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Things you do that your Mother doesn't approve of/thinks are unladylike

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noirchatsdeux · 01/03/2021 17:57

Lighthearted!

My mother thinks it's terrible that I drink beer. Ladies don't drink beer. I'm 52 and she still pouts when she knows I've had some!

Any other unladylike ladies on here?

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Number3BigCupOfTea · 03/03/2021 10:18

🍷 they're not!

🙈😂

stampsurprise · 03/03/2021 10:19

@nameisnotimportant

Eating anything while walking in the street/on my way to somewhere and saying fuck
What?! All at once?! How unladylike! Grin
LadyDanburysCane · 03/03/2021 10:34

My stepmother thinks it’s appalling that I do my own cleaning! “Thank heavens your poor fathers friends have no idea that you don’t have a cleaner, it’s so embarrassing for him that you behave so low class”.

His REAL friends do know me (and generally can’t stand her) so probably know I don’t have a cleaner and my mother never had a cleaner either!

Branleuse · 03/03/2021 10:46

Tattoos. Apparently i only do it to upset her

sqirrelfriends · 03/03/2021 10:57

Not my mum but my aunt thinks dresses must always be worn with tights, even in the heat.

We went to a christening a few years ago, it was sweltering. The mother of the child wore a dress with heeled sandals. Aunt was aghast, in a church of all places and no hat either. (I was also not wearing tights, nor was anyone else as far as I could tell).

Number3BigCupOfTea · 03/03/2021 11:09

Don't they get that times change!!

I once said to my mother that i wasnt seeking the approval women of her generation. I said I do care what people think to a degree, but if i spent time wondering what people think, it would be my own generation or younger. That silenced her. Probably made her feel shit!! But she thinks nothing of telling me all the ways i am 'wrong' like she is helping me.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 03/03/2021 11:56

I've been thinking about this, and I just don't recognise these women! I'm not doubting they exist - obviously they do, and a depressing number of you have been dealing with them all your lives - but I'm very fortunate not to know any!

My mum is 65, a true feminist and career woman, has been single and independent all her life, and is as unladylike as they come!

Both my MIL and step-MIL are in their 70s, and both had high-flying careers - MIL in a field which is almost entirely male-dominated now, never mind when she started it in the 60s. By the end of it she was charging £1k a day as a consultant. She's a loud, lively woman who likes a drink.

Step-MIL is much more of a "traditional" - member of the WI, elegant, softly-spoken, rarely drinks - but she's never treated me with anything but love and respect. If either of them disapprove of me they've kept it very well hidden all these years!

In fact, now I think of it, there are loads of inspiring older women in my life. My former teacher, still running her own drama school in her 70s. She raised a son by herself, and is still absolutely formidable. A friend in her 80s who started her career as a chemist, then had a mid-life career change and became a dresser on the West End, and now runs her own fashion business. A cousin who in her 80s lives abroad and hosts music festivals.

Reading about all these judgemental, narrow-minded women who've lived such constrained, restricted lives, I feel even more grateful to have them in my life!

noirchatsdeux · 03/03/2021 12:12

My mother is 80 this year, and was brought up in a strict Catholic household in Australia...which, as she freely admits, was a good 20 years behind the rest of the world in attitudes etc at the time.

It was not a good combination. Her attitudes and taste were (and still are mostly) very firmly rooted in the 50s when she was bringing her only daughter up in the 70s/80s...she honestly thought I would follow her life exactly, in that I'd have 3 kids before I was 25 and would be a stay at home mother. I was never encouraged to aim for a good career...or any career at all.

It annoys me now because my mother is not a stupid or blind woman...she must have realised that by the 70s the world was changing - particularly economically - and that for most women being a SAHM is no longer a choice.

She also willfully ignored that from the age of 9 I was quite clear that I didn't want children. I remember the day I got my first job as a newspaper reporter, at just 21, 3 months after my first marriage. She was so disappointed when I told her - she thought I was going to tell her I was pregnant.

I don't think I've stopped disappointing her since. As I tell others "that's fine, she's disappointed me a lot too, so we are even"

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sashh · 03/03/2021 12:50

Reading about all these judgemental, narrow-minded women who've lived such constrained, restricted lives, I feel even more grateful to have them in my life!

I went to a girls' school run by nuns so there was no escape at school. We even had to do a huge project for RE on 'marriage' including a list of good places to meet a husband.

noirchatsdeux

That sound similar to mine, she only took me seriously about not wanting children when I got engaged to someone who also didn't want them, then that was OK because it was a man telling her.

Our relationship improved after her death.

VegetarianDeathCult · 03/03/2021 13:17

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

I've been thinking about this, and I just don't recognise these women! I'm not doubting they exist - obviously they do, and a depressing number of you have been dealing with them all your lives - but I'm very fortunate not to know any!

My mum is 65, a true feminist and career woman, has been single and independent all her life, and is as unladylike as they come!

