Lisa Montgomery executed

[PegasusReturns]

Lisa Montgomery was executed yesterday - I don’t know how this amounts to justice in 2021. What an appalling tragedy her life and death was.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55642177

@picklemewalnuts

The most appalling thing about this case was the rush to carry out her sentence for political reasons.

The debate about the death penalty has merit on both sides, but the rush to expedite her death smacks of spite and powerlust.

At least she is at peace now.

I agree wholeheartedly @picklemewalnuts

I notice that two men who were also scheduled have had a stay of execution (hopefully until Biden gets in)

Montgomery's crime was shockingly awful.
RIP to the woman she killed and thinking of the child too -

but Montgomery was made into what she was by her life experience and she needed treatment whilst incarcerated not death finally arriving in a rush signed off by (a differently dangerous) POTUS

Talking about sensationalised press? Are people this blind?

Bobbie Jo Stinnett poor woman to be murdered in that way,

@cuddlymunchkin

Did you read what she did? The family of the victim should and we're listened to. She went out if her way to befriend the victim online - not a brief psychotic episode but a long, thought out campaign.

Thank goodness we don't let the families of victims determine penalties for crimes.

My watch button doesn't work so place marking to come back later

@Hazelnutlatteplease

Look into most offenders you will find many abuse victims and mental health sufferers, Male and female. Justice isn't always happy or comfortable

Very true. But personally, I don't believe the death penalty delivers justice. It might deliver revenge. But not Justice.

I don't know to be honest. Yes she was very damaged and had a dreadful life, no doubt about that, but what she did was beyond awful. She deliberately started a friendship with this poor lady, it was very calculated and sinister so although she was for sure a very disturbed individual, she did know it was wrong yet made the choice to carry it out. I'm sorry but I can't feel much sympathy for that.

That article though states she was the first woman to be executed since 1953..... what about Aileen Wuernos who was executed in 2002, they seem to have forgotten about her!

@FrostedCranberries

Cant believe the responses on here. What she did to that pregnant woman was reprehensible. I'm sick at her actions.

Sick enough to kill her?

@MorrisZapp

How utterly depressing. I hope there are kinder years ahead because the USA is going to lose its status as a world leading nation if it commits human rights atrocities like this.

Here's hoping 🤞 and I can only hope that the ripple effect can be felt all across the world! Donald Trump has left quite a legacy

This story is awful, absolutely awful! From start to finish.

@Ifailed

What about the child who was cut from her mothers body? Her trauma lives on. Shes alive and 16 years old now

In what way does the trauma live on? From a baby's point of view how they are delivered is irrelevant, unless they are physically affected by it.

“In what way does the trauma live on?” I’m actually stunned to read this. Of course someone who came into this world through the murder of her mother and will have watched her remaining family suffer through her whole life, won’t suffer?

It's a tough one. I feel sorry for both of them. However, the whole concept of "justice" is a very complex thing and has wider implications on society. The states in the US pick their stance on it and then keep to their promises. It is political. If you look at the campaigns of these states these are the promises they get voted in on the back of.

Not saying this is right, just that "justice" seems to mean so much more to the states than it does here.

From my own POV I do feel sorry for both of them but I have more sympathy for the dead mother and the legacy that child has. As far as crimes go, that is up there with the worst.

That article though states she was the first woman to be executed since 1953..... what about Aileen Wuernos who was executed in 2002, they seem to have forgotten about her!

Also Karla Faye Tucker in 1998.

I think LM's was the first federal execution in all this time?

Trump was a piece of shit but at least he didn't kill an estimated 160 children like Obama did with his drone strikes.

I oppose the death penalty for two reasons. Firstly, because sometimes innocent people are convicted. Secondly (and this is by far the more important reason) if people are executed then it’s basically saying that it’s ok to take someone’s life if there is a reason for it. So basically it’s state sanctioned murder as someone else said.

@risefromyourgrave

I find myself wondering more and more just what the fuck is wrong with the US.

You have people living in their cars whilst undergoing chemotherapy as they have had to give up their houses to pay for treatment, you have unarmed people (overwhelmingly black men) being shot to death by the police, you have the president saying that white supremacists are good people, no maternity or sick pay, school shootings are a regular occurrence and you have the state murdering people like Lisa Montgomery who have had the most fucked up lives.

And yet they deem themselves the moral arbiters of the world, they’re really taking the piss.

Yep, 100%. I think the American star is in its descendency now though. It's a nation founded on bloodshed, landgrab and race war and is returning to its origins.

@blueangel19

Obama was in power for 8 years since 2008. . Biden as VP. Did they do something about this?

No. Obama, if I remember correctly, was in favour of the death penalty in extreme circumstances, a position with which I and many others on this thread disagree with. That doesn't mean that Trump is obligated to go on his last minute killing spree. What's your point?

"How utterly depressing. I hope there are kinder years ahead because the USA is going to lose its status as a world leading nation if it commits human rights atrocities like this."

America leads the world in money, tech, and violence. Its never been moral.

Being female does not mean she should be treated differently to male death row inmates. Her crime was equally heinous as some men’s. Her lifetime of horrific abuse and mental health issues is no different to those suffered by some male inmates.

I’m against the death penalty.

17 males and 1 female on death row executed since 2020.
Trump reinstated executions when he came into office.

‘Murica

Thank goodness we don't let the families of victims determine penalties for crimes.

Perhaps we should.

The question is what justice aims to deliver. I dont believe someone like that will ever be safe to release and I'm not at all convinced keeping someone incarcerated indefinitely is more humane than the death penalty.

Look into most offenders you will find many abuse victims and mental health sufferers, Male and female. Justice isn't always happy or comfortable

Exactly. If you took every sob story into account the prisons would be empty and we'd all be living in fear of crime, violence and abuse every single day. Let's remember they are there not merely to punish them but to protect and offer respite to the rest of us.

There is an awful thread at the moment of a very violent and controlling domestic abuser and rapist whose victim is distraught because he's apparently suidical. I don't dount if we delved into his past we'd find some mitigating circumstances but so what? We need to be careful that our urge to compassion doesn't start to make the perpetrator the victim and the real victim irrelevant.

Some people are just beyond help and redemption however sad their backstory.

urge to SHOW compassion

An unpopular view, but I think this was right. It gave comfort to the victims family, after an horrific crime and it released the perpetrator from life long suffering. Mental health incarceration in the US is not always a positive therapeutic experience.

This case has really upset me, I can't stop thinking about her.

So tragic for her and her victim and the baby involved.

She should never have been sentenced to death.

This thread needs a trigger warning in the title ASAP.

I am extremely distressed at what I just read in that article and I can only imagine that people on here suffering with post natal depression etc should not blindly click it.

@blueangel19

Obama was in power for 8 years since 2008. . Biden as VP. Did they do something about this?

Such as?