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NannyGythaOgg · 10/12/2020 16:01

... whilst waiting to see if the kids are or are not going to school next week and walking with imaginary cows.

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MercyBooth · 17/12/2020 22:12

@AcornAutumn True. Ive been taking Vitamin D since 28 Nov. Hoping it will help.

MercyBooth · 17/12/2020 22:54

Its A Sin. Upcoming Channel 4 drama about the 1980s AIDS crisis.

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MercyBooth · 18/12/2020 00:17

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@eleonorasfalcon
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@LPodengo
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@UKCovid19Stats
Unfortunately this is nothing new, massive underinvestment in the NHS in general & the Welsh NHS in particular has been going on for years.

Dad spent a week in the assessment ward behind A&E because there were no brds in the wards in 2017

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 18/12/2020 06:36

@Iheartmysmart

We’ve had a nightmare as a family with the NHS. DM was told it was her age when in fact her heart was failing, one DGM was dropped whilst in hospital causing awful injuries, other DGM caught MRSA and c-diff in hospital and DS was told by the GP that his suicidal thoughts would go once he’d done his GCSEs - he was 13 at the time. I have no desire to protect it.
@Iheartmysmart I feel awful for saying it anywhere but here but I feel the same. My dad was fobbed off for almost 4 months with different antibiotics for a water infection and made to feel like such a malingerer. He ended up collapsing and fitting at home one day. Called an ambulance and he was taken to hospital where after running some tests, discovered he had prostate cancer. 4 months of no treatment, he had no chance and died just weeks later. One of my DB had an accident. Damaged his shoulder. He complained of pins and needles in his legs and numbness in his arms. This got worse over time and hospital kept telling him its in his head. He kept falling down so they said he sprained his leg and gave him a boot. The falls became more frequent, they told him he had to get used to the boot and the numbness in his hand is likely arthritis. They ignored him fir almost two months. Long story short. The accident had crushed parts of his spine. He is completely paralysed now. He had spinal surgery but this was unsuccessful as it had been left for too long.

So I've very little sympathy for a service who left my father to die and paralysed my brother.

I understand that some people have excellent experiences but a national health service should have a standard level of service, it shouldn't be pot luck.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 18/12/2020 06:41

@MercyBooth there was very little coverage regarding Tobias Ellwood yesterday wasn't there?

LivinLaVidaLoki · 18/12/2020 06:53

Also the idea of us doing this to protect the NHS when up to a 3rd of people in hospital with covid caught it in there (it was between 17% and 25% depending on your location but this is ever rising) then maybe, just maybe the hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed if they stopped making people sick whilst in there.

TabbyStar · 18/12/2020 07:16

Oh and i tripped over a traffic cone today in Tesco car park. And walked into a bollard. Take a guess why.

I walked into a shelf (sticking out of the aisle just round the corner) in Waitrose yesterday. My basket hit it so it made a big noise and people stared. Normally I wear my glasses down my nose to stop them steaming up and look upwards to see out of them and then push them onto my head when I need to read something (I need them only for distance) but I was wearing a hat so I just took them off. Then I started to get really hot (perimenopause) and was on the verge of a panic attack at the self serve checkout. I crouched down and took my mask off temporarily so I could breathe properly. Staff must have seen me but they carried on chatting.

Yesterday I also found out that I'm probably losing my longest-term client as the project I work on is being stopped and staff being made redundant, we are staying in tier 3 so DD can't go back to work and she has a mental health assessment next week, and DB's hotel is moving into tier 3 so that's under threat too, and it took him a year and a half to get that job because he has health problems. That's just the effects on one small family.

Today we are rebelling and going to tier 2 for brunch though!

TabbyStar · 18/12/2020 07:20

Also sorry for those of you who have had bad NHS experiences Thanks. Us too, though we have also had some great ones.

I think it's inevitable that covid will spread in hospitals, and I've seen some figures that indicate it's higher than that. The things I object to are making areas tier 3 because of hospital (or care home or prison) spread and not preparing the NHS better over the summer other than the totally useless Nightingale hospitals.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 18/12/2020 07:27

@TabbyStar
The things I object to are making areas tier 3 because of hospital (or care home or prison) spread and not preparing the NHS better over the summer other than the totally useless Nightingale hospitals

Absolutely this.

Iheartmysmart · 18/12/2020 07:49

@LivinLaVidaLoki So sorry to hear you’ve had bad experiences of the NHS as well, they are far worse than mine.

