem determined to keep on and on with it , it does not look good for them as now its more like a persecution of the royal family than anything else whilst making themselves appear to be victims

@OliverBabish

What’s this about throwing a hot cup of tea? Link? Surely if that’s true, that’s the headline, not some anonymous bullying

i asked for it, but surprisingly (or not) no evidence was provided.

www.itv.com/news/2021-03-03/what-the-decision-by-royal-sources-to-approach-media-over-meghan-markle-bullying-claims-means

@Lookingforwardto2021

“Kate has never proclaimed to be a feminist or a promoter of social equality as far as I am aware. I accept she may have been hypocritical in other ways though”

I don’t get it. So it is better to be misogynistic through and through, rather than be a feminist who sometimes falls short?

I would rather someone was honest about their character (or didn’t try to obscure it) than lie.

Jason Knauf a liar? The Times liars? Thomas Markle estranged and a liar? Samantha Markle estranged and a liar? the newly estranged BRF all a bunch of liars? staff complaining of bullying all liars? staff who had a teacup lobbed at them a liar? have I missed any out? an elderly GF's long held military ranks handed over "don't cock it up" fucked off in under 5 years. the Queen's (The Queen!) lifetime of duty in service to her country treated like shit on a shoe. a pattern is emerging. hmmm.

Wholeheartedly agree.