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Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Standrewsschool · 14/02/2021 19:43

Wishing them all the best

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AKissAndASmile · 19/02/2021 08:08

@MissEliza

I will add I have studied women's and African American studies at undergraduate level in the U.S,
Course you have
AKissAndASmile · 19/02/2021 08:09

Oh my word. I have a fucking masters degree you moron in addition to a first class honours degree. Oh I forgot my additional post graduate diploma. Do fuck off.

They've certainly not made you more articulate

LetMeBubble · 19/02/2021 10:47

Let’s not allow people to turn this thread toxic because it will then be taken down. I think it’s good for us to have a platform where we can challenge the moral interpretations of public phenomena so we can grow as a society.

I don’t care for the royal family.. but I do care about this because it’s exposed an underlying issue in our society that affects the ordinary people much more than it would a royal person who might have the resources to defend themselves.

At least we need to address the issues that might affect those who remain voiceless but are indeed affected by similar society ethics that need a bit of shaking and scrutinising.

Whatever it is, racism/ misogyny or not.. the debate needs to happen because dehumanising a person for no moral fault of their own is usually the first step to cruelty. And if it’s normalised for a royal on the public eye then it would have its ripple effect in the general population..

The power dynamic is slightly more exaggerated when it’s a world class royal vs a commoner who just joined the family. And coupled with underlying racial superiority/insecurity issues it could easily be a tool used to further misogyny. And the combination of power, misogyny and covert racism is just toxic.

I have zero interest in how she fits in or represents the royal family and her role . I probably should care but I don’t. Because I generally am a republican.

And I acknowledge that part of the motive behind the scrutiny might be her lack of ability to fit the role or whatever. I haven’t investigated it to form an opinion. And quite frankly whether that’s true or not has no significance to society in general aside from the very few royalists who are having their fantasy destroyed.

However it is shameful to now realise whichever side of the argument you are, that an element of racism and misogyny was used as a tool to propagate dislike of Meghan.. whether the dislike is motivated by something legitimate or not with regards to her role it’s not a matter of major significance when compared to the effect of normalising sexism and racism on the masses who are following up her story.

So I’m not a royalist but I am a humanist and I would like to think that many of us are.. so any debates on the royal role and title doesn’t interest me but when I see a phenomena of normalising something ethically regressive to our society I take interest.

And royalists, if they’re unable to seperate their fascination with royalty from their duty towards their actual country in filtering out all the toxic racism and misogyny, then it’s a bit ironic. And strikes of very low moral integrity.

It shouldn’t be mutually exclusive to criticise Meghan’s breaches of royal protocol (if such ) while still criticising -if not more loudly so- the racial/misogynist abuse that she received in the name of the royal family by tabloids.

The fact that many royal fans are defending the honour of the royal family by turning a blind eye on those that dehumanising Meghan through all those isms, is quite telling. Disheartening too.

When you have such a loud voice, obvious from the extreme opinionated outspokenness about how she should or should not act as a royal... yet you seem to park all opinions and speach when she is obviously publically faced with something that if we normalise would damage our society... then I think that’s really really telling about priorities.

Royal protocol doesnt trump humanism. And the voices should reflect as much. That’s what it boils down to.

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Roussette · 19/02/2021 10:53

The fact that many royal fans are defending the honour of the royal family by turning a blind eye on those that dehumanising Meghan through all those isms, is quite telling. Disheartening too

Sadly that is what they do. Repeatedly.

Excellent post

LetMeBubble · 19/02/2021 11:03

And really, the ridiculous argument on wanting to defend Britishness and royalty by picking on how a woman posts a photo smiling at her husband and rubbing her belly.. saying that she is using her royal title to gain popularity..

As opposed to directly turning a blind eye to a royal member who was sleeping with young girls and facing no consequence.. using his royal title as a way out of his immorality..

Then the real question is, what IS the role of the royal family members?! If it’s not to be responsible for progressing the moral integrity of society and represent England internationally then what exactly is the vision here ??

To conserve the Britishness ?! The bloodline ? Well they’re originally Germans aren’t they.

So let’s not scrutinise Meghan for not fitting a role that we even dont know what it’s all about. And let’s not scrutinise her moral integrity and authenticity, when the whole establishment aren’t about that !

Roussette · 19/02/2021 11:16

This has always been my argument on here. I've been called a stan, a fangirl, etc of MM.