Both my MIL and step-MIL are in their 70s, and both had high-flying careers - MIL in a field which is almost entirely male-dominated now, never mind when she started it in the 60s. By the end of it she was charging £1k a day as a consultant. She's a loud, lively woman who likes a drink.

Step-MIL is much more of a "traditional" - member of the WI, elegant, softly-spoken, rarely drinks - but she's never treated me with anything but love and respect. If either of them disapprove of me they've kept it very well hidden all these years!

In fact, now I think of it, there are loads of inspiring older women in my life. My former teacher, still running her own drama school in her 70s. She raised a son by herself, and is still absolutely formidable. A friend in her 80s who started her career as a chemist, then had a mid-life career change and became a dresser on the West End, and now runs her own fashion business. A cousin who in her 80s lives abroad and hosts music festivals.

Reading about all these judgemental, narrow-minded women who've lived such constrained, restricted lives, I feel even more grateful to have them in my life!

I think that class and education must form part of it. My mother is from a very poor rural background, and was taken out of school to work at 13, and brought up to hand over her wages to her widowed mother and to step off the footpath and bless herself when the parish priest approached -- she is not a questioning spirit, and I have difficulty blaming her for that, as nothing in her life ever gave her the sense that circumstances could be fought, and that dissent from anyone in authority was possible. As a result, she's a timid, people-pleasing 70something, who has deferred all her life to anyone, especially men, whom she perceives as being 'in authority' and she's terrified of being judged, after a childhood and youth as being the conspicuously non-coping family, even when my grandmother prioritised 'respectable' clothes over food for her children when it was a choice between the two.

More damagingly, she doesn't approach things in a critical spirit, and tends to believe anything that anyone tells her that sounds authoritative, especially if that person is male, whether it's a priest, the local racist radio presenter, some columnist in the local paper.

But she has not understood all her life that her daughters are not her, and she feels she will be judged negatively for the 'wrong' decisions we have made whether that's prioritising careers, unapologetically taking up space, behaving as though we are important, not marrying or not having a big white church wedding, remaining childfree, wearing our hair long after 30, not presenting in a sufficiently 'feminine' manner etc. It took her months to recover after I was on a high-profile programme on national TV and corrected a male fellow-expert on a panel on an incorrect assertion in her view that was 'Vegetarian making a show of herself on TV'. She has a horror of female confidence.

I love her, and I bear with her, because her early life made her what she was, and she didn't have the resources to fight the ingrained assumptions and prejudices that life gave her, or to understand that her children chose not to follow her into deferential, self-damaging people-pleasing and living her life according to the twin mantras 'Expect nothing and you don't be disappointed' and 'Never stand out from the crowd'.

SugarfreeBlitz · 03/03/2021 13:26

Re Our relationship improved after her death. @sashh wow, that's honest and is the most real thing I've read all day. I hope it won't come to that , but am realistic that it might. Flowers

My mother always thinks men are more important as well. So sad for her wasted life of limited sucesses and all because she thinks so little of her own gender.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 03/03/2021 13:32

Of all the women I've mentioned, only one of them (my step-MIL) came from anything other than a very poor, working class background, @VegetarianDeathCult. MIL in particular came from a very poor background, as her dad ran off when she was a baby and left her mum to raise her alone - no joke in 1950s Scotland.

goldielockdown2 · 03/03/2021 13:39

Mine is just very messed up and doesn't like women very much.
She thinks other women especially single mothers like me are 'tarts' (hello 1970s) and promiscuous as standard, but would love for me to advertise on a sugar daddy/gold digger website to acquire a man who would pay for everything in exchange for a younger attractive woman, and can't see why I wouldn't do that.
Also, creeps paying you attention is the ultimate compliment and you must smile and laugh at their shit jokes and advances as they are being so complimentary so you owe them whatever they want.
Women and transactions seem to be the common theme, it's very sad.

VegetarianDeathCult · 03/03/2021 13:41

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

Of all the women I've mentioned, only one of them (my step-MIL) came from anything other than a very poor, working class background, *@VegetarianDeathCult*. MIL in particular came from a very poor background, as her dad ran off when she was a baby and left her mum to raise her alone - no joke in 1950s Scotland.
Then I suppose we're left with strength of character, or women who found it in themselves to challenge and break rules. In fact my grandmother, my mother's mother, had also been left by her husband, who was living with another woman when he died, but my grandmother's response was to try to fit in, not stand out, look 'respectable', condemn irregularity in other people, and my mother inherited this desperate fear of being 'othered' or not coming from 'a good family'.

They all sound admirable.

nestlestealswater · 03/03/2021 13:58

Also, creeps paying you attention is the ultimate compliment and you must smile and laugh at their shit jokes and advances as they are being so complimentary so you owe them whatever they want.

YES! I remember once I was out for drinks with her and this obnoxious man kept coming over and trying to chat me up. Eventually, after many polite hints I said something like "I'm here to catch up with my mum, I don't want to talk to you." She was absolutely horrified that I would be SO RUDE and invited him to sit with us and talked to him for ages, I suppose to make up for my rudeness Hmm I think he was the rude one, interrupting us and deliberately ignoring hints!