I can’t work out why it can be so bad, incompetence, apathy, who knows. I do remember visiting a friend in hospital at around meal times and an older lady in the bed next to hers was in with a broken shoulder blade. Each mealtime they would put her dinner just out of reach and walk away. I used to cut her food up for her and help her eat otherwise she’d get a breezy “not hungry” comment and the meal would be taken away. Hmm no, hungry but can’t eat unaided!

There is an article in the Mail about Tobias Ellwood and his hypocrisy. Shall read later when my eyes wake up properly and coffee has been consumed.

Bollss · 18/12/2020 08:09

I personally would rather pay a bit more tax for things like the above to stop happening. I had an awful experience giving birth to DS. It shouldn't be a lottery. And certain things should be much easier. For instance I was reffered to ent clinic for my tmj. Got an appointment which was then cancelled because lockdown. Then they wouldn't reinstate it because they refuse to see people with that condition. Gp can only offer painkillers (hahahahaha they can try many other drug treatments but won't) they reffered me back. Got told no. Couldn't refer me to next closest hospital as in same trust. Only place who will see that condition is the dental institute in Leeds which is miles away. Tried to refer me. Nope. Wouldn't take it from the gp. Will only take it from the dentist when a) it's not a fucking dental issue and b) the dentist won't see anyone for checkups etc so won't / can't refer me. Brill. I'd happily pay more tax to stop fucking about and actually be able to access the healthcare I fucking we'll need. I'm v close to just paying private. I shouldn't have to do that.

TabbyStar · 18/12/2020 08:25

TMJ and facial pain is a nightmare, I've been to ENT, neurology, opthalmologist, dentist, osteopath, and acupuncturist about mine. Finally seeing an NHS physio who specialises in it (took a year to actually get to her). I haven't been to max fax, though they seem a common referral though are actually useless in lots of cases. A friend suggested TMJD, not any medical practitioner!

countrygirl99 · 18/12/2020 08:53

DS2 had a bladder issue. He had scans, camera uo.his willy etc before diagnosis. Mid treatment, which was working, he moved over 2 hours away to Nottingham. If he was transferred to QMC then would have started from square 1 with scans, camera etc.

NeedWineNow · 18/12/2020 09:03

[quote LivinLaVidaLoki]@TabbyStar
The things I object to are making areas tier 3 because of hospital (or care home or prison) spread and not preparing the NHS better over the summer other than the totally useless Nightingale hospitals

Absolutely this.[/quote]
Another one seconding this. DH's sister had a fall and went into hospital with a broken arm. Admittedly she was quite frail in some ways but she died 10 days later 2 days before her 66th birthday. Some months later the hospital wrote to DH and said they were launching their own investigation which found that there were a catalogue of errors, including neglect. The report made for appalling reading.

As I said to my boss earlier this week, the NHS being overwhelmed at this time of year is nothing new. Every year there are screaming headlines of the NHS not being able to cope, lack of beds, people left on trollies for hours, and infections caught in hospitals.

110APiccadilly · 18/12/2020 09:08

I'm going to give credit where credit is due - I can't praise everyone involved in DD's birth enough. Absolutely amazing maternity ward and community midwives. But I've previously had terrible experiences of the NHS (which have generally led me, too, to rate paramedics highly and doctors somewhat less so!)

I was reading some of the reports coming out of Shrewsbury and Telford maternity services and was so grateful I don't live there - but good health care shouldn't be luck of the draw depending on where you live!

BogRollBOGOF · 18/12/2020 09:43

Sometimes it's the little things in the NHS.

I know I've mentioned it before, but my SPD was not picked up by the GP or my MW with the end result that I couldn't leave the house independently for weeks at the end of pregnancy after months of battling on to try to keep mobile and active. I actually did myself more harm by doing things like breastroke because I didn't have access to advice to self-help and minimise damage.

When I finally did have baby, I just beached up on my back because I could barely stand and bare my own weight. No help in getting into a more beneficial position. Labour ward was heaving (it took over an hour in the waiting room to get a bed) no real support with things like pain relief and talking through what was happening. After the long labour, the EMCS, and the 24+ hours in HDU, I got dumped onto main ward in the middle of the night to free up the MWs and was left to get on with it. Ar one point, I dropped him on his head into the crib when my strength gave out. I hadn't stood up and walked for over 48 hours and was barely capable of that in the week before. I nearly missed breakfast the next morning after having no food since 5pm because I hadn't been told that breakfast was in the day room. They did grudingly bring it to me after I insisted that I hadn't been capable of walking that far in a month. The next few days, I had to shuffle off to get it.
On discharge, a few days later, we asked if I could use a wheelchair to get to the car because it had been months since I had been capable of walking that far. I was told that if I couldn't walk that far, I wasn't fit to go home. I couldn't bare being in that place a moment longer so shuffled out a few steps at a time taking half an hour to make it to the exit of the building.

