Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Wishing them all the best

People don’t like M&H because they don’t want to play the game.

That should read ‘they don’t want to play the game dictated to them by the establishment’.

@Mummy195 don't make this about something it is not - She did not get disadvantaged because of race by the RF or anyone and neither race was at the core of it, as much as you would like it to be, that would be easy wouldn't it? And if it indeed had been, I am sure she would have made sure you know! 🤣🤣

That should read ‘they don’t want to play the game dictated to them by the establishment’.

And those of us who are republicans and anti monarchy can sort of sympathise with that sentiment.

@Goodbye2020Helllo2021

That should read ‘they don’t want to play the game dictated to them by the establishment’.

Sure. Still want all the trappings The Establishment gave them though.

@Goodbye2020Helllo2021 to some extent, that is what being a working Royal (or any job I fact) takes. Belong, be part of the plan, don't step on you colleagues toes, play team. They did not want to be part of the working RF set, so be it and they should be able to choose and intact they did, but you cannot have your cake and eat it. Some of the privileges that come with it will go with it, including not being as "important" or relevant anymore as they would like to be. You have to own it!

[quote Coronateachingagain]@Goodbye2020Helllo2021 to some extent, that is what being a working Royal (or any job I fact) takes. Belong, be part of the plan, don't step on you colleagues toes, play team. They did not want to be part of the working RF set, so be it and they should be able to choose and intact they did, but you cannot have your cake and eat it. Some of the privileges that come with it will go with it, including not being as "important" or relevant anymore as they would like to be. You have to own it![/quote]
Which is what they are doing now!
They have broken away from the RF ‘brand’ and are creating a ‘brand’ of their own.
Just like many many non-royals do every day.
The problem is, the RF ‘brand’ is established and separating themselves from it is, in my opinion an insurmountable task.
They are not truly free because they are tied by family associations.

Coronateachingagain

I knew quite a bit about Meghan markle before she got with Prince Harry. She was one of the Hollywood stars and I was watching one of her shows for few years..

We also knew of Harry before he was a “working royal”. Because he was a little boy, who had to suck up his emotions and parade behind his mother for the world to see. That’s before any working age and so that expectation of him was purely for his blood line. He did pay for that bloodline with his mental health.

Convenient to suddenly decide that it’s as simple as forcing them to become irrelevant so they don’t have to benefit from royal history.

But they both were relevant before they entered into the “role”. And they don’t owe anyone to change that so everyone can not see them as an eye sore.

You can look away if you don’t like them. I, actually, find them refreshing.

Bottom line, I don’t think Meghan rose to fame because of the royal family or her role in it for the very few months or the fact she was blessed with associating with that blood line. In fact she had a bit more dignity in the press before she married Harry.

What made her famous is that the British tabloids harassed her and her family and made issue of scrutinising every aspect of her life including her wedding. Otherwise if it was just a normal famehuk by association it would’ve build up over time with few of her public appearances.

But no, we heard more about the personal scrutany than her actual role as a royal.

So she didn’t get famous because of her role, nor because she was celebrated as a wife of a royal.

She got famous because she got ripped to shreds as the unworthy wife of a royal.. it was the type of fame that assassinates your character.

To be fair, I think good on her for making lemonade out of the sour lemons.. and using it to her advantage...

I could only think that those bothered by it are those that were hoping she deserved all the attacks on her and on her son while she was still in the role.

So bottom line, hiding behind “shouldn’t benefit from the role” argument is just a distraction

@Goodbye2020Helllo2021

I disagree that Kate is contrived. I think she is very very careful about what the public see and she is very self contained and controlled in public (and what she reveals to the public) but what she does show is authentic. Or at least it comes across as being authentic. I don't cringe. I don't feel like I am being sold a line.

I am not a huge supporter of any of the royal family - it was just a comparison.

LetMeBubble you are spot on.

By association to the RF, they can never disappear. They were quiet for months and months went, but the negativity never let up. It just meant more and more people were searching madly to find something to troll them about.

