ADs are elite athletes and can run very fast

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Another thread in the saga filled up (so no forwards link)

I think maybe we're endurance athletes, or maybe multievent like a decathlon

I checked my postcode, 7 deaths since March, that’s awful isn’t it.
I am now past caring, my DF since hasn’t received a new date for his vaccine.
The weather is depressing me, life is depressing me. Same shit different year.

Currently communicating with BT (internet permitting) Checking the line for faults. I reminded him that we had an engineer out replacing wiring less than a year ago.

@MissEWeatherwax

I checked my postcode, 7 deaths since March, that’s awful isn’t it. I am now past caring, my DF since hasn’t received a new date for his vaccine. The weather is depressing me, life is depressing me. Same shit different year.

I just checked mine... 3 deaths since March (involving covid, not 'of' covid I see).

I'm past caring too.

@Weedsnseeds1

BogRollBOGOFF quite, my role is product safety rather than health and safety or ethical trading, but same difference. My partner's mother died of dementia and my aunt died of leukemia (amongst other, non-coronavirus related deaths personal to me this year) and we had several "at least it wasn't COVID" comments. I do have a gallows sense of humour, but, knowing the people making the comments, this was meant to be a "comfort" in some way. As if several years of clinging on to life was in some way preferable to a couple of weeks of illness. There are other ways to die and they aren't all great.

Goodness, such insensitivity

I'm sorry you had to deal with that

Interesting thread re Spain

I had no idea they had reopened hospitality!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4125001-To-wonder-what-is-happening-in-Spain-with-Covid

"at least it wasnt COVID"

Vile!

I always hate this bit when the Christmas lights disappear. The world just feels that little bit darker.

I have noticed the first tips of bulbs emerging. That helps a little.

Had Michael Ball on the radio today and he was being pleasantly upbeat and optomistic without being too patronising. I suppose more than most of the presenters he's feeling the toll of the lack of live performance.

AcornAutumn I'm pretty pragmatic about death. It comes to us all. If you have watched a previously intelligent and independent person getting excited about a balloon for 6 years or an elderly, but lively person getting twice weekly blood transfusions for no reason other than to drag it out a bit, you get a bit jaded.

I can’t believe someone I actually ‘ said last least it wasn’t Covid’.I’m shocked someone was that insensitive!

And thanks MercyBooth too.
It's not that I mind them dying ( does that sound awful, they were old, ill and not living a life as they used to know it) but their deaths were "lesser" in some way, because they weren't coronavirus related.
Aunt's daughter's daughter ( refer to as my cousin, think first cousin once removed!), tried to schedule her wedding as a quickie, so her gran (my aunt) could be there, it's been cancelled three times so far.
There are tiny tragedies as a rssult of this, that don't kill people from COVID, but drag the life out of us drip by drip.

@Weedsnseeds1

AcornAutumn I'm pretty pragmatic about death. It comes to us all. If you have watched a previously intelligent and independent person getting excited about a balloon for 6 years or an elderly, but lively person getting twice weekly blood transfusions for no reason other than to drag it out a bit, you get a bit jaded.

Absolutely agree. But what people said to you about non Covid is indefensible.

The "tiny tragedy" thing is so true.

And MissEWeatherwax honesty, they think it's a nice thing to say!
The only funeral I was able to attend due to travel restrictions and limited numbers was my friend's father ( friends since we were 4, I'm 52 now and spent half my childhood in their house), the funeral invite even stressed "it wasn't COVID"!
I did my best to go to my aunt's, I was due to deliver on line training, so booked a hotel to stay for three nights and nip out on day two for the funeral at 12, but tier change put paid to that (I train other inspectors as well as inspect, before anybody jumps on that.Apologies for needing to clarify that, but any potential "hole in your story" gets attacked on some boards now.)

People going mental over there screaming for a total lockdown. I have no words.

My watch confirms that this AD is indeed an elite athlete

Must be a mutant algorithm

Actually, I'm just smiling, remembering visiting my actual first cousin and her daughter, who was about 6 at the time, telling her friends "I can't come out because my cousin is here" and her friends saying "she can come and play too".
I was about 30 at the time

Now it would be "why were you visiting your cousin in tier 4, when you are tier 3? Her daughter has been in SCHOOL"
What a world we live in.

