Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Wishing them all the best

Hi Rousette Hi Sparkling how are you both, I've been off the site for a bit
Same shit different day hey!

@Port1aCastis

Hi Rousette Hi Sparkling how are you both, I've been off the site for a bit Same shit different day hey!

Hellooo! You are not wrong.

All good here thanks.

Oh yes... nothing much changes Port!a,

I remember reading one of these threads back last year while on a train home from a rugby match at Twickenham and I think you were on it Rousette can't remember if you were Sparkling but it was much of a muchness anyway and that was last February

The obsession with Rosette and sparkling is quite strange and gives a weird vibe...

Hateful women would be happy if a mother, who is also expecting another child, had a mental health breakdown as a result of their relentless nasty racist, sexist online bullying.

It's abhorrent, the eagerness of the attacking by oddballs who think they're rational when they're barely a step above the EDL boneheads.

Of course if MM were 'the right type of woman' to them, they'd wind their necks in.

Harry's done his army service, raised loads for charity, as a boy walked behind his mum's coffin after she was hounded to death by the same media who now hate his wife and would do the same to her. & It's still not enough for the harpies baying for his blood because he didn't marry an English Rose.

I'm surprised they didn't fuck off out of the whole grey cold nastiness of it all ages ago. Who'd want to stay in that? Even now they're gone, the EDL-a-likes can't leave it alone.

Even if they chose to simply be Harry and Meghan, another complaint would be found.

He's the Queen's grandson. That will never change. You don't get to decide that she cuts him out/doesn't speak to him.

They'll always attract attention. Get used to it.

@stairway

I don’t feel particularly sorry for them, they have chosen the path of maximum attention in order to launch themselves and increase their riches. They can’t expect to be talked about with no criticism or negativity. I suspect any controversy will launch them further. I saw a baby girl dying on the news last night in Yemen. These are the people I feel sorry about, not obscenely rich attention seekers. They are surrounded by people fawning and praising them constantly.

I guess everyone on here is better off than the people in Yemen. Including posters here. Even ones who can't afford heat, have been abused by their partner etc etc. Do you go on every thread and say 'I saw a baby girl dying on the news last night in Yemen. These are the people I feel sorry about, not you, sorry I don't care if your partner hit you last night or if you can't afford heating bills'? No of course you don't. You only do it to "obscenely rich" people who are in the public eye and get attention. Which shows what your real issue is.

Jealousy.

And on the contrary! They are surrounded by (at least the public and media) people criticising them and tearing them to pieces constantly.

[quote Chocolo]@Roussette why do you comment on every thread there is about them?

Are you what they call a super fan?

It’s something I’ve noticed lately and it’s left me curious.[/quote]
Why don't you ask why their haters comment on every thread there is about them? If I dislike someone, I don't click on the thread.

Quite simple.

Yet the people who hate them simply can't help themselves. They're bullies and come to these threads for one reason only.

@stairway

I don’t see why they need defending though, wouldn’t it be easier to accept not everyone likes them or what they do and it’s ok to discuss this.

Some people care enough to defend victims of bullying and online abuse.

Obviously you don't understand that concept.

And you still don't get it. The abuse - racist, sexist etc that Meghan in particular has received is far, FAR more than people merely not liking them. It goes way beyond that. Hence why decent people defend her/them. You either engage in bullying, ignore bullying and be a silent bystander, or you call it out and stand against it. Those are the 3 categories. I am proud to be in the category that stands up for women and women of colour who are being vilified online. I could not look at myself in the mirror if I didn't. The standard you walk past, is the standard you accept.

@stairway

Roussette you seem to dislike all criticism as well though, any comment which isn’t positive you jump on. Rich people in the public eye do get a lot of unkind things said about them. however they are also surrounded by adorers and by people paid to big them up. They are not suffering in front of a laptop saying why are the mummies on Mumsnet being so unkind.

Again, we can see your issue appears to be that they are "rich". Therefore, you and others feel 'entitled' to slag them off. You seem to have a real issue with rich people and famous people, and feel that they have human feelings and if they do, too bad, they are rich and therefore need taking down a peg or two.

Caroline Flack was famous, and relatively rich.

She committed suicide due to the online abuse she received.

What will it take, for you to realise that these famous people are PEOPLE? If journos/columnists/tv hosts write vitriolic articles and in turn readers embrace the gossip and vitriol and engage in it, the journos/columnists/tv hosts will see that it sells, so will keep writing these articles that fuel the hatred. It doesn't matter how rich and famous someone is, sometimes it can just get far too much. If Meghan suicides, will you be proud of yourself? Probably. Because she is rich and famous therefore deserves people taking out their bitterness, their frustrations, their envy on.

@Chocolo

No I think it’s personal taste, some people like Trump (enter any other much discussed celeb here) and might be upset by others disliking him but it doesn’t mean they get to shut down the conversation.

Is your motivation on these threads to never have a bad word said against the couple? Or to get rid of the threads? Obviously you’re free not to answer if you find that question too personal.

What is your motivation on this thread? To derail? To pick at people defending them? To suggest if someone defends a celebrity, then that means that person must defend every celeb? Seriously desperate, reaching for straws stuff there. You seem to be annoyed that people come on here to defend Meghan and Harry. Why is that? What is your motivation on here, exactly? Other than to gaslight anyone who has the temerity to defend this couple?

In saying that, I’ve never seen you pop up on the many trump/boris/sturgeon/Katie price/Caroline flack/holly and Phil threads over the years and they definitely contain some terrible comments

This was the strangest post. How would anyone even remember which posters were on those threads let alone a specific one? And you would have to be on all those threads yourself to notice.

Please ignore my last post, I posted replies as I read through the thread and hadn't come across Lily's request re intentions.

