ADs building hadron colliders out of used yoghurt pots

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... whilst waiting to see if the kids are or are not going to school next week and walking with imaginary cows.

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@Jourdain11 YY YY The thread we were just on feels like an abusive final push.

I will NEVER NEVER NEVER forget the psychological abuse and emotional blackmail we have been put through NEVER.

That thread is bloody awful. We are not in primary school, we can make our own choices. I mean, as it happens, we're not visiting or being visited over Christmas because I am having chemo. That's a risk assessment. However, if my kids get invited to play with a friend over the hols WHO THEY'VE BEEN IN A CLASSROOM WITH FOR THE WHOLE TERM, we will see how beneficial that is going to be for their mental health vs the risk of infection and make that choice. That's also a risk assessment! If my BIL who is a nurse in a nearby GP surgery wants to drop over at some point to exchange presents and have a glass of something, I daresay that AS ADULTS, we are all also able to jointly assess that risk and make a decision accordingly.

It's like people can't cope with being asked to make a decision anymore and they just want to be told "the rules". Honestly, it's pathetic!

@MercyBooth oh God, I need to go to bed and quit reading the Covid Threads of Doom.

What makes us do it? I think it's like a morbid psychological fascination at how awful people can actually be!

@Jourdain11 i totally agree. My niece has taken a risk as part of her job to enable children to go to school. And no acknowledgement of anything like that. I often wonder what their reactions would have been if the Civil Contingencies Act had been used instead of the Health Protection Act. The former would have allowed properties (like empty second homes) to be taken over for quarantine facilities. ( I wonder if their altruism would have stretched that far) This would have allowed somewhere for people from multi generational families to quarantine.

I wonder how many on that thread would have agreed to it.

@Jourdain11 I know. Its like some sort of masochistic vortex i keep being sucked into.

How is the chemo going

More than a third of children surveyed were worried about getting Covid and dying. We're going to look back and wonder what on earth we've done to them, aren't we?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55352746

Good God

My town had almost half the number of positive tests yesterday as it had on Thursday and 7% of the hospital beds are currently taken up with Covid patients yet the headline in our local paper is about fears we are being swept up in another wave. Talk about scaremongering. Yet there are still many people who want us welded into our homes for a proper lockdown. Any comments giving actual data are swiftly removed.

It's creating odd divisions in our social circle. In particular SAHM Vs workers, which was always apparent but now the SAHMs are taking their kids out of school for weeks on end to 'protect' them and the evil workers are seen as callous parents who only care about childcare and don't want to spend time with their precious darlings I guess in our circle (middle class pretty privileged with secure income) there seems to be a large number of people who absolutely revel in lockdowns. I guess if my lockdown experience hadn't been high tension with managing full time work, home school and new baby, but instead has been lovely woodland walks and hours of doing fun craft with no other pressures I guess I would have found it entirely different.

If one more person tells me it's been a lovely opportunity to slow down then I will not be responsible for my actions.

See Clockstop stuff like that really annoys me. The people who loved lockdown would probably have loved it a lot less if people like DS hadn’t gone to work in a distribution centre and supermarket so they could have their Amazon and food deliveries.
Most people I know have struggled the same as you, either working and trying to home educate or living alone and struggling with loneliness and isolation.

So many people over there absolutely loving the misery of this. It's almost like they'll be disappointed if there aren't half a million cases, thousands of deaths a day and 4 weeks of lockdown because of Christmas.

Do you think when this is all over there will be a group of people with absolutely no idea how to function because they are no longer being told what to do and what to think?

@Iheartmysmart

Do you think when this is all over there will be a group of people with absolutely no idea how to function because they are no longer being told what to do and what to think?

I do. Absolutely.

Also want to add, next time I see that covid ad on TV (the one where its a green mist) im chucking something through the screen.

I'm one of the SAHM who took 2 of my DC out of school to protect them. But not from any virus. No, I took them out to protect their mental health. I didn't appreciate the school teaching them that they were disgusting little plague spreaders and that teachers were afraid of them.

I absolutely loathe being lumped in with those frightened of the virus (which DH and I have had) and I suspect there are many mothers like me.

The way children have been treated and referred to throughout has been absolutely appalling. It’s actually quite scary if some posters on other threads really are teachers. They seem to absolutely hate children.

