Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Wishing them all the best

@Motherdare

There was a lot of warmth and positivity towards her around the time of their engagement and wedding. Commentators kept saying she was as “breath of fresh air” and that her ethnic heritage would modernise the royal family. People lined the streets in thousands to catch a glimpse of her. At the start, I’m not sure a lot of people even noticed she was mixed race. Any negativity I saw was around her being American, divorced and an actress.

I think it’s a gross misrepresentation of the British public for the American media to claim Meghan was subject to a lot of racism.

They were criticised a lot around the time of Archie’s birth because of the way they handled themselves with such secrecy and twisting of the facts. She took offence, put the plan into motion (I think going back to California was ALWAYS the plan ) and used racism as her excuse. It’s devious.

I’m not sure a lot of people even noticed she was mixed race. Oh for goodness sake, just stop. You clearly didn't hear about what was being said on the Fail, here and elsewhere. People took against her immediately, because she was black and American. The amount of 'half breed' and similar sentiments posted and said, online, talkback radio, newspapers etc was staggering, mainly fuelled by the Daily Fail. One must have been living under a rock to have not noticed it. The racism was THE main issue.

The fact that you assume that she was the one who 'put a plan in motion' and therefore she is was devious, says a lot about the evil mindset you would have to have, to dream that scenario up, and then argue on the basis your imagined narrative were true. It points to you being devious, not her. For you to even think like that. She married Harry, she and he clearly intended to live in England. However the sheer volume of racism she received from the UK media (the racist UK media/general UK population racism against her even made the news in Australia, that's how obvious the racist sentiment against Meghan from the start was) made that impossible.

To suggest she, a famous person from LA in her own right, married into the UK Royal family, all just to move BACK to LA is probably one of the most off the wall, redundant and absurd things I've read on here, and just on this thread alone the absurdity jumped the shark when someone said she was wrong for posting about anything other than charity work. Your dismissing and invalidating the very real (and blatantly in-your-face obvious) racism she experienced as an 'excuse' is not only devious, it is evil and malevolent.

@Thewinterofdiscontent Seriously, pointing out obvious misogyny of the haters on here is somehow....misogyny? I've heard of reaching, but goodness! That is taking desperation and reaching to a new level. Gaslighting, I believe your post would be called.

Why is it the bullies can never take a taste of their own medicine and can never see their own behaviour and attitude. The Hypocrisy is.....Real.

@Cokie3

Why is it the bullies can never take a taste of their own medicine and can never see their own behaviour and attitude. The Hypocrisy is.....Real.

So true. I agree with everything you just said. The minimising of Meghan's experience of racism is disgusting and disingenuous to say the least. Harry put a statement out talking about the racism Meghan had experienced before they got married so for Motherdare to claim she didn't experience racism and everyone loved her at the time of their engagement and wedding is pure lies.

Must be awful to be on the receiving end of all the shit thrown online and by the media.

There’s an glaring lack of logic amongst people who so vociferously defend Meghan.

She was undeniably the victim of appalling racism by some sections of the British press and public. Anyone who suggests the contrary is wrong, on the facts.

IN ADDITION TO THIS

MM comes across to some sections of the British press and public, not necessarily the same ones as above as manipulative and fame/publicity hungry. Some of these people think she has used being a victim of racism to further her pursuit of fame and publicity.

These two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

What is so difficult to understand about this?

Of course they are not mutually exclusive. But there does seem to be a correlation, at least on some of the MN threads, especially the past ones, between her detractors and people who deny or minimize the racism.

Honestly, I can't believe that the brass neck of Americans talking about racism in Britain. I fully accept there is racism in the U.K. and as we are a mixed race family I have seen it first hand. However it's nothing like the U.S. Charity begins at home, don't you think?

@MissEliza

Honestly, I can't believe that the brass neck of Americans talking about racism in Britain. I fully accept there is racism in the U.K. and as we are a mixed race family I have seen it first hand. However it's nothing like the U.S. Charity begins at home, don't you think?

What's that got to do with anything? Just because the US racist nobody from the US is allowed to point out the racism in the UK?

Marina Hyde points out the hypocrisy of the people frothing about Meghan amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/16/harry-meghan-media-critics-worse?__twitter_impression=true

People who deny facts, or manipulate them to suit their purpose when they’re so demonstrably wrong, are a problem - as are the people who believe them. They’re a modern scourge. It goes back to image, manipulation, holding an agenda, all in pursuit of money or power or status.

People who deny that MM was a victim of racism fall into this category.

Others believe that MM herself falls into this category.

Both are prone to extremism.

Being a victim of something does not confer sainthood, or the benefit of the moral doubt on all matters. It does not place someone on all moral high ground.

Equally, claiming that moral high ground or the benefit of that doubt undeservedly doesn’t diminish the suffering caused by the original offence.

