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Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child

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Standrewsschool · 14/02/2021 19:43

Wishing them all the best

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LetMeBubble · 16/02/2021 00:24

Becles

😵, but Zara is one of us! She doesn’t need to prove herself! It’s different ;)!

Hmm
Coronateachingagain · 16/02/2021 00:28

@Becles except the royals in those your pictures are not setting up a for profit company with a foundation arm and publicly setting themselves to make money by pretending to save the world in some shape or form. Nor they are talking to Ophrah for 90 minutes about who knows what.
Sara Tindall and husband have also each achieved something quite special with their sports careers and probably have less unfinished business too, as they don't need the attention as much, been there done that without plotting and for the right reasons.
My view of things anyways. I will be interested to see what move the Royal House is thinking of. This story is still unfinished. In the meantime, the working Royals keep working, and thanks to them for that.

frazzledasarock · 16/02/2021 00:31

Why would Oprah want to interview Zara Phillips about her baby?

I doubt Zara would refuse were the possibility to present itself. 😆

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Coronateachingagain · 16/02/2021 00:40

@frazzledasarock What I wonder on the other hand is why would Ophrah want to interview H&M about their baby, if that is the reason, or at all. For 90 minutes! 😱

Coronateachingagain · 16/02/2021 00:42

And I disagree, I don't think Zara Phillips would be interested. She is smarter than that

LetMeBubble · 16/02/2021 00:46

I’m going to be controversial and say..

Imagine if Diana was alive.. and she saw the world speak this way of her son and daughter in law?

It wouldn’t have happened, guess why? Because most people doing this amount of scrutiny are doing it because they feel they owe it to Diana to step in her place and be protective of her little Harry. In their eyes that mother son bond hasn’t matured yet because we are all stuck in that zone of Diana abd the little boy who wrote “mummy”. Because nothing else we have seen of him has been as traumatic.

But let’s stretch our imaginations further now... if all of you are letting your maternal instincts kick in abd be protective of that little Harry that you haven’t yet accepted has moved on from his mother’s death and matured (unlike the rest of us)...

Let’s say, Diana didn’t die. And she had that attitude of intense scrutiny that the majority of posters have of Meghan and Harry...

You know what.. the world would probably be disappointed with Diana. Because we will be able to relate to Meghan and her ordeal with entering a newborn family.

This is why those who are obsesses with the royal family aren’t able to accept Meghan. Because they’re emotionally invested so much so that they’re still totally emotionally stuck at that point in time when Harry is still a 9 year old boy.. and they refuse to accept that he doesn’t need the nation to act like a maternal figure for him any longer as it is quite smothering at this stage.

I think many do need to find better purpose for their lives!!!

It’s natural biology for women to be weary of a stranger and want to give things time for the stranger to prove themselves before they let them have input into the dynamics of the family.

She is an outsider .. ok we get it.

But can’t we just be bloody neutral. I know you wanted to totally love Harry’s wife and have full disclosure of her wardrobe secrets so you can continue to live your princess fantasies .. but he doesn’t really need you to do that for him.. and Diana would want you to respect her sons privacy..

Diana had a vision that the royal family would offer something else to the world other than parading.. a royal family that would be more down to earth and empathetic.

Allow the son that she raised be just that.. a normal human being who wants to choose a wife without the interference of the whole nation and its wife.

Becles · 16/02/2021 01:05

@Coronateachingagain

And I disagree, I don't think Zara Phillips would be interested. She is smarter than that
Interesting take...
Harry and Meghan are expecting their second child
DeeCeeCherry · 16/02/2021 01:06

from a woman who resented press intrusion enough to flee the UK

Yes. Good for her. Sour people thought she'd stay here to be villified, her every movement criticised.

Instead she left the table and took England's Prince with her. Hence all the vitriol, she's a woman who didn't put up with the shitshow.

If she hadn't released pregnancy news there'd have been months of cruel comments and speculation 'she's fat/ooh is she pregnant?' Followed by 'Who does she think she is, keeping her pregnancy secret?'

Nice news about the pregnancy, they look a relaxed and happy couple. Which probably sticks in the craw of those who weirdly hate a woman they don't even know but, there it is.

SleepingStandingUp · 16/02/2021 01:14

If she hadn't released pregnancy news there'd have been months of cruel comments and speculation 'she's fat/ooh is she pregnant?' Followed by 'Who does she think she is, keeping her pregnancy secret?'
This.

