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... whilst waiting to see if the kids are or are not going to school next week and walking with imaginary cows.

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@wanderings

Somebody needs to remind Saint Boris (someone asked me to stop calling him "Uncle Boris") that LIFE ITSELF has a 100% mortality rate. Why are he and his merry men so keen to eradicate death?

Notice also how Saint Boris is "too busy with Brussels" to break this latest news. He's desperately trying to avoid being Oliver Cromwell himself, he'd rather delegate that.

CS Lewis said that dictators who believe they are doing this "for the greater good", or "in the interest of health" are actually worse than the evil dictators, because they have the total blessing of their consciences.

A Wetherspoons has started displaying anti-lockdown propaganda in their windows. Good. We need more of this, like the "Three Bellends". Will there be some similarly named pubs in London now? And I hope that pubs, restaurants and the like start snubbing the MPs who forced them to close, and ban them for life unless they pay ten times as much.

This is the point being made in the lectures I was doing yesterday - from a geriatrics specialist who is treating a ward full of elderly covid patients "getting worse rather rapidly"... that "none of us are getting off this planet alive"

In the long list of things that could await me in the future - I have to say I'm with her view that MND is the one that really terrifies me. You could hear the fear in her voice discussing that as the one condition she really feared for herself.

I don't know what the grand scheme of things is - I think there's a large experiment to see just how far the nudges can work before people refuse to comply (which will be deployed constantly after this) now. I think they've just got too far down the rabbit hole of staying safe, stay at home, chuck us out to clap once a week for morale - and however and whenever they relax things - there will be people who need those boundaries to feel "safe" (like those kids who need very clear controlled boundaries) and who will shout and scream to keep them in place for everyone. What I fear is that next time we look like having a remotely crappy flu year, or the hospital A+Es get full every winter - people will be demanding another lockdown and the precedent has been set - we'll never get back to where we were.

I do think there are stooges active on pretty much every social media channel whipping up the terror when the conductor of the nudge orchestra of public opinion decrees this is required - and then I think we descend into a twat spiral where those who delight on jumping on everyone for everything going (the ones who used to berate you for owning a car, using coffee pods, buying nestle, shopping at primark, owning a toilet brush and not changing your sheets every 37 seconds) have absolutely loved the opportunity to be complete bitches to people as well.

Snuggly babies! I remember one handed typing with DD1. 10 years ago now! .

@DominaShantotto What I fear is that next time we look like having a remotely crappy flu year, or the hospital A+Es get full every winter - people will be demanding another lockdown and the precedent has been set - we'll never get back to where we were.
I know. This prospect is absolutely terrifying, and this is what I think we are sleepwalking into.

I think some people are still pro lockdown because they genuinely think it's the way out. I'm still hearing people saying the tougher the measures, the sooner it'll be over. There is a real misunderstanding about the point of lockdowns.

I am very pro vaccination and would have it if offered, but I will be way, way down the list and I accept that we should be opening up with the expectation that a lot of low risk people, including me, will get it (and, most likely, feel shit for a couple of weeks, then recover).

There is a lot of talk about teachers being prioritised for vaccines "otherwise how can we open up?" Well, because the people who are likely to die or get seriously ill will have been vaccinated and it doesn't really matter at that point how prevalent it is in schools!

[quote wanderings]**@DominaShantotto* What I fear is that next time we look like having a remotely crappy flu year, or the hospital A+Es get full every winter - people will be demanding another lockdown and the precedent has been set - we'll never get back to where we were.*
I know. This prospect is absolutely terrifying, and this is what I think we are sleepwalking into.[/quote]
Sadly I know people who are already saying this along with mask wearing and SD every winter. 🤯

How about if the sectors which the government has decimated start refusing to pay tax?

There's been a lot of discussion of this in the Excluded UK and Forgotten Ltd groups, but the potential for it to cause us problems is too great when we're already in a mess. Of course a lot of the big multinationals already don't pay a fair share.... In reality though there are lots of people who can't afford to pay the various taxes, income, corporation or VAT. HMRC seem to be much more aggressive this year with text and email reminders about self-assessments. They are making arrangements for people to pay in installments, though some of these carry interest. Other people have had debt collectors called in, but they've had to use the money for food and bills so there's nothing left. Some have been denied universal credit because of money put aside for tax (though this is incorrect). The whole thing is a complete mess.