So they give up the Sussex bit, will it matter, not a jot. Let Andrew give up 'York' first please. And HRH whilst he's at it. He's a non working royal too.
M&H are never going to be free of RF association so not sure what they're supposed to do about that...

This picture is just the same as when the Cambridges take those playful summer pics of theirs.

When it's H&M there is always criticising why they bring their own photographer etc. that is staged, as if other RF don't do the exact same thing.

@Becles and @Roussette
I think you were referring to the interview where Zara invited the interviewer to her photoshoot. She admits that the press has been hard on her - but I remember less articles, and no panel shows to discuss her. The interview is heavy on her RF connection, but it does talk about her sponsorship, earnings etc. Just 12 minutes, worth having a look.

Sage
Or at least it comes across as being authentic. I don't cringe. I don't feel like I am being sold a line.

She’s just very good at it!
Maybe that’s where the disharmony between C and M comes from - C is the better actress! 😂 I am joking btw... sort of!

Roussette they both love attention. Harry was brought up with constant attention and would be lost without it. Meghan has searched for it and found it. Neither of them want the attention to end. How they get attention is not always going to be seen favourably by everyone. That is what being a celebrity is these days. They have their fawners and haters as well as the majority of people are completely indifferent to them.

[quote Coronateachingagain]@Mummy195 don't make this about something it is not - She did not get disadvantaged because of race by the RF or anyone and neither race was at the core of it, as much as you would like it to be, that would be easy wouldn't it? And if it indeed had been, I am sure she would have made sure you know! 🤣🤣[/quote]
Seriously? Where have you been? Meghan has mentioned the racism, and the racism, that IS at the very heart of all this has been well known for a long time. The fact of the matter is 99% of the dislike of her boils down to race. Clear and simple; and you, I and every one else knows it. Whether you want to admit it or not.

@Goodbye2020Helllo2021

Sage Or at least it comes across as being authentic. I don't cringe. I don't feel like I am being sold a line.

She’s just very good at it!
Maybe that’s where the disharmony between C and M comes from - C is the better actress! 😂 I am joking btw... sort of!

I think you're right. Catherine is a better actress.

@LetMeBubble 'refreshing' 😮 is the last thing that comes to mind when they pop up in my BBC news stream.... it is more like "oh not again". I am sure this is not the effect they want but that is what they are getting from a lot of the British non famous people here. But hey everyone to their own. And yes they are definitely Less relevant and struggling to come to terms with it (and the attention deficit and economic consequences of it too)

@Cokie3 that is a very Trumpian tactic which is now falling a bit in disuse. Of course race is not at the core of it, but easy to point to it and hint to it. Seed the doubt, there is only upside from it.

No, what is Trumpian is to deny racism, and call people's real struggles a 'race card' !

Bloody hell. The bitterness and jealousy on this thread is PALPABLE.

She did not get disadvantaged because of race by the RF or anyone and neither race was at the core of it, as much as you would like it to be, that would be easy wouldn't it?

Are you serious? Racism against her in the UK was widely reported in the US (to a certain extent because it was surprising to many Americans who perceive that racism is less of a problem in the UK than in the US).

Of course there was racism, including on Mumsnet. Some of the past threads about her contained some really vile posts.

When I was in the supermarket earlier on, I saw Thomas Markle on the front page of one of the tabloids asking to see his grandkids. He doesn't learn, does her?

As we Americans know well, racism doesn't have to be overt to be obvious, although some of it was overt. The negativity and double standards that were exhibited early on in some of the tabloids certainly raised questions of motivation. But it certainly was not all racism. There was, and continues to be, a healthy dose of misogyny as well.

@SenecaFallsRedux

As we Americans know well, racism doesn't have to be overt to be obvious, although some of it was overt. The negativity and double standards that were exhibited early on in some of the tabloids certainly raised questions of motivation. But it certainly was not all racism. There was, and continues to be, a healthy dose of misogyny as well.

Fair bit of misogyny on these threads too though.

Some posters seem to think the reason we are annoyed by them is our female emotions; jealousy and bitterness. I’m not sure a mans negative view of them would be dismissed in such a way.