The absolute vitriol that would be thrown at HER not him if they'd not announced the pregnancy,if it came out somewhere down the line that she'd had a baby and hadn't told the people who'd paid for her wedding and therefore own shares in her life. The anger that they'd kept a secret, had been sneaky, was somehow trying to get one over on Kate etc would be far worse than the anger over a perfectly average pregnancy announcement

Thewinterofdiscontent · 16/02/2021 01:25

It was the Royal Family she married into though @DeeCeeCherry. It comes with massive wealth, privilege and a place in the history books. It’s not media stardom where being liked is important for your 5 minutes of fame.
Bit like Boris being prime minster. He gets slagged off on a daily basis for his looks, personality, way he talks whatever. At the end of the day it’s all bollocks and he still has a job to do.
Whether Meghan got slated or not shouldn’t matter. Even dead Royals get their lives over analysed and picked over. It was just a role she married into and being popular is irrelevant

Coronateachingagain · 16/02/2021 01:33

@becles I said not with Ophrah. Different channel.

Mockolate · 16/02/2021 01:37

@LetMeBubble
I’m going to be controversial and say..
Imagine if Diana was alive.. and she saw the world speak this way of her son and daughter in law?
It wouldn’t have happened, guess why? Because most people doing this amount of scrutiny are doing it because they feel they owe it to Diana to step in her place and be protective of her little Harry. In their eyes that mother son bond hasn’t matured yet because we are all stuck in that zone of Diana abd the little boy who wrote “mummy”. Because nothing else we have seen of him has been as traumatic

Genuine question - how old are you?
I'm old enough to remember how Diana got relentlessly pursued by the media.
How the tabloids were obsessed.
One (I can't remember which) printed a headline "We don't like you, Dodi!"
Which miraculously disappeared on later printed copies as news of the accident happened and went all gushing. (wish I'd have saved a copy now.)
You really think it wouldn't have happened? They'd be left alone? That we're all just in Mummy mode?
Yeah, right. Hmm

Mockolate · 16/02/2021 01:42

The absolute vitriol that would be thrown at HER not him if they'd not announced the pregnancy,if it came out somewhere down the line that she'd had a baby and hadn't told the people who'd paid for her wedding and therefore own shares in her life

Yes, that's the truth.
Though he'd have been in there somewhere as he's been "torn from his family against his will" or "manipulated by his wife, emotionally blackmailed into being taken away from his public" Hmm

TomBradysLeftKneecap · 16/02/2021 01:59

This Daily Mail driven propaganda drives me insane.

Harry was 10 when his Mum died and has, in my opinion, more than proved his dedication to the country. He walked behind the coffin of his own mother while complete strangers screamed and cried, fgs. And, at the time preceding Diana's death, it was widely reported that she was leaving the country too. Trust me, if you tell your 10 year old you want to leave the country, that sticks with you!

He has clearly been at odds with his birth "privilege" for a very long time, fell in love with someone everyone hates for no reason at all and decided to protect his child, and now children, from what he had to endure. But that doesn't mean, he shouldn't be sharing the news. That's respecting his birth right!

Mockolate · 16/02/2021 02:02

Harry was 10 when his Mum died and has, in my opinion, more than proved his dedication to the country

12, sorry, but yes completely agree.
Plus he's lived with this level of scrutiny since little and seen what it did to his Mum.
Pre internet times as well

Cokie3 · 16/02/2021 02:44

@Andylion and @Coronateachingagain

So what if it is 'necessary' or not? You being on this message board is not 'necessary'. Sharing things on Facebook is not 'necessary'. Having a mobile or computer (bar work and communication) is not 'necessary'.

They did it because they wanted to. Is that ok with you? If not, too farkin bad! They don't need to ask your permission to do anything.

I feel sorry for you both.

Cokie3 · 16/02/2021 02:45

@LetMeBubble

It’s fascinating how many people think that they should either be allowed to scrutinise others in such a controlling way or the alternative is for others to shut themselves away from the world and dissolve into non existence.

Almost like how some people feel threatened when people they can’t control make their existence known.

And they they don’t need their permission for it because they’re equally entitled for a space on this planet as everyone else..

Almost as if Meghan needs permission from her superior masters before she steps any foot anywhere else she is vilified..

Hope they keep agitating the crap out of the covert racism in this society until it implodes into oblivion.

Go Harry and Meghan! You are actually worth my taxes because you are teaching society something useful about diversity.

Worth quoting in it's entirety! Well said a thousand times over.
ARoseDowntown · 16/02/2021 03:04

What H&M embody, I think, is the problem many people have with social or other media, image, and feeling like they’re being manipulated.

There are ways to use Twitter, IG, FB etc as a means by which to disseminate information quickly to a lot of people at the same time for the benefit of the recipient. There are many examples of accounts like this. The NHS, the Prime Minister’s office, weather channels, TfL etc.

There are also ways to use these fora to advertise, persuade or influence. Mostly for financial gain (celebrities, commercial ventures selling goods and services etc), sometimes for power (politicians, news channels etc). Either way, it’s for the benefit of the poster, not the recipient.