I'm not. I'm pretty indifferent as it happens. It's always been about the injustice to me. The fact that certain members of the RF can do what they want with no redress but she is pilloried for crossing her legs in the wrong way.

I think they have been treated appallingly in certain quarters. Because MM is different. She doesn't fit the mould of what is expected. Good I say!

The RF need the biggest shake up ever and to me, it was an extremely brave move for these two to walk away, HH to protect his wife and child and MM to protect her dignity.

stairway · 19/02/2021 11:39

Rousette, do you think that Meghan would have stayed in the UK then, if the press had been kinder? I don’t think she would have ever been happy playing second fiddle to Kate and opening schools/factories? For me it is obvious she wanted the royal connections and title to launch her celebrity career in the US. Apart from London she has shown no interest in the UK so she wasn’t never going to stay here.

AIMummy · 19/02/2021 11:57

@LetMeBubble

And really, the ridiculous argument on wanting to defend Britishness and royalty by picking on how a woman posts a photo smiling at her husband and rubbing her belly.. saying that she is using her royal title to gain popularity..

As opposed to directly turning a blind eye to a royal member who was sleeping with young girls and facing no consequence.. using his royal title as a way out of his immorality..

Then the real question is, what IS the role of the royal family members?! If it’s not to be responsible for progressing the moral integrity of society and represent England internationally then what exactly is the vision here ??

To conserve the Britishness ?! The bloodline ? Well they’re originally Germans aren’t they.

So let’s not scrutinise Meghan for not fitting a role that we even dont know what it’s all about. And let’s not scrutinise her moral integrity and authenticity, when the whole establishment aren’t about that !

Yes lol this tickles me also especially when some posters talk about the 'real British' or the 'horror' of intermarrying in 'other' cultures, conveniently forgetting the Queen and Prince Phillip are cousins or that the RF are descendants of German immigrants 😂 .
Roussette · 19/02/2021 12:02

I don’t think she would have ever been happy playing second fiddle to Kate and opening schools/factories?

How many factories and schools has Kate opened? Honestly, really.

You are saying she just wanted the fame with nothing else. And it is a hypothetical question about the Press because they did treat her badly, very.
You are also pitting two women against each other which is exactly what the press tried to do.

So basically, in answer... what is obvious to you, is not necessarily obvious to me.

stairway · 19/02/2021 12:14

I have no idea how many Kate has opened although she is above Meghan in terms of status so has a better role and will do the more interesting work like tea with the Obama’s. She plays her role well in the way Diana never did and she knows how to keep the press at bay. I find Kate irritating at times as well but it’s clear she wanted the role she signed up for. It’s not so much pitting women against each other, rather giving you an explanation why the two women are treated differently. Mainly because they are very different and wanted different things from their royal marriage.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 12:19

I have no idea how many Kate has opened
Forgetting covid, it's not very transparent what Kate does really... although she is the perfect Royal wife. Look good, have no opinions to speak of, and don't rock the boat.

Meghan is friends with the Obamas so I think she doesn't need tea with them in Buckingham Palace.

Yes they are very different and that is a good thing to me.

LetMeBubble · 19/02/2021 12:27

I'm not. I'm pretty indifferent as it happens. It's always been about the injustice to me. The fact that certain members of the RF can do what they want with no redress but she is pilloried for crossing her legs in the wrong way.

Yes, it’s just about the double standards for me too Roussette.

You are also pitting two women against each other which is exactly what the press tried to do.

Exactly. I agree with you.

stairway How many of us have paid ANY interest in any of the men who married into the royal family and wondered whether they did it to progress their careers and fame?

I mean, isn’t Eugenie or her sister married to a man with a child already? Did ANYONE speculate about the fact he has history of being married like the way it was for Meghan? Isn’t he also Italian and not British?

I’m trying to think whether it’s due to him being so close to the throne. Perhaps if princess Charlotte grows up and gets with a male actress from
Hollywood , who quits his job to join the royal family.. would he receive this level of scrutiny and abuse? To be honest I don’t think so but I could be wrong and it’s worth exploring.

I note that when there is a conflict of interest between Meghan’s Hollywood background and the Royal family. Which might be igniting those strong speculations and worries in a battle of trying to discredit her before she can use her position in fame to be an insider vocal piece despite the royal protocol.

It’s fine. It’s a shit show that doesn’t concern me. I have better things to worry about. I personally don’t know or care what her motives are. The British royalty is irrelevant to me and so is her role and her!.

