Will anyone else miss Trump a bit?

[surelynotnever]

Yes, the guys a complete git. But at a time when the news has been dominated by endless brexit or endless covid, he did supply entertainment value, in 'what an arse, can't believe he said that' sort of way.

I think I'll miss it a bit.

[quote ProudAuntie76]@Jaypreen

The environmental damage for a start

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/18/politics/trump-climate-legacy-bidens-challenge/index.htm

Plus the rise of right wing terrorism under his watch. The families ripped apart through his policies which meant child immigrants and refugees were separated from their parents and sent away and now cannot be traced

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/trump-separation-policy-545-children-parents-still-not-found

The chaos and division in the US will not be fixed overnight. They’ve never been as closed to civil war in modern times. This has an impact on the world.[/quote]
As far as climate change goes we know what Trumps view on it is. He said ‘I don’t think it’s a hoax, I think there’s probably a difference. But I don’t know that it’s man-made.’

His policies were based on the contention: should we bankrupt our economy in a futile attempt to push back climate change?

Hardly a danger to the world.

Also what evidence do you have for "the rise right wing terrorism under his watch"? What are you referring to, please be specific?

The families ripped apart through his policies which meant child immigrants and refugees were separated from their parents and sent away and now cannot be traced

You mean people that are illegally crossing the Mexico/US border with children? Please don't conflate that with legal immigration and refugees. Also some parents should be separated from their children. For their children's well being. If you or I commit a crime and the chances are we will be separated from our children.

Any blame lies with those illegally crossing the Mexico/US border. Not the US presidents. Besides, it's nothing Obama wasn't also accused of.

Also when you claim that They’ve never been as closed to civil war in modern times. Are you taking in to account the sustained riots and vandalism by BLM/Antifa thugs in summer, to which nobody on the left seem to bat an eyelid over ?

Anyway I don't think you are justified in citing any of that as a threat to global security

He literally incited a riot people died he has control of the military he is a powerful and charismatic man people like to follow him

Isn't he the only president in god knows how many years not to have started a war?

Over thirty years Awa. He also flew to Singapore to meet with the North Korean Tyrant. Also in the Middle East he managed to achieve in 4 years what previous administration failed to achieve in 40.

Somehow this makes him a dangerous, war mongering lunatic.

Isn't he the only president in god knows how many years not to have started a war?

No he isn't

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/01/fact-check-trump-not-first-president-since-eisenhower-without-new-war/6086636002/

This leaves Presidents John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama off the list of presidents who waged new wars that were authorized in some way by Congress.

The fuck no

@DuncinToffee

Isn't he the only president in god knows how many years not to have started a war?

No he isn't

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/01/fact-check-trump-not-first-president-since-eisenhower-without-new-war/6086636002/

This leaves Presidents John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama off the list of presidents who waged new wars that were authorized in some way by Congress.

Ok, one of very few. However Obama and his drone strikes...?

He also flew to Singapore to meet with the North Korean Tyrant

So?
Since then Kim Jong Un has increased NK's nuclear capacity, so what was the point of that pathetic photo op?

AwaAnBileYerHeid

Trump - Assassination of Qasem Soleimani...?

Trump deserves credit for seeking a dialogue.

Just imagine the fawning adulation if that overrated mediocrity Obama had done the same or had achieved what Trump has in the ME?

He didn't seek a dialogue. He wanted a photo opportunity because he could. Kim Jong Un was laughing his head off at Trump and had no intention of doing anything that he signed. Obvious. Just imagine if Obama had kow-towed to a dictator like Jong Un if he had done the same?

Dennis Rodman did the same

Duncin oh yes! Dennis and Kim Jong Un became besties for a while, I'd forgotten that!

@DuncinToffee

AwaAnBileYerHeid

Trump - Assassination of Qasem Soleimani...?

Yes I was critical of this at first, but then we are talking about Iran's master terrorist who, according to the US Department of Defense, "was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region."

www.newsweek.com/iraq-militia-official-killed-us-iran-tensions-1480181

I then came to the view that Trump's Iran policy of max' pressure is much more favourable than Obama's feckless Iran policy of max accommodation which resulted in the badly flawed JCPOA that gave the Iranian terrorist regime access to tens of billions of dollars of previously frozen funds that have been utilized to spread death and destruction throughout Syria, Iraq, and Yemen.

All this talk about Trump’s “achievements” in the ME ... what exactly are they?

@Roussette

He didn't seek a dialogue. He wanted a photo opportunity because he could. Kim Jong Un was laughing his head off at Trump and had no intention of doing anything that he signed. Obvious. Just imagine if Obama had kow-towed to a dictator like Jong Un if he had done the same?

I think you'll find Obama had no problem at all "kow towing" to the Iranian terrorist state in the form of the immense bribe he paid it by agreeing to the JCPOA with the hope that it would change Iran's belligerent conduct and delay the development of nuclear weapons.

No way. I've had an intense loathing for him ever since I first started hearing and reading about him in the early 90s, in my early teens. I'm a pacifist and against the death penalty in all circumstances, but I wouldn't feel any pity if he were assassinated. In fact,I honestly thought someone would kill him before his first year in power was over, so I'm flabbergasted he's still alive. Fucking vile tangerine cunt that he is.

I think you'll find Obama had no problem at all "kow towing" to the Iranian terrorist state in the form of the immense bribe he paid it by agreeing to the JCPOA with the hope that it would change Iran's belligerent conduct and delay the development of nuclear weapons

That is false.

www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/

@Justbetweenus

All this talk about Trump’s “achievements” in the ME ... what exactly are they?

Maybe the withdrawal of the Iranian nuclear framework?

I genuinely don't understand this terror of his "finger on the nuclear weapons button". He has brokered peace in the ME in a way that many believed impossible and is the only president in decades to not lead his country into conflict with other nations and in fact attempt to reduce conflict with the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia as he apparently believes that US military interventions are costly and largely ineffective. What has he ever done militarily speaking or even in his interactions with other nations to indicate he's going to throw a tantrum and nuke someone?

Miss him, no. But I appreciate what he did do for the US. His progress in the Middle East is undeniable. His 2017 tax bill benefits low paid workers. He continued to attack ISIS killing important ISIS commanders.

More controversially he pushed through some long over due executions. He tightened up asylum claims.

Only when the US goes to war again. He's one of the few presidents that hasn't instigating overseas war... although he did bang the drum for another US civil war.

Glad to see the back of him.

No, he already took up far too much space in my head by making me furious at such a vile being actually being POTUS.

Glad to see the back of him.

I can't disagree but I don't think Biden or Harris will be much better tbh. I will be very interested to see where they and their administration is at in three years and what is being said about them here on MN at that time.

Yes, more federal executions in the last months than in the previous 56 years combined. No president apart from him had overseen so many federal executions as in the last 120 years

How horrific that that is an 'achievement'

I think Biden may provide some entertainment with his confused old man waffling tbh.