The RF senior members (eg BP) use these fora like the first type of user: to disseminate information quickly for the benefit of the recipient (assuming a royalist audience, which they do. Of course, ultimately it’s about money and power but that’s a different question).

The RF junior members stray a little - but not much - towards the second category. For the likes of Eugenie, you do wonder why she bothers, but perhaps it’s for the above gullible royalist audience. Whatever it is, however cheesy or naff (b&w “accidental” shots of private intimate moments seem to be de rigeur these days), they’re nonetheless mostly informational.

Charles, and W&K do it to establish a wholesome, “king-in-waiting” image to build support for the continuance of the RF. So, a little of the second category but only in furtherance of the first category.

With photos such as these from H&M, the message becomes blurred. (Issuing the photo to the Associated Press is akin to putting it on IG for the likes of H&M, they know it’ll be picked up and published worldwide instantly. AP has the widest reach, including the four U.K. rags H&M said they’d boycott.) It’s the dissemination of factual information from the future King’s son (the pregnancy, lovely and good luck to them), but using “language”/“media-speak” that the recipient recognises from influencers/ persuaders/ advertisers. H&M have made it very clear they want to be financially free of the RF, and haven’t hidden the Netflix or Spotify deals, so there is no doubt that they are in the business of making money. And, as they have themselves advised, users of media (social, mainstream etc) have to be wary of the motivations of people who create content because often things are not what they seem, or they’re pure fabrication, or they’re gossipy and made-up, or people have ulterior motives. So, the consumer of a photo like this, which - quite unnecessarily - accompanies factual news, feels manipulated. What do they want from me? My money? My attention? And why?

And THAT is what gets people’s backs up. The whole Meghan and Harry drama is about who has the upper hand in a long drawn out game of manipulation between the media, the RF, the public and themselves.

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 16/02/2021 03:19

How lovely Congratulations ☘️

Roussette · 16/02/2021 07:48

Have we actually seen any evidence of H&M using their child for publicity or financial gain, or is it all snide innuendos and conveniently forgetting the other royal grandchildren who've flogged events without a murmur?

^This

And talking of 'Sarah Tindall' doesn't need to do this because she has achieved something special with her sports career, well.. we know why that is don't we? I am sure she has talent but showjumping is notoriously difficult to break into and being a Royal enabled that, best horses, endless opportunities and now lucky girl being able to work in a job she loves as a Director of Cheltenham Racecourse. Doors have been opened for minor Royals because of their RF connection, but it's only H&M that get criticised for it.

The posters who are negative about H&M bang on and on about what they are doing monetising their position... well, at least they are actively pursuing 'giving back' as far as charity work (although that of course is criticised endlessly). Lots of royals monetise their positions whilst they are still in the RF, in the most awful way.

Do you think Zara and Mike didn't get paid bucketloads for that Hello cover? Beatrice and Eugenie have been in Hello mag and what about Peter Phillips advert for Chinese TV for milk, with a palace in the background, it was unbelievably tacky, and a blatant cashing in on his position in the RF.

And Sarah Ferguson who has traded on her royal connections for decades. When the Oprah H&M interview happens, just remember Sarah has done more than one with Oprah, a lot of woe me, a lot of talking about Diana and the RF. She blabs endlessly.
She's flogged Wedgewood plates with royal emblems, Weightwatchers, she even wrote a childrens book about a little girl who went to tea with the Queen! She'll sell anything cashing in on her royal connections, she even sold access to her husband whilst he was the UK trade envoy.

So just give H&M a break.
Leave them alone.
Or if not, just be fair with your criticism.

Kinsters · 16/02/2021 07:49

I don't have any issue with their timing. It's nice they announced on valentine's Day like Harry's mother did with him. Their first pregnancy announcement was badly timed though, it's not hating to say that. Eugenie's wedding plus baby loss awareness day.

Kinsters · 16/02/2021 07:50

Sorry, I was trying to reply to someone who quoted me but clearly it didn't work!

minou123 · 16/02/2021 08:20

Just to add to Roussette post.

Peter Philips sold his wedding photos to Hello magazine. The deal was for £500,000, to allow Hello magazine to walk around the wedding reception and take photos.
The public never get to see the wedding reception, but Peter sold his.

Kokeshi123 · 16/02/2021 08:27

There are some really unhinged people on here!

They are a bit of a tiresome pair in general, but I really don't understand what's wrong with the photo, the announcement, the coat she wore at the wedding etc.

I'm happy that any woman who had a miscarriage should carry her next pregnancy to term.

isitspringyet · 16/02/2021 08:28

Selling out to Oprah is just naff and cringe.. and for balance it was when Fergie did it too 🤣

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