The non-racist UK press:
twitter.com/Mimizwei/status/1361784661249314817?s=09

Yes MM experienced racism ...but she also experienced joy and happiness and genuine goodwill from the vast majority of the British population who were interested in the future well being of the royal family . That that has dissipated to the degree it has is down to the attitudes and behaviour of H &M ..yes forgo the royal life by all means if it aint for you, and declare your need for privacy and a civillian life , but man ,dont cash in on it to promote yourselves as world ambassadors for good works ..shes a fading actress and he's a bozo who should be re wilding an estate somewhere in Oxfordshire or South Africa ..sheesh...without the RF they're a not very interesting couple living off an inheritance .

'Original offence'. Are you talking about the bump touching or announcing her pregnancy?

shes a fading actress

Hate to break it to you, but there's a multi million dollar Netflix deal.

[quote Cokie3]@Thewinterofdiscontent Seriously, pointing out obvious misogyny of the haters on here is somehow....misogyny? I've heard of reaching, but goodness! That is taking desperation and reaching to a new level. Gaslighting, I believe your post would be called.[/quote]
Ok so have you told a man he’s jealous of Meghan then?
No, because he’s not going to be. Even those his reasons may be the exact same ones as mine and others.
So using it to shout down reasons for being unimpressed with Meghan is inherently sexist.

Neither am I desperate or reaching or gaslighting. Constantly labelling people in these negative terms us exactly what you are arguing against! Answer the criticisms of Meghan if you wish but stop jumping to opinions about other posters.

’Original offence'. Are you talking about the bump touching or announcing her pregnancy?

No. I meant the racism she was a victim of.

Whether or not you intend it, you come across as personally vested in MM’s success.

There’s extremism on both sides. It reflects a trend of polarisation we’re seeing in many realms, in many countries.

Whether or not you intend it, you come across as personally vested in MM’s success.

I AM happy for her success because I abhorr racism and bullying. They are thriving and the haters can't stand it.

Meghan experienced massive racism, from the press, from the British public, from MNers.

It was jaw dropping reading comments on here, posters writing that the marriage wouldn’t last past a few months and there wouldn’t be DC and he’d move on quickly, then when she was pregnant that she’d ‘only’ have a girl and the marriage was ending.

The frothing is because they’re happy and loved up and have a growing family. And the British press can no longer hound them.

They can brand away and do interviews with Oprah and whatever else they want.

Nothing Meghan has done or is doing is anywhere near as crass, unbecoming or trashy as anything our saintly royals haven’t done themselves and worse.

I always find it amusing when racists practically explode at being called out for being racist.

"Million dolar netflix deal " built on who she married nothing more, and dont hold your breath for anything too commercially viable once they've milked their history .

It’s an important job to stand up to bullies and racism. Goes without saying. But when you do so in a manner that is blind to the flaws of your chosen flag-bearer, you risk your valid points being (quite correctly) lost to the counter-arguments. YOU end up becoming the focus, leaving YOU feeling the subject of bullying and/or racism (just guessing, obvs, no idea who you are!).

MM has a complex image, neither all good nor all bad, neither all victim nor all perpetrator. MN threads about her go on and on, and round and round, because of this.

@Thewinterofdiscontent More and more reaching. This is a site for women, predominantly posted on by women. As if that's not obvious. But you have to drag men into it to make some kind of, point, or something. I'm not sure what. But yes, I would use those terms to describe a man (and I have on occasions). However there is something particularly unsettling about women tearing down other women, and using a forum for women and about women and mainly used by women to do it. Especially when the victim has done nothing to anyone to deserve it, and doubly so in light of Caroline Flack.

@AKissAndASmile

shes a fading actress

Hate to break it to you, but there's a multi million dollar Netflix deal.

only because of their position. Neither are interesting enough without their positions to warrant any type of Netflix deal.

They haven’t got the Netflix deal because of M acting skills, they have got the deal because Neflix are hoping for some gossip, And some headline making moments. M is a good actress but she’s not Oscar material, and H is passionate about the world but he’s no Davis Attenborough. They are both mediocre

The frothing is because they’re happy and loved up and have a growing family. And the British press can no longer hound them
This. Although the gutter press try very hard still.

I know from previous threads over the years, that certain posters are desperate for the marriage to fail. The ultimate 'I knew it!!' They would be beside themselves!. The reason I know this is because there have been countless posts saying 'Harry will soon come running back when he realises what she's doing'. And endless 'he looks haunted/unhappy'.
So this baby announcement has put paid to all of that because shock horror they could actually be really happy?
That fact will upset some people, not what was hoped for.

MM has a complex image, neither all good nor all bad, neither all victim nor all perpetrator. MN threads about her go on and on, and round and round, because of this

I do agree with this. It is complex. She's not perfect by any stretch. Neither is she spawn of the devil.