It pales against the impact of some of your experiences of poor diagnosis, but there were some little things there that would take very little time and no money to resolve. The birth probably always would have been difficult, but it didn't need to be that hard mentally. I sobbed on DS's first 2 birthdays because it was a more traumatic anniversary than happy. It was when he got to 3 and it was his day, plus I'd had a better birth with DS2, still difficult, but better supported, before DS1's birthday became a happier day about him. That day is tomorrow and it's worth having his best mate from his class over because there's already been too many of his birthdays where I've struggled. He deserves happy birthdays.

My timehop today has lots of pictures of softplay and climbing from previous parties.

And the bar meal because I felt like I needed to post something in order not to be suspiciously quiet as the build-up to labour was taking a long time since the panto the previous evening Xmas Grin

Iheartmysmart · 18/12/2020 09:50

My birth with DS wasn’t great, a 46 hour labour followed by an emergency c-section. Nothing compared to the lack of care on the ward afterwards. DS left out of reach in his crib, hit and miss heparin injections and pain relief, being screamed at by one of the nurses because I was doing something a nurse on the previous shift had told me to do, lack of decent food, disgusting toilets and showers. I could go on but I’m sure many of you know how it is.
DS is an only child....

rosettesforjill · 18/12/2020 09:53

Well, DS's school bubble burst today so that's him isolating until Christmas Day. Marvellous.

SirSamuelVimes · 18/12/2020 10:13

@rosettesforjill

Well, DS's school bubble burst today so that's him isolating until Christmas Day. Marvellous.
Crap. Is he actually a close contact? Lots of schools aren't doing full bubble closures now, does he really have to stick to full isolation?
BogRollBOGOF · 18/12/2020 10:16

@rosettesforjill

Well, DS's school bubble burst today so that's him isolating until Christmas Day. Marvellous.
Oh no Sad I have tried to be more organised this year because of the potential for isolation.

Two of our Brownies are isolating so when we did our present/ badge deliveries, we still included them but stood well back. They were two of the most thrilled looking girls at the end of a tedious week Xmas Grin
Most girls were in stunned silence that the leaders had found them, not to mention the costumes...

rosettesforjill · 18/12/2020 10:22

@SirSamuelVimes I don't know how close the contact was. He hasn't mentioned any of his good friends being off but he's six and not reliable at remembering/relaying important information!

Feeling really upset that it's thrown off our Christmas plans. I haven't seen my parents for months and I'm not sure when we'll next be "allowed" Sad

rosettesforjill · 18/12/2020 10:23

@BogRollBOGOF thankfully I did have some contingency plans in terms of shopping etc so we'll be ok. I just want this whole thing to fuck off though!

Reedwarbler · 18/12/2020 10:52

Just been reading that our main hospital for the county has only ONE ward that is covid free. I really do wish the figures would show what percentage of infections are where. I bet the increase in our area is just down to the hospital. I still don't know of anyone directly who's had it, it's just so and so neighbours son, or someone's cousin's friend.

Just been to Tesco's for hopefully the last shop before Christmas. They have gone mad with cones and barriers again, meaning a long walk in rain and howling wind to collect a trolley and get back to the door. I was so annoyed by the time I got there I gave a cone a hefty kick while saying 'this fucking shop'. I had no idea cones were so heavy. The cone only moved a few inches and I hobbled away, my big toe throbbing. That'll teach me.

Plibber · 18/12/2020 11:05

My husband has a colleague whose wife is a hospital doctor in a London hospital.

They are so short staffed through people having to isolate etc that she's been put to work on a Covid ward (nothing like her usual area of expertise, but fine - she's happy to do it). And they've just had all Christmas leave cancelled, because staffing levels are so desperate.

BUT despite the public regularly being told that we need to protect the NHS, she and her colleagues have been told that in their NHS trust, they are not high up the priority list for the vaccine.

OK, she is young and healthy and personally not at great risk of serious illness. But if she gets Covid and is off for a few weeks, then the hospital becomes even more short staffed. Who will backfill her position then? There is no one.

Where is the logic in that? It's hardly "protecting the NHS", is it?!

BogRollBOGOF · 18/12/2020 11:51

One of the complications on hospital capacity is when a "clean" ward has a case of Covid identified and then has to close.
I'm not going to pretend that I've got a good grasp of the logistics Grin

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