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Prince Philip

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Biscoffaddict · 20/02/2021 18:01

Just head that Prince Charles has been to visit him in hospital due to ‘exceptional circumstances’. He’s never visited him in hospital before and apparently left looking emotional. It doesn’t look good does it? I wonder how this will play out given the pandemic?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/03/2021 22:26

What I mean is, being a prince doesn't mean that a state marriage isn't legal. I think!

The point seems to be that we simply don't know. The whole thing was considered contentious enough at the time for it to be referred to the Lord Chancellor for advice, and that advice has been sealed during the Prince's lifetime

Some ask why that was considered necessary if it vindicated what our pettish prince wanted - why indeed he wouldn't have been only too glad for it to be seen - but only he knows the answer to that, and he's saying nowt

GoLightlyontheEarth · 02/03/2021 22:26

I think the Andrew situation must have caused a lot of upset to both the Queen and PP, yes. I’m not saying it’s just Hand M. There have been a lot of family issues which must have put them under considerable strain.

HairyToity · 02/03/2021 22:27

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CoffeeRunner · 02/03/2021 22:29

@GoLightlyontheEarth

I’m sure all those things really upset him. He tried to help Diana. He wrote to her and tried to talk to her. He’s now a very old man. His grandson has put two fingers up to the whole family and greatly upset his elderly wife. He adored Harry, entrusted him with cherished patronages. Was there for him when his mother died. I’m sure he is very upset that he is most probably going to die soon without having seen Harry for a year , leaving his wife to continue to cope without his emotional support. The Queen has to deal with her constitutional role and her difficult family situation at a very advanced age, and most probably is soon to be widowed. It would not be surprising if all the emotional stress has caused him to become ill.
Maybe he’s happy that his loved & cherished grandson is living his life in a way that makes him happy.
JustLyra · 02/03/2021 22:35

@VinylDetective

It's constitutionally questionable if he could marry in a civil ceremony under the Marriage Act

We haven’t got a constitution. The marriage received a church blessing conducted by the Archbishop of Canterbury. The 1953 Registration Act repealed the preceding act which forbade civil marriage ceremonies for the monarchy, backed by the 2000 Human Rights Act.

The Church of England has a constitution and that is where the issues lie, apologies for being unclear.

The marriage act of 1949, nor the 1953 act, specifically repealled the civil marriage clause for the royal family.

The debate over it all lead to the need for a civil wedding rather than a religious wedding (a religious blessing means nothing in terms of his position as the head of the church really). The guidance and legal advice on why that route had to be take is sealed which, understandably, leads to questioning over what it says with regard to Charles' position as monarch and head of the church when the time comes. There's nothing odd or weird in that at all. If it was as clear cut as "it's legal" then the guidance wouldn't have been sealed until after Charles death.

JustLyra · 02/03/2021 22:37

being a prince doesn't mean that a state marriage isn't legal

The issue isn't specifically about while he's a prince. The issue is when he's King and head of the CofE.

TuesdayinSeptember · 02/03/2021 22:37

Not blaming but it certainly can’t help.

Except you said that their actions could have caused his illness. That's ridiculous and almost certainly untrue given his medical history.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/03/2021 22:48

Thank you, JustLyra, for the context you just added - you put it a lot better than I did Smile

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Number3BigCupOfTea · 02/03/2021 23:50

he's 99. At this point, an extra hermaseta in his tea could be fatal.

SilverBirchWithout · 03/03/2021 00:20

Personally I very much doubt whether Prince Phillip (a very old and infirm man for several years now) is much aware of what any of his grandchildren are up to, let alone feel stressed about a silly interview on TV in the United States.
People have a very strange perception of how the Royal Family works. Just because Meghan and Harry are such a big issue for many on this thread - the Queen and Prince Philip have 4 children, 8 grand children, Harry probably is really likely not to be that big a deal to them on a day to day basis.

GrimDamnFanjo · 03/03/2021 00:32

It's interesting that the H &M interview is now being spun as disrespectful to PP with his current illness. It's very handy for the media to paint them both as being hard hearted and self serving and now "contributing to PPS ill health."
I'm wondering whether they are now trying to delay the broadcast?

SilverBirchWithout · 03/03/2021 01:34

I hope not, they need to treat the UK press with the contempt they deserve.
Heaven forbid that I should feel sorry for any member of the royal family, but Harry and Meghan will be damned all their lives for whatever they do or don’t do. It’s just convenient for everybody to have them as pantomime villains. There has been a void since Princess Margaret died, partly filled by Charles for a while, and now Meghan is fulfilling that role.
I wonder who it will be in the next generation when they become adults - George, Charlotte, or Louis?
Maybe they should draw lots.