SugarfreeBlitz · 03/03/2021 14:00

[quote goldielockdown2 ]Mine is just very messed up and doesn't like women very much.
She thinks other women especially single mothers like me are 'tarts' (hello 1970s) and promiscuous as standard, but would love for me to advertise on a sugar daddy/gold digger website to acquire a man who would pay for everything in exchange for a younger attractive woman, and can't see why I wouldn't do that.
Also, creeps paying you attention is the ultimate compliment and you must smile and laugh at their shit jokes and advances as they are being so complimentary so you owe them whatever they want.
Women and transactions seem to be the common theme, it's very sad. [/quote]
Ewwww yuk. So sorry for you. It is very sad.

Mine also sucks up to creepy men, just because they are men. I warned her about a particular lech once and then found her talking to him and she was all smiles Confused

SugarfreeBlitz · 03/03/2021 14:02

@nestlestealswater

Also, creeps paying you attention is the ultimate compliment and you must smile and laugh at their shit jokes and advances as they are being so complimentary so you owe them whatever they want.

YES! I remember once I was out for drinks with her and this obnoxious man kept coming over and trying to chat me up. Eventually, after many polite hints I said something like "I'm here to catch up with my mum, I don't want to talk to you." She was absolutely horrified that I would be SO RUDE and invited him to sit with us and talked to him for ages, I suppose to make up for my rudeness Hmm I think he was the rude one, interrupting us and deliberately ignoring hints!

This is awful and it's also a sign of your boundaries being breached. I never felt I was allowed any boundaries and have only started to develop any since having therapy.

I suppose it all comes back down to "people pleasing", which is motivated by fear. These days I try not to people please, but to be authentic. My mother is horrified.

goldielockdown2 · 03/03/2021 14:54

Honestly, the first thing I'm going to teach my DD when she's at going out age is to tell men who want to insert themselves into her night out, to bugger off if she wants to. I'd actually encourage her to tell them to outright fuck off if it wasn't a violence risk. Let these men go and disturb other men's nights out if they want to be so friendly.

Liverpool52 · 03/03/2021 22:28

Hair should never be tied back and middle partings are of the devil.

Number3BigCupOfTea · 03/03/2021 22:49

''I don't think I've stopped disappointing her since. As I tell others "that's fine, she's disappointed me a lot too, so we are even"

I like this @noirchatsdeux for a long time I felt a bit sick and anxious when my mother wasn't happy with me for whatever reason. She recently hurt me a lot (not for the first time) and I told her, and she has thrown herself up on the cross and given me the silent treatment ever since, and my Dad and my brother think she's the victim of me. It is like pushing water up hill trying to get through to them that all I did was say stop calling me names (that is it in a nutshell).

I envy people who have mothers who were comfortable in their own skin. My mother is one of the most defensive people I've ever encountered. She cannot say sorry. She will die before she says sorry to me and I will not be able to think well of her. I wish she'd just show a tiny bit of remorse, or at least acknowledge that it was not great parenting to label me paranoid, difficult, awkward and sensitive for over 35+ years. Longer maybe. That's when I noticed it.

SusieSusieSoo · 03/03/2021 22:50

Allowing Ds (8) to sleep in my bed. I'm a LP. He is a brilliant boy & sometimes he likes to come in with me. Utterly terrible apparently....

3CCC · 03/03/2021 23:34

@Liverpool52

Hair should never be tied back and middle partings are of the devil.
What's wrong with tied back hair or a middle parting ???ConfusedConfusedConfused
SingingSands · 04/03/2021 00:01

My mum despairs that I won't dye my hair to cover my greys. I have an MI allergy so can't use hair dye, and anyway, I like my silver streaks!

I am also a terrible wife because I do not wash nor iron DH's work shirts. Apparently this is "ridiculous". When she pointed out she'd washed and ironed my father's shirts for 50 years I replied "more fool you then" and she was so angry she stopped talking to me for the rest of the day.

And breastfeeding past 6 weeks was frowned upon. First time she put so much pressure on me to stop that I got really stressed out and ended up stopping at 4 months. Second time I ignored her, breastfed for 2.5yrs and never told her.

SugarfreeBlitz · 04/03/2021 00:11

Im borrowing this! 'I don't think I've stopped disappointing her since. As I tell others "that's fine, she's disappointed me a lot too, so we are even"

SugarfreeBlitz · 04/03/2021 08:42

I am currently having the silent treatment just for needing medical tests and admitting it (stupid me, don't I learn!). This has been the story of my life that any time I have health problems, she turns on me or turns against me. I have never had any validation, support or kindness during health problems, only bullying by other family members who she drafts in.

In the past I planned suicide, (see my other post if you want). But now I am living despite her. The silent treatment she thinks is a punishment is actually a break in the clouds as I am now Low Contact.

I just want to say to anyone if they are being badly treated, this is not about you. It was never about you. It's about her and who she is.

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