ADs are elite athletes and can run very fast

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Another thread in the saga filled up (so no forwards link)

I think maybe we're endurance athletes, or maybe multievent like a decathlon

The "cure" is worse than the disease.
My mother seems oblivious to the whole thing, I tried half heartedly to get her to stay in a bit at the beginning, but I'm past caring now.
My job used to involve lots of travel and on site visits, now it involves dragging myself out of bed at 3.30 am to stare at dead fish on an intermittent WiFi connection for 10 hours.
A full on zombie apocalypse would be more fun than this half life.

Wales - the unions have banded together to say face to face teaching except for key workers and vulnerable children should not go ahead. Drakeford threw it all at the local authorities. My authority is having an emergency meeting tomorrow. The unions are taking legal action against welsh government asking them to prove the variant is no more dangerous. The plot thickens. But if Drakeford has thrown it all at local authorities he has washed his hands of education at government level.

Wanderings no symptoms, no test.

I have had a test once when I had a fever and constant coughing. Otherwise, no.

@Sonicthehedgehogg

It would be helpful if they had some form of universally agreed definition of "safe" before withdrawing. How will we know when they consider it "safe" to return? When they're vaccinated? When everyone else is? When the pandemic is declared over?

Yes! And what happens next flu season or when there is a norovirus or chicken pox outbreak? Both potentially fatal and probably not that 'safe'.

When grandson went back to nursery in August, we all came down with a cold and cough, no-one bothered to get tested. The little darling shared another cold with us earlier this month, we coughed, were bunged up for a day or two did not go for a test. We have a toddler who is a sharer. I think some people worry so much that they exaggerate on the online form to get a test to put their minds at rest. I really wish they could get a test from the chemist as we do pregnancy tests then they could relieve their anxiety without skewing the figures.

Checking in! 0 deaths in my area at all!! Weird as we are mainly an elderly population! Cases coming now but god knows from where as nothings open and no ones been anywhere!

@Weedsnseeds1

The "cure" is worse than the disease. My mother seems oblivious to the whole thing, I tried half heartedly to get her to stay in a bit at the beginning, but I'm past caring now. My job used to involve lots of travel and on site visits, now it involves dragging myself out of bed at 3.30 am to stare at dead fish on an intermittent WiFi connection for 10 hours. A full on zombie apocalypse would be more fun than this half life.

Dead fish?

I have written to the local MP about rumours of curfew. Just in case it helps - pointed out how stupid it would be to have people shopping in compressed hours etc.

@Timmytimeout but there is no norovirus this winter which tells us it is either eating food others prepare, or not following hygiene procedures. One scientist said most salmonella cases resulted from eating out or buying fast foods. I found that very interesting.

Norovirus was something my eldest and middle son never had as children born 1980 and 1982 whereas my third child born 2001 brought home norovirus, hand foot and mouth, slapped cheek syndrome, as well as chicken pox.

So is it a hygiene issue and we as adults running around making sure the little darlings wash their hands use sanitisers are actually reducing other childhood afflictions which we as adults can catch.

Curfew where we live very few are about at night shopping and with all our shops, restaurants, pubs shut with the bad weather we are having would we notice a curfew in tier 4?

DD's nursery room hasn't closed for any Covid as yet, but has had a D&V bug. Mind you, have you seen how slapdash toddlers are with handwashing? Brief touch of the palms and she's done. Dirty little disease vector

@justasking111

Curfew where we live very few are about at night shopping and with all our shops, restaurants, pubs shut with the bad weather we are having would we notice a curfew in tier 4?

In London, certainly

The nearest supermarkets to me are open till 11pm. One was a 24 hour but it is very big so I never go. It now closes at midnight.

I go at 9. When on shifts, it's a godsend. But also tbh now
I have very little work, I still go then because it's quieter and i hate shopping.

There's also the late evening joggers etc to consider. Packing everyone into compressed hours would be madness. I can hear the complaints about crowds of joggers on the Thames Path already.

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Half the late night customers at the chippy are shift workers, NHS of all kinds. I know the guy who runs it. I imagine the chicken shop and kebab shops are much the same.

Curfew would put extra people in the supermarket, the group who buy food en route home.

I am in a big block of flats....I think there are more people on shifts than 9-5.

AcornAutumn yes, dead fish. I inspect EU approved food production and logistics facilities, the last few weeks were supposed to be in various African countries. I spent a total of 20 hours doing a virtual tour of frozen tuna storage and associated paperwork. With the time difference up at 3.30 start work at 4am (8am their time).