@justasking111

Wales - the unions have banded together to say face to face teaching except for key workers and vulnerable children should not go ahead. Drakeford threw it all at the local authorities. My authority is having an emergency meeting tomorrow. The unions are taking legal action against welsh government asking them to prove the variant is no more dangerous. The plot thickens. But if Drakeford has thrown it all at local authorities he has washed his hands of education at government level.

Shouldn't the onus be on the unions to price the new variant is more dangerous. It's quite hard to prove a negative. Anyone who knows more than me about health and safety legislation - can they really demand this?

Well enforcement of health and safety at work can be local authority or HSE depending on the size of the workplace.
It's a bit of a strange one because it's normally physical risk ( lifting, desk positions, machinery operation) but also physiological (injury to hearing, dust inhalation).
Employers have a legal responsibility of "due diligence*", meaning they have to have taken all reasonable precautions, based on known risk.
Same for food safety legislation.
If a company (or other entity) is following government guidance, I'm not sure there would be a case? =

BT says line fault and needs openreach And that they may not have to come to the address. Does anyone on here think this is likely? BT had to come inside the flat last May and did a rewire so shouldnt need to come in again surely. That was during the first lockdown and i am now in a support bubble with my mum.

Morning!
@MercyBooth I've had to had BT "out" twice since last March, when it was a line fault they didn't come to my house.

I've just had a scroll on my Facebook and I despair. A friend of mine posted asking who is sending their children in today (posted last night) as they are unsure what to do. Loads saying they are not, but what got to me was the amount of people with the following comments (these are actual quotes btw)

1. I understand school is the best place for vulnerable kids but my kids aren't vulnerable so it's not my problem.

2 Why should non-vulnerable children be forced to go to school because it might not be safe for vulnerable children to be at home? Doesn’t seem fair.

There were more but those two actually made me want to cry.

Again, maybe my perception is skewed because I work with vulnerable children but FFS can people hear themselves??!!!!

Livin that's horrible. It's just another in a long line of examples of things that some people believe are "someone else's problem".

Good morning. The world feels very dark right now. I would say it feels like we’re on edge but I think the fear and divisions have been ramped up so much that there’s little chance of unrest now.

[quote justasking111]@Timmytimeout but there is no norovirus this winter which tells us it is either eating food others prepare, or not following hygiene procedures. One scientist said most salmonella cases resulted from eating out or buying fast foods. I found that very interesting.

Norovirus was something my eldest and middle son never had as children born 1980 and 1982 whereas my third child born 2001 brought home norovirus, hand foot and mouth, slapped cheek syndrome, as well as chicken pox.

So is it a hygiene issue and we as adults running around making sure the little darlings wash their hands use sanitisers are actually reducing other childhood afflictions which we as adults can catch.[/quote]
Obviously no noro is broadly a good thing. No nits would be better (but suspect kids being neglected at home will eventually come back to school and be in a horrendous state with these kinds of things ). This research on lack of exposure to infections when tiny is so so worrying me at the moment though. My dc2 has been on nursery and not been ill at all, my dc1 was ill every week when they started. www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/child-leukaemia-linked-reduced-exposure-germs/#:~:text=%22Childhood%20leukaemia%20is%20preventable%20and,%2C%22%20the%20Daily%20Mirror%20reports.

Good morning. The world feels very dark right now. I would say it feels like we’re on edge but I think the fear and divisions have been ramped up so much that there’s little chance of unrest now.

I feel like this, but actually I think there is a chance of unrest. I'm facing the next three months with little work and little income, DD the same. I'm trying to pivot my business but between the anxiety, trying to deal with DD's mental health (not terrible but she dropped out of college because she can't cope with online learning and now she has no work either because hospitality is closed) and looking after my DM I have little mental and emotional energy left and still find it difficult to comprehend that there is no support for me.

In the Telegraph magazine on saturday, Selina Scott was explaining 'her saturday'. Quote;
" I feel lucky to have a 200 acre farm in North Yorkshire that I can walk around without picking up covid.....I'll be sorry when lockdown comes to an end: I enjoy being able to do exactly as I want with no commitments."
Unbelievable, isn't it? However, I wonder if this is a widespread thought amongst those who are 'better placed'? Tough titty if you are a struggling single mum living in a flat with 3 kids and no outdoor space.