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I am not sure about that @theReluctantPhoenix. I think most of us are, by and large, compliant. There is not much choice as (I) everything is shut and (ii) you can only really break the rules if there is someone else prepared to do it too with you.

I allowed my 10 year old DS to meet his friend indoors the other weekend. Think that is my only beach and one I committed due to the awful state DS was in about it all. We have agreed that he and his friend can meet each other, but no one else.

@TooManyPlatesInMotion,

I allow my children to meet outdoors with another pair of brothers, in 2 groups of 2, which is a bit borderline (as I am not sure they don't meet in one group of 4 sometimes). I have also travelled on the tube to meet a friend for a walk. Those are my mea culpas!

I am very sympathetic to those who see family members occasionally or who have only children and meet with one other family. It is awfully tough for a child to not play with another child for months at a time.

I don't think it is tiny breaches that make a difference, but the larger ones and the idea that you should never 'tell' on someone for, for instance, having a party, as if you would apply the same to a shoplifter (for instance). I also think mask wearing is just common sense and costs little.

I do believe that we should follow the real science, not just the most optimistic outlook. And I don't believe that there is any conspiracy or a 'global reset' . I think everyone just wants to follow the best path to normalise things as soon as possible, though recognise that powerful and influential hypocrites (Dom Cummings and Rita Ora step forward, amongst others) are not leading to a good community spirit.

That will probably put me beyond the pale to many on here...

I pretty much agree with you. I haven't met up with anyone inside and only outside when rule of 6 was in place. My DC went to the park yesterday and a class mate and my friend with her dc also happened to be there. The dc played together and I chatted to my friend at a 1 meter ish distance.
I think parties and mass gathering are wrong and not helping the situation.
However I believe that it's ok for a single mother to meet a friend, support bubbles ok, visiting family for care/ mental support ok.
The types that are against this is what we object to.
And schools need to open ASAP as we should not be locking children away from education and friends.

What does it matter?If what Phoenix says is right, there will always be more variants of any disease. We are never getting out of this ever as long as anyone dies.

There is no hope at all any more. I give up. No schools, no friends, no lives. No matter how much anyone complies, it will never be enough. Ever.

Bad day today.

or for anyone who feels like me today.

@ISaySteadyOn I know exactly how you feel . Having spent pretty much most of the last year on my own, working from home and only seeing my friends and family when it was “permitted” I’ve reached the end of my patience.

I’m sick to the back teeth of the constantly moving goalposts, the never ending SAGE “experts” popping up with their unsubstantiated predictions and the MSM scaremongering which has got usually sane and rational people begging to be locked up indefinitely. They can all fuck off as far as I’m concerned.

and possibly something a little stronger Isaysteadyon

It is going to be ok. Look at numbers from last summer. Cases went away despite lots of mixing. We'll get the same effect this year, hopefully starting much earlier as we'll have so much more immunity.

@ISaySteadyOn

What does it matter?If what Phoenix says is right, there will always be more variants of any disease. We are never getting out of this ever as long as anyone dies.

There is no hope at all any more. I give up. No schools, no friends, no lives. No matter how much anyone complies, it will never be enough. Ever.

Bad day today.

or for anyone who feels like me today.

Keep existing on. It can't exist like this forever. I'm feeling a bit better today after a couple of days of immersing myself in minecraft and detatching from it all. I'm numb most of the time, but DS2's made me smile a few times today and it feels less of an effort than it did earlier in the week

Ultimately the government will serve itself. It therefore has to have leave some functional economy and the ability to repair itself, and it won't want to render itself utterly unelectable in the future.

If the vaccines weren't avaliable anyway, we'd have to have some strategy to ease restrictions at the end of the respiritory illness season anyway.

Thanks @tatutata. We aren’t quite there yet. DC rarely asks outside of the 3 usual times now. Imagine nap feed will go when nap does. it isn’t an issue at present as I have nowhere to be until the theatres reopen...

Just got a purr from kitty. It helped.

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and possibly something a little stronger Isaysteadyon

It is going to be ok. Look at numbers from last summer. Cases went away despite lots of mixing. We'll get the same effect this year, hopefully starting much earlier as we'll have so much more immunity.

This is what keeps me going. Last year was more challenging with a later peak, a poorly informed start on treatments, but through the summer months the rates were low and stayed low.

Where rates were higher over the summer, it tended to be in places that hadn't had the clear peak. Lockdown seems to accelerate the declines from a peak, but seems to be less helpful in supressing cases at a lower level and just seems to drag it out over a considerably longer period. Yes, that eases the risk of a surge in the NHS, but isn't so helpful when trying to keep to an arbitary lower level.

@ISaySteadyOn,

I never said that there is no hope.

All diseases make new variants and generally we learn to live with them. Covid is no different.

What the world has done in developing vaccines is no less than astonishing. We are 20% vaccinated already. As long as the vaccination rate beats the mutation rate, we win. Covid will be driven out, as was smallpox.