@DominaShantotto yes I’m scared about that too. Masks and lockdowns every few years.
DH and I keep talking about the day we can burn our masks (March?) but the likelihood is I’ll just put mine away for the flu of 2022.

@rosettesforjill yes agreed about the CV in schools thing.. but how do we ever get out of this? At one point do we say actually someone has it in your bubble but it no longer matters and you can all still go to school? There will be uproar.

@rosettesforjill

I think some people are still pro lockdown because they genuinely think it's the way out. I'm still hearing people saying the tougher the measures, the sooner it'll be over. There is a real misunderstanding about the point of lockdowns.

I am very pro vaccination and would have it if offered, but I will be way, way down the list and I accept that we should be opening up with the expectation that a lot of low risk people, including me, will get it (and, most likely, feel shit for a couple of weeks, then recover).

There is a lot of talk about teachers being prioritised for vaccines "otherwise how can we open up?" Well, because the people who are likely to die or get seriously ill will have been vaccinated and it doesn't really matter at that point how prevalent it is in schools!

I'm the same as you, rosettes. I'll take the vaccine if/when it gets to me, though I have to say it seems like a massive waste of money to vaccinate people like me, who are young and healthy with no risk factors, and most likely have already had Covid with no serious illness or lasting problems.

But the terrifying thought that keeps my jaw clenched and my teeth hurting is the one talked about up thread, that the genie is out of the bottle now, and how do we ever leave this behind for good? I never want to see another lockdown. I never want masks and distancing to become the norm. And I'm very, very scared that these will now be rolled out every time there's a threat to "public health".

@TrustTheGeneGenie

In other news I was woken up by a car smashing into the wall over the road. It totally shit me up. Not sure how he did it. Must have totally missed the bend the div. The wall came off much better than his car.

Bloody hell.

I’ve seen some awful driving just walking around. I know I feel like my brain has fallen out so perhaps drivers do, or they just don’t give a shit? Or drunk or stoned?

My dad always used to say, think about the position of your house and can a driver crash into it. Not that I have much hope of a house!

@zigaziga I guess you would start by reducing bubble sizes and eventually saying you only need to isolate if you are the one with Covid. It looks like it might be going in that direction with the suggestion of increased testing of bubbles so that only those who test positive have to be out - then I think I would scrap the testing and say only isolate if you have symptoms and then test positive.

Please note - I am neither a doctor nor an immunologist and have not studied science since GCSE (except some music psychology at university) so this may well be a terrible idea

@MercyBooth

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1338425336955105280?s=20

Sky News
@SkyNews
Karin Olsen-Porthouse and Chris Gough tell Sky News about a choir of ICU staff that are releasing a cover of 'Every Breath You Take' in a bid to become Christmas number one

See, I read things like this and I imagine Chris Morris (he of The Day Today and Brass Eye) shaking his head and going; nah, satire is over.

Sorry, I know the convo has moved on since last night, I'm just catching up over a coffee

@SirSamuelVimes I'm not particularly bothered about voluntary or recommended masks but enforcing social distancing long term would make me really angry. If other people want to keep their distance from me, they can knock themselves out, but I'm not going to spend the rest of my life standing at least two metres away from my own mum!

[quote rosettesforjill]@SirSamuelVimes I'm not particularly bothered about voluntary or recommended masks but enforcing social distancing long term would make me really angry. If other people want to keep their distance from me, they can knock themselves out, but I'm not going to spend the rest of my life standing at least two metres away from my own mum![/quote]
This confuses me

I keep away from people in the outside world but distancing isn’t law. You don’t have to distance from loved ones indoors. Or even outdoors come to that.

@AcornAutumn sorry, I was exaggerating a bit My mum stuck to 2m for about five minutes when we were first "allowed" to visit in the summer. The issue is that she lives 200 miles away and has been in tier 3/lockdown for all but about two weeks in July. So 2m is the least of my worries really. I can't justify driving the whole family 3.5 hours to see her for a stroll in a park

I think a lot of people would like it to be law though!