But to use misogyny and racism as a way to discredit her DOES concern me! For British tabloids to give a platform for misogyny and racism in order to defend the honour of the royal family is extremely crossing the line with us, the public. We pay taxes for the royal family so the least they could do is not be a reason to propagate immorality in society. And tabloids are doing this in their names. Tabloids need to be more politically correct.

And right now Meghan is standing up for herself, for her career, for her fame, for her money digging motives ?? Frankly I don’t care. What’s in it for me is that she is resisting that platform that’s being created for racism and misogyny by the tabloids and that suits me very much. She might not be doing it for the right reasons but I don’t care! It serves me.. and I wouldn’t know!

And the tabloids did succeed in allowing those fans to air their grievances in ways that are politically incorrect, at times racist and mostly full of misogyny.

Can we please agree on that?!

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 19/02/2021 12:32

Meghan is friends with the Obamas so I think she doesn't need tea with them in Buckingham Palace.

According to People, which is a very Sussex-friendly publication so wouldn't be likely to minimise this, Mrs.Obama and the Duchess of Sussex have only met twice. The Obamas have spent more time with Harry in relation to Invictus. I am not sure it's accurate to say the two women are friends or that the Duchess wouldn't aspire to a closer relationship with Mrs. Obama than she already has.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 12:41

Well.... my DH's friends are my friends too so not sure where you are going on that one. Your post sounds very nitpicky and point scoring!
I'll rephrase it...
Harry & Meghan are friends with the Obamas so I don't think they need tea with them in BP.

There you go.

Can we please agree on that?!
I agree!

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 12:43

What’s in it for me is that she is resisting that platform that’s being created for racism and misogyny by the tabloids and that suits me very much

But she isn't resisting the platform she/they are using it to exactly what they complained about to others.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 12:46

How?

Mockolate · 19/02/2021 12:54

@FrippEnos

What’s in it for me is that she is resisting that platform that’s being created for racism and misogyny by the tabloids and that suits me very much

But she isn't resisting the platform she/they are using it to exactly what they complained about to others.

They moved away from the British media. That's getting away from the toxicity to me.
Skiptheheartsandflowers · 19/02/2021 12:56

I mean, isn’t Eugenie or her sister married to a man with a child already? Did ANYONE speculate about the fact he has history of being married like the way it was for Meghan? Isn’t he also Italian and not British?

This was extensively covered in the run up to Beatrice's wedding, including details of his son from his previous relationship, what his ex now does, his Italian nationality and family and so on. Quite a bit of side eye about his past. Not so different to the Duchess of Sussex at all in that respect.

derxa · 19/02/2021 13:00

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

I mean, isn’t Eugenie or her sister married to a man with a child already? Did ANYONE speculate about the fact he has history of being married like the way it was for Meghan? Isn’t he also Italian and not British?

This was extensively covered in the run up to Beatrice's wedding, including details of his son from his previous relationship, what his ex now does, his Italian nationality and family and so on. Quite a bit of side eye about his past. Not so different to the Duchess of Sussex at all in that respect.

Yes that's what happened. But the difference is that Beatrice and her husband didn't comment or engage with criticism.
Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:02

Not so different to the Duchess of Sussex at all in that respect
Very different in volume surely?
I didn't see one article.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 13:06

@Roussette

How?
the book, the leaks to the press, the sad face posed pictures of harry laying a wreath etc.
FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 13:07

Mockolate
*They moved away from the British media.&
That's getting away from the toxicity to me.

the American press is just as toxic, but they are currently supported by one side of it.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:10

'Sad face posed pictures of Harry laying a wreath'

What do you expect. Dancing on the graves of soldiers. You are sounding ridiculous.

Terry Christian who I really rate has just tweeted this... sums it up for me.

terry christian
@terrychristian
Believe it or not , I'm not actually a fan of the Royal family as an institution and would scrap it tomorrow. But can anyone tell me what it is that this Meghan Markle did that she gets more stick than Prince Andrew

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 13:16

Roussette
'Sad face posed pictures of Harry laying a wreath'

What do you expect. Dancing on the graves of soldiers. You are sounding ridiculous.

If that is what you get from my post then you are the one being ridiculous.

Mockolate · 19/02/2021 13:17

@FrippEnos

Roussette 'Sad face posed pictures of Harry laying a wreath'

What do you expect. Dancing on the graves of soldiers. You are sounding ridiculous.

If that is what you get from my post then you are the one being ridiculous.

What do you mean by sad face posing at the grave then?