Lisa Montgomery executed

[PegasusReturns]

Lisa Montgomery was executed yesterday - I don’t know how this amounts to justice in 2021. What an appalling tragedy her life and death was.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55642177

If you look at death penalty cases in nearly every case they were poorly represented at their trial. There is a reason there aren't many middle class white men on death row. They have the resources to avoid it.

But then the whole system of US justice is bizarre. Its so mixed up with politics.

As much as this was done as punishment, part of me does also wonder if in some way it was also a kindness for those involved, particularly the child and the victims family.

We all know how trumps mind works on matters like this though, he would have without doubt seen someone who committed the crime she did as deserving of the worst penalty, to give justice to the family and to not live her life in a secure unit and the cost that entailed.

He also knew Biden wouldn’t have permitted it. He wants to abolish the death penalty. So trump rushed to do it. Which I find sickening.

I also find it stunningly dumbfounding that America actually still has the death penalty in so many places. That they actually kill people as punishment. That there are Americans whose job it is to kill like this.

I honestly can’t get my head round the fact that somewhere like America this practice exists. I’m all for the whole “life means life” thing. But killing people for their crimes, it’s so so barbaric.

I don’t agree with the death penalty for many reasons, be it male or female inmates. We are taught that two wrongs don’t make a right, killing someone because they killed someone else doesn’t make it right, it doesn’t bring back the person/people they killed, it’s doesn’t stop the pain felt by the relatives of the person they killed, it’s just revenge and the feeling of revenge is shot lived. There’s also many who have been executed when they have not committed the crime or have had serious mental health issues (psychosis).

Is the lady that supposedly killed her children still on death row, sorry can’t remember her name but it was in a tv documentary a few weeks ago? There was a big chance this woman was innocent (I believed she was) and there was no hard evidence that she killed her children and not her partner or an intruder.

Excisions in the US are just awful, I can’t understand the people who carry out the executions or the people that go to watch, it’s sick and just so wrong.

@cuddlymunchkin

Did you read what she did? The family of the victim should and we're listened to. She went out if her way to befriend the victim online - not a brief psychotic episode but a long, thought out campaign.

Yes, it was horrific. Totally understand why the family would want her dead, but her death achieves nothing, it won't bring her victim back. She should absolutely be somewhere she couldn't hurt anyone else, but murdering her to show that murder is wrong? Makes no sense.

I read her story and was utterly horrified at her childhood. IM baffled at the idea this is justice

What about the child who was cut from her mothers body? Her trauma lives on. Shes alive and 16 years old now

In what way does the trauma live on? From a baby's point of view how they are delivered is irrelevant, unless they are physically affected by it.

I find myself wondering more and more just what the fuck is wrong with the US.

You have people living in their cars whilst undergoing chemotherapy as they have had to give up their houses to pay for treatment, you have unarmed people (overwhelmingly black men) being shot to death by the police, you have the president saying that white supremacists are good people, no maternity or sick pay, school shootings are a regular occurrence and you have the state murdering people like Lisa Montgomery who have had the most fucked up lives.

And yet they deem themselves the moral arbiters of the world, they’re really taking the piss.

Utterly sickening.

This is a woman who was delusional at the time of her (horrible) crime, and has multiple mental health issues.

The description of her childhood is stomach churning. She was gang raped, sexually tortured and treated like a neglected animal. She has no normal socialisation at all. And the state KNEW.

Trump’s deliberate execution spree has been horrific to watch.

But this was a Supreme Court decision.

This is a country where this sort of things happen.

Shame on the U.S of A.

So Trump, this creature who likes to 'grab em by the pussy' has been given the power to demand execution of a seriously ill woman, fucking hell, America must be sooo proud right now.

A once great country just imploding in on its self while the world watches.

"I'm shocked by this last minute rush to kill a very damaged woman"

Not sure why you are shocked. It is an addition to Trumps tally towards his claim of the greatest presidential first term is it not?

@Butchyrestingface

I'm no psychiatrist but I think she was desperate to get hold of a baby she could love because nobody had ever loved her. What a terrible tragic waste.

I'm not sure it's the case that she had nobody to love or had loved her. She had 4 existing children.

I wish Pence had invoked the 25th last week.

Lisa Montgomery was also horribly abused by her husband, the father of her children. It's not as simple as saying she had four children so she had someone to love and someone to love her.

www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/opinion/sunday/lisa-montgomery-execution.html

This article goes in to some detail about the brain damage Lisa experienced as a result of her abuse.

I hope that she can be at peace.

@Ifailed

What about the child who was cut from her mothers body? Her trauma lives on. Shes alive and 16 years old now

In what way does the trauma live on? From a baby's point of view how they are delivered is irrelevant, unless they are physically affected by it.

Really?

Given the deep and complex feelings people have about their birth history, biological v adoptive heritage, loss of a mother in early life etc, you really think knowing that their mother was killed as they were stolen from her body would not have some lasting impact on their emotional status?

@Hazelnutlatteplease

Look into most offenders you will find many abuse victims and mental health sufferers, Male and female. Justice isn't always happy or comfortable

State sponsored murder isn't justice.

The only 'justice' in this case is that this woman is hopefully now in peace.

The death penalty is inhumane, and should be abolished.

One of the saddest stories I have ever read

Lisa Montgomery was sentenced to the death penalty in 2007?

@ncbby

*I’m appalled that anyone in 2021 could think a death penalty is ever justified. Imo the US justice system is more about revenge than justice.*

Maybe Montgomery is at peace now?

She's dead now. Let's not sugarcoat it. There hasn't been any peace for her. She has been abused to an unbelievable extent, has been failed by her own family, social services and the justice system. What she did was heinous but this decision helps no one.

Darlie Routier is the case I was talking about in my post, another woman who has been let down and remains in prison in death row.

She's dead now. Let's not sugarcoat it. There hasn't been any peace for her.

Given we have no knowledge of the afterlife (or lack thereof) I don't think that can really be determined.

I suppose it’s just like Aileen Wuornos, what a shitty life that poor woman had.

Cant believe the responses on here. What she did to that pregnant woman was reprehensible. I'm sick at her actions.

Sad for the victim's family you mean. They will never recover. Stop ignoring their pain.

I am not ignoring the victim’s family’s pain, I know they will have pain for the rest of their life and it must be horrendous for them. But what does spreading the pain around achieve? All it does is make more damaged people.

Obama was in power for 8 years since 2008. . Biden as VP. Did they do something about this?

@FrostedCranberries

Cant believe the responses on here. What she did to that pregnant woman was reprehensible. I'm sick at her actions.

Has anyone said otherwise?