[quote rosettesforjill]@AcornAutumn sorry, I was exaggerating a bit My mum stuck to 2m for about five minutes when we were first "allowed" to visit in the summer. The issue is that she lives 200 miles away and has been in tier 3/lockdown for all but about two weeks in July. So 2m is the least of my worries really. I can't justify driving the whole family 3.5 hours to see her for a stroll in a park

I think a lot of people would like it to be law though![/quote]
Is your mum alone?

It isn’t yet illegal to travel between tiers.

When all this kicked off, I was getting confused between law and guidance. It’s really important to look at the law. A lot of what’s being said is guidance.

I don’t watch linear TV and saw breakfast news for the first time in years this morning. No wonder people are terrified.

I follow some of the anti dementoring scientists on Twitter to get my news and the difference between MSM and the anti lockdown science is scary.

@Worldgonecrazy

I don’t watch linear TV and saw breakfast news for the first time in years this morning. No wonder people are terrified.

I follow some of the anti dementoring scientists on Twitter to get my news and the difference between MSM and the anti lockdown science is scary.

I don’t see MSM either. Occasionally I hear what idiocy has been expressed and it does shock me. But what’s more shocking is that people have fallen for it.

@AcornAutumn no, she isn't. She lives with my dad and they have a support bubble with my grandma (my grandpa died last year). I can travel there - but realistically I would need to stay overnight, and I don't think they want that risk at the moment - she's a vicar and has some contact with a lot of vulnerable elderly people in addition to my grandma.

We definitely bent the rules over the summer but it was a bit of a different situation with regard to infection rates then.

I also think it's incompetence not conspiracy.

I do as well.

I also think perhaps this UK government and it's focus on Brexits was perhaps in bad place to deal with anything else from the word go - but the media hasn't helped - I think we'll look back and realise we were in the grip of a moral panic on top of a pandemic.

Speaking of incompetence - DC school e-mail apparently they were suppsoed tobe offering chidlcare from a select group of children in y7 and Y8 - and would do so from today. Same time they've today told the kids - not us parents - they are only doing morning lessons for rest of the week.

So distance learing is leading to a loss of teaching time again - even for my Y11 child.

I too would agree it's incompetence, not conspiracy, and there is also a lot of nest feathering going on as well. This pandemic is going to make quite a lot of people very rich, or even richer, while things just get worse for the poor.
I do wonder how much of it is just doing what your neighbouring country is doing and hoping for the best. Most of Europe seems to be following a similar course, with repeated lockdowns, curfews etc, although it is patently obvious that absolutely none of it is a solution to the problem. Someone will break ranks eventually and then I bet we will all follow suit. I can envisage vaccinations being given to the older age groups and then a lot of restrictions being quietly dropped and test and trace stopping. Yes, it would be inconvenient for a while if a lot of people are ill (but not fatally so, or needing hospital care) for a short time, but if that is all it is, we will just have to learn to live with it. Instead of spending money on fighting covid (apart from vaccinations) that money should be put into improving hospital(prison/care home/factory) infection control and enhancing the pay of care workers to make it an attractive career.

Reed “ Someone will break ranks eventually and then I bet we will all follow suit”

Sweden did this already and aren’t Switzerland doing it now?

@AcornAutumn. I’m disappointed but not surprised that people are falling for it. We are always told how great and independent the BBC is, yet very few people are aware of the current Ofcom COVID reporting restrictions and regulations so absolutely believe what they see and hear. Add that to the constant 24/7 scaremongering media and I understand more the scared eyes peering out from behind the masks. The complicity of the media in the attack on our country’s mental health is unjustifiable and I hope there is a hell because all those complicit in this deserve it.

@Orangeblossom77777

I have noticed a new 'masks outside in the streets' thing which seems to have come from Sadiq Khan...hmm I'm not keen on wearing them outside...

"In busy areas" - who defines busy?

Dementor Mayor actually does seem to be angling for London to have a short, sharp snap in T3 though. Apparently the reason he was angling for the review yesterday, and weekly reviews after that, was that this gives hope for London's hospitality to reopen for Christmas. Which would be a big plus for many.

The MSM is all like GLOOOOOOBAL PANDEMIC.... THOUSANDS dead... virus