I don't watch TV or listen to radio at all now. I've boycotted Radio 4 since Saint Boris said "squeeeeeeeeeeeeeze the brakes" in August (heart about six times in one hour), and then more serious Radio 4 voices talked of "hitting the pause button". Occasionally I'm bombarded by Covid propaganda just outside my front door, on a bus shelter.

My heart bleeds for Boris, having to be Scrooge, when he is so desperate to be liked. Don't read it unless you're a masochist, but there is veritable salivating and drooling on a thread that Christmas might yet be cancelled. That thread is spilling over into "trending now" - I wish MNHQ would do something about that. I regularly report threads which should be in the Coronavirus Quarantine area, now home of the Scrooges.

@Iheartmysmart Do you think when this is all over there will be a group of people with absolutely no idea how to function because they are no longer being told what to do and what to think? Certainly there will. But I don't think this is an entirely new problem: I used to be a driving instructor some years ago, and I found that for some of the 17-year-olds, it was the first time in their lives they'd had to make decisions, implying that they are micromanaged through their teenage lives. I also noticed that more more wealthy they were, the harder they found it to decide anything.

Bunch of Trunchbulls. Luckily, DD2 has an excellent teacher and v strong friendships so she has been shielded (ironic word choice, sorry) from a lot of this.

This SAHM loves the DCs being at school. They need it. They need more than me. My ego does not revolve entirely around my DCs. Because of the prolonged lack of things to do, people to do things with and no spontenaity, I find the weekends and holidays hard now and too reminiscent of lockdown.

That doesn't mean I don't love my children dearly, and I know you lot will get that and I won't get some smart arse thinking I can't wait to get rid of them, but at 10 and 7, they're not meant to be constantly with mummy. 25 years ago, I'd have been turfing them out to play on the green 50m from the house. They would have had more independence outside the home.

When I had children, I kept some interests up. When I stopped working, I filled some of the gaps (easier as they were school/ nursery age). There are too many (but not all) SAHMs who entwine too much of their identities to their children and that does neither any good.

Fair enough taking children out of a system that is causing them distress. Very different to people dumping their stress onto them. As DS1 is an anxious type anyway, I've always done my best to be straight and downplayed with him. He was struggling in Feb/ Mar time when everything was so new and unsettled. It's actually DS2 struggling more, but that's friendships and lack of continuity rather than directly the virus itself.

Anyway, this morning, I have a 10yo! I must put some candles in a potato for him

@wanderings Shudders! I just had a look at that thread, some of the comments are really awful. Have to be honest and say that there are a few regular posters who I will no longer think of in quite the same way again.
I know what you mean about teenagers. I always told DS that as long as we didn’t need to claim on the house insurance or call an ambulance then to crack on and try things. He’s now really good at making up his own mind whereas some of his more mollycoddled peers are a bit hopeless.

Arghh the “cancel Christmas” brigade threads are doing my head in.

1. Since about 95% of the population of Mumsnet and Facebook seem to be deciding for themselves not to see any of their family at Christmas despite what the rules say then wtaf are they worried about? Seems to me that the majority of people have heeded to Chris Shitty’s monotone message of just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

1. I have 4DC all at school. This means that every single bloody day, my family mix with 120 households. At Christmas, people will be mixing with 1-3 other households, who are their own family!!! In addition, so many people who plan to meet with family have been isolating beforehand and so can’t possibly cause any spread of covid.

It’s all such utter bollocks. What has everyone on those threads done with their critical thinking?

I do think there are some people who, for whatever personal reasons, quite enjoy lockdowns. If you have a high pressure job and lifestyle, and suddenly (as in March) a lot of that pressure is removed, yet you can still afford to eat, heat and entertain yourself and your family, because the government is paying you, well, you are laughing, aren't you?
I retired nearly 7 years ago now. The feeling was fantastic, but it wears off and the new lifestyle becomes the norm within a year. So similarly, with lockdowns. Will people tire of them and start to get restless? Will they suddenly feel that the absence of real life things that we all enjoy just isn't worth it?
I find it strange that a large percentage of these type of people post on MN advocating lockdown. Are these people real? I do wonder. Or does it just say more about MN's demographic?

One of the advantages of being a lone parent and having to work a lot is that DD has had to learn to fend for herself much more than many of her friends, and I notice she's more independent as a result. There are clearly many disadvantages, but it's not all bad!

Ugh I wandered onto the Cancel Christmas thread too (is there a way to hide them from active???)

All these people saying "Christmas isn't cancelled, we're just spending it with our little family" with no concept that for many people they'd actually be alone alone. Eejits.