And why is the focus not on Andrew, I suspect the Press have been warned off.

wenning · 03/03/2021 01:42

The Times are reporting that MM bullied several royal aides during her time in the U.K.

AlternativePerspective · 03/03/2021 02:02

It's interesting that the H &M interview is now being spun as disrespectful to PP with his current illness. It's very handy for the media to paint them both as being hard hearted and self serving and now "contributing to PPS ill health." obviously the fact that he’s almost 100 and is of an age where most people aren’t even alive has nothing to do with it. Hmm the press are despicable.

Funny how they are focusing on the fact that Meghan (allegedly) bullied royal aids and yet the fact that Andrew had a friendship and associations with Harvey Weinstein only ever made the Sunday papers once.

Sparklingbrook · 03/03/2021 07:36

@wenning

The Times are reporting that MM bullied several royal aides during her time in the U.K.
What does this have to do with PP?
PicsInRed · 03/03/2021 07:54

@wenning

The Times are reporting that MM bullied several royal aides during her time in the U.K.
I saw that. A couple of staff were allegedly "terrified" of her. Hmm However I can't see any specific mention of what she actaully DID to the staff other than require them to do their jobs and give instructions in that vein - there is a lot of huffing and puffing about "how we do things here".

Apparently she was too "direct" in the manner she spoke to these people. Perhaps she didn't know her place?

Are the Royal dogs still allowed to bite staff, I wonder? How's Andy with the staff at paedo island?

TheKeatingFive · 03/03/2021 08:02

Margaret’s rude treatment of staff was legendary I believe. But I expect that was ok because she’s ‘blood’ Hmm

Port1aCastis · 03/03/2021 08:05

More press speculation and bollocks no doubt, why oh why can't they leave the woman alone it's nasty tedious and foul to pick on one woman like this. The Leveson inquiry clearly did no good as the vultures are still swooping, bitching about Meghan and fabricating bollocks sells papers and is clickbait for cash

VinylDetective · 03/03/2021 08:13

The marriage act of 1949, nor the 1953 act, specifically repealled the civil marriage clause for the royal family

According to four legal experts the 1953 act did repeal the 1836 act. This is what they said at the time:

The Government are satisfied that it is lawful for the Prince of Wales and Mrs Parker-Bowles, like anyone else, to marry by a civil ceremony in accordance with Part III of the Marriage Act 1949. Civil marriages were introduced in England, by the Marriage Act 1836. Section 45 said that the Act "... shall not extend to the marriage of any of the Royal Family". But the provisions on civil marriage in the 1836 Act were repealed by the Marriage Act 1949. All remaining parts of the 1836 Act, including Section 45, were repealed by the Registration Service Act 1953. No part of the 1836 Act therefore remains on the statute book. ... We are aware that different views have been taken in the past; but we consider that these were overcautious, and we are clear that the interpretation I have set out in this Statement is correct. We also note that the Human Rights Act has since 2000 required legislation to be interpreted wherever possible in a way that is compatible with the right to marry (Article 12) and with the right to enjoy that right without discrimination (Article 14). This, in our view, puts the modern meaning of the 1949 Act beyond doubt.

LoveYourUsername · 03/03/2021 08:14

If you want to talk about Harry and M, start a new thread. Angry

This was about concern for PP.

It's turned into a gossip factory about all the Royals.

Put a sock in it.

Roussette · 03/03/2021 08:18

Exactly.
I take no notice of the DT, it's the posh version of the DM.

No wonder they left. They saw the writing on the wall. They knew it would never ever stop. Harry saw it with his mother, the awful headlines... she was difficult, she upset staff, she was mad. They do the same to his wife.
When the Palace want to step in, they can. They don't though.

There is footage out there of journalists being asked to write made up stories about MM

Roussette · 03/03/2021 08:20

LoveYourUsername
Quite happy to stop. IF posters stop coming on here blaming H&M for PP being in hospital and for making him ill.

VinylDetective · 03/03/2021 08:25

There is footage out there of journalists being asked to write made up stories about MM

Is there? Can we have a link to it? Catch yourself on, The Times is nothing like The Fail.

WinnieTheW0rm · 03/03/2021 08:26

There is a separate thread now about The Times report today

So, back to Prince Philip

They said early on that there would be no running commentary, but there would be the odd update. So I'm hoping that 'no news is good news' as I would like him to make his century and see the birth of two more great-grand children. And ideally make it to the Platinum Jubilee as HMQ is into her 70th year now