Still it does make me wonder why someone zeros in on a defender, as if they are doing something wrong and deserve having their motivations questioned, YET don't bother asking the haters why they post on every M & H thread. Funny that, how people will zero in on a person defending someone and give them the third degree, but not people who hate them and actively seek out and post on someone they hate.

Very hypocritical.

I forgot previously to add that comparing Meghan to a list of white celebs just shows these detractors on here simply.....don't.......get......it. The fact is that most (not all but most) of the hatred of Meghan is based on her race. You simply cannot compare white celebs with someone of colour who was abused for being the wrong race and from the wrong country. People who try to say well what about all these others are missing the fundamental lynchpin as to why Meghan is being attacked and thus draws defenders.

I have been known to 'defend' Phillip Schofield I even 'defended' Amanda Holden the other day.
There are some famous people that you just can't have a reasonable discussion about on MN though. As soon as their name comes up I think 'oh here we go'.

David Bowie/Boy George/Ant McPartlin etc...

@Roussette

I am not a fan of them. However, I hate bullying, racism or any media abuse and pile on. People who have read my posts in this thread would think I am a fan of them. Not so. I couldn't have given a rats.....until I saw the bullying in the media and on here, and I feel in a way forced to defend them

And that is exactly how I feel too.
Don't like them, don't dislike them

I do however hate bullying and unfairness and they have been subjected to that by the bucketful
I have read some truly shocking things here and elsewhere said about them. Honestly stuff I could not repeat without feeling tainted. They have become this object of hate to hang your hat on if you are in the mood for having a poke at someone. Then it turns in to a habit you can't stop.

@Roussette sums up my feelings well. I think this is what a lot of people feel. the obsessive behaviour of some people who dislike them is very strange. like Roussette I have been hounded/ripped apart, just for not joining in with the online bullying.

Still it does make me wonder why someone zeros in on a defender, as if they are doing something wrong and deserve having their motivations questioned, YET don't bother asking the haters why they post on every M & H thread. Funny that, how people will zero in on a person defending someone and give them the third degree, but not people who hate them and actively seek out and post on someone they hate

Since Meghan Markle came on the scene, this has always been the case. Those that hate them were so so determined to have their own place on the internet to promulgate their dislike, their lies, their assumptions and false facts. Woe betide anyone like me and @Samcro and others who came on to say ....'actually that isn't strictly true', or 'what you are saying is unfair and wrong'.
We were rounded on, abused, trolled, for not being part of the club that hates. And yesterday's posts questioning my motives is all part of that from a NCer of old.

What will it take, for you to realise that these famous people are PEOPLE? If journos/columnists/tv hosts write vitriolic articles and in turn readers embrace the gossip and vitriol and engage in it, the journos/columnists/tv hosts will see that it sells, so will keep writing these articles that fuel the hatred. It doesn't matter how rich and famous someone is, sometimes it can just get far too much. If Meghan suicides, will you be proud of yourself? Probably. Because she is rich and famous therefore deserves people taking out their bitterness, their frustrations, their envy on

Exactly. I really like that post of yours @Cokie3.
I know from what I've read that there are people out there who are beyond desperate for the marriage to break up, and far worse. They are beside themselves with glee if they see a possibility of something bad happening. The neverending search for negative press about this couple is their mission. And I have no idea what drives them to feel so much bitterness. All I can say is, I am very glad I am not in their heads because it must be horrible in there.

I don’t have a problem with rich people per se, although I think the rich in general have caused so much human suffering over the centuries . I find the obscenely rich quite often very distasteful especially when they start lecturing other people like these two. I don’t really understand the endless sympathy and need to defend these two people from harmless gossip on a mums chat thread. The money they have could save thousands of lives in poverty stricken countries, if wealth was redistributed better. I feel some of you want to censor what is said about these people, that only positive things can be said. The media should only be aloud to report positively. I like being able to discuss things freely without being called names like , troll , Harpie, EDL supporter.

I don’t really understand the endless sympathy and need to defend these two people from harmless gossip on a mums chat thread

Oh please! There is a reason why MNHQ had to put a stop to these threads, it was taking up too much manpower to moderate. Whole threads were deleted continually, a huge number of posts deleted.

It is as far from 'harmless gossip' as it could possibly be.

I could link some tweets from yesterday showing something really positive they have just done for a womens shelter in Texas, replacing their roof after last week's awful storms but hey... that's a positive thing and not welcome probably.

It is mainly harmless gossip Roussette, there is nothing wrong with discussing and analysing what the rich and powerful get up to. Most of the name calling has been done by the Meghan supporters who don’t like the couple being criticised. We live in a free country , we can discuss the rich and powerful. They have a lot of influence over things, it’s ok to pick holes in it. If they don’t want to influence/ be criticised they can live a relatively quiet life like Princess Anne.

'Pick holes' that just about sums it up.

@stairway

It is mainly harmless gossip Roussette, there is nothing wrong with discussing and analysing what the rich and powerful get up to. Most of the name calling has been done by the Meghan supporters who don’t like the couple being criticised. We live in a free country , we can discuss the rich and powerful. They have a lot of influence over things, it’s ok to pick holes in it. If they don’t want to influence/ be criticised they can live a relatively quiet life like Princess Anne.

That's simply untrue. Entire threads have been removed due to the 'harmless gossip' much of which I wouldn't care to repeat, and posters who objected to the venom aimed in particular at MM have faced some nasty bullying.

Discuss fine

Annihilate not fine.

Personally I'm not into picking holes in others and calling it harmless gossip! They have no influence over you whatsoever, they are just living their lives. As I say, there is a reason that hundreds of posts and threads were deleted.

Personally I'm not into picking holes in others and calling it harmless gossip!

Exactly.