The mutation rate depends on case numbers, which is why vaccination, over time, has to be a worldwide endeavour. Once case numbers are low, mutation rate is low. We keep vaccinating and drive it lower still, needing to tweak less and less frequently, as new mutations are taking longer. It becomes a virtuous circle and it ends.

In the UK, I think most internal restrictions will be gone by May and all by autumn. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I am a believer in the science. As for international travel, that is trickier, there is no point in winning the war only to reinfect ourselves with a new variant from abroad.

Over a year or two, there should be large portions of the world which are COVID free and that we can travel at will to. The rest of the world, i am not so sure. That will be a conundrum. I hope that we will help a global vaccine campaign (amongst many others) and that we can beat it globally.

However, I have not said anything which should cause anyone to despair, unless you really cannot wait a month for some easing and 3-4 months until nearly normal life...

@fatladysang Yeah I have to say it's been hard. I thought that since I'd already managed to refuse the two other feeds, dropping the morning one would be easy for me on the hormone front, and I thought BF was the problem. Only I cried at pretty much everything yesterday. Was watching Call my Agent (French show) and cried rivers at a random shot of a street I've walked down in Paris.

I suppose the thing is the world has become interconnected. So it isn't just a case of waiting a few months for nearly normal. I live abroad and if international travel is really out for a few years then I probably won't see my grandma again as she's in her 90s now. I know I accepted that risk moving abroad but did so with the assumption I could travel back twice a year. Quarantining in 1 room with a toddler rather scuppers the alternative too! FIL is also on limited time too. I'm having a crap day anyway (DS decided 4am was a good wake up time) but maybe I can't hold off dispair for a few more months. Hopefully I will be back on form tomorrow.

@TheReluctantPhoenix I know you are being rational, but tbh you've tipped me over the edge a bit because I think you are right about the science, but wrong about what it means for tge restrictions. If the vaccines don't work against variants, we are in this same situation until at least next year, assuming the vaccine rollout and all the tweaks required get ahead of the variants and become part of the regular flu programme by then. Those are already big ifs. I can't do this any more, I just don't want to be here.

Also I know others are in similar situations or worse but this is just one example of why people might be feeling bleak right now

@ISaySteadyOn

What does it matter?If what Phoenix says is right, there will always be more variants of any disease. We are never getting out of this ever as long as anyone dies.

There is no hope at all any more. I give up. No schools, no friends, no lives. No matter how much anyone complies, it will never be enough. Ever.

Bad day today.

or for anyone who feels like me today.

You've pretty much summed up how I feel. I'm also desperate to lose weight, so no cake. It's weird, weighing 62 kgs suddenly feels like the same dark catastrophe as it did when I was 17, and that really didn't end well.

Just place marking.

@tatutata,

But the vaccines are working against the predominant strains in the UK. We are winning. The outlier is the South African variant. The experts don't think it will predominate here.

No one can have a crystal ball and, of course, there are (very) low probability disaster scenarios that could lead to a bad outcome.

But did you ever worry about a pandemic before one came along, or a meteor strike, or a global nuclear confrontation?

We are living in uncertain times, which is why we need to be optimistic and not always dwell on the worst that might happen, but focus on the progress that we are making.

20% of the country vaccinated and probably another close to 1% today. And they are working...

I'm also having a bad day. I'm giving it to the end of March and if the government rhetoric is still the same and there's no prospect of change it's Beachy Head for me. This isn't life, and DD would be better without a mother than with the zombie I'm becoming. I can't spend another year doing my job remotely, all the fun and interesting bits have vanished and it's just drudgery (and trying to prop up the people I manage, which is harder and harder when I've got nothing left myself).

for everyone struggling, needing encouragement to carry on. I wish there was something I could do to help you all.

💐 for everyone, please hang on, I know life feels quite joyless at the moment, but it will get better, we have to keep believing. Please keep talking here, we are all here for each other.

@theReluctantPhoenix I don't think it puts you beyond the pale .

I think one of the difficulties is so much hysteria in the media, plus so many members of sage/its associated groups talking in the media, which they are of course entitled to do, but their individual views don't necessarily indicate gov policy and just ramp up the fear and uncertainty. Policy makers have to take many, many other factors into account, including the harms of lockdown, while some scientists are able to focus purely on the virus.

Plus, at the moment, we are all in the Waiting Place, a that is very bloody hard. The uncertainty.

I have only this: All the series of The Big Bang Theory are on Netflix. They make me laugh.

And I can't hope for better things anymore. I have done it too many times and had it snatched away. If something good happens great, but being optimistic has not helped me at all.

@DrRamsesEmerson, please hold on for your DD. She won't be thinking of you as a zombie and I take back what I said above. I have to hold on to a dream of an AD festival and you need to be there.

I did dream about the AD festival a few nights ago. We were all dancing to Mr Brightside in a field. It's funny what I imagine you all looking like based on your names!

Just had to phone Sanctuary Housing as yet again they are demanding rent which is already being paid. Been going on for four years + ever since they changed their system to SAP.