@Weedsnseeds1

AcornAutumn yes, dead fish. I inspect EU approved food production and logistics facilities, the last few weeks were supposed to be in various African countries. I spent a total of 20 hours doing a virtual tour of frozen tuna storage and associated paperwork. With the time difference up at 3.30 start work at 4am (8am their time).

Do in person inspections still happen - Id guess they have to?

They have managed curfews in other countries so will be looking closely at that I expect. My friend in France had to print out permissions to go shopping, my brother in China had to use an app to enter any premises from chemist to food market, that was on top of curfews.

French curfew www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55266332

Italy and Spain have curfews, South Africa too again. Looking at the figures that have come down, it does seem to help.

One thing about curfews these countries use armies and other forces to make sure folk stay home, we only have a police force for this.

AcornAutumn yes, where possible, but the restrictions on overseas travel are a problem if there are no local inspectors able to do it. There have been extensions on frequency, but the extensions are running out now, which means all the "naturally due" sites are now clashing with the "due after extension" sites and there is a lack of availability. Essentially we have to fit 12 months of work into 6 months somehow.

@justasking111

They have managed curfews in other countries so will be looking closely at that I expect. My friend in France had to print out permissions to go shopping, my brother in China had to use an app to enter any premises from chemist to food market, that was on top of curfews.

French curfew www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55266332

Italy and Spain have curfews, South Africa too again. Looking at the figures that have come down, it does seem to help.

Doesn't seem to have helped Italy at all

I think the closure of nightclubs was more likely to be what helped there?

Didn't France have to alter their curfew times due to lack of practicality? Joggers all out at the same time etc.

If we have to have papers that will be an abomination as well.

@TabbyStar

16 for me. No care homes. V rural East Sussex. Until Nov. Will be higher now as we are Tier 4. 69 In the local authority. Which for a rural area is shocking.

To give it some context, 530,841 people died in England and Wales last year, that's about 1,450 a day. Deaths from pneumonia range from 25,419 to 29,847 a year, so 69-82 per day. The population of England and Wales is around 59.5m, so you'd expect a local authority area of 550k like East Sussex to have about 13.4 deaths each day in total, and using the lower figure, about 4.5 deaths from pneumonia each week, so something like 150 from April to November.

Eh ? None of that makes ANY sense. There are 4 local authorities in East Sussex. The population of mine is 166k NOT half a million. The figures quoted are not ALL deaths. They are covid related deaths. As of 26/12/2020 the EXCESS deaths stand at 150 in my local authority. There would of course ALSO of been the normal number of deaths from the seasonal illnesses such as pneumonia that claim the elderly every year. People don't stop dying of the normal stuff just because there's a pandemic.

I'm all for keeping perspective and optimistic but it's a fine line between staying cheerful and hoping for the best and keeping your head in the sand with fingers in your ears whilst shouting lalalala this isn't happening... (a neat trick if you can manage it ) Otherwise it feels just a bit too 'Trumpish' for comfort. (The system of belief whereby you just say something untrue often enough then others will believe it)

DH still does site visits in his industry which overlaps into the food industry. There are far worse potential H&S hazards than Covid that continue to need managing.

AcornAutumn I have also done some inspections as a "technical expert". Inspectors are required to have industry expertise in the sector they are auditing. So a qualified person has done the inspection, but they have to have someone on line shadowing as it is not in their qualified sector, if that makes sense.

5 deaths in my postcode, all in March and April. To be fair the area it covered was very small, as are most of the zone 1&2 London ones I expect.

@Jourdain11 my children are fighting like crazy too. They’ve been together non-stop since 8/12 when their school closed, and we’ve got at least another 2 weeks to go 😬
Do yours have keyworker places? Sorry if you’ve mentioned already and I missed it.

Is Wild Adventure Andy’s workout on CBeebies? DD still loves a bit of CBeebies, despite being 8, so she’d be up for that.

BogRollBOGOFF quite, my role is product safety rather than health and safety or ethical trading, but same difference.
My partner's mother died of dementia and my aunt died of leukemia (amongst other, non-coronavirus related deaths personal to me this year) and we had several "at least it wasn't COVID" comments.
I do have a gallows sense of humour, but, knowing the people making the comments, this was meant to be a "comfort" in some way. As if several years of clinging on to life was in some way preferable to a couple of weeks of illness.
There are other ways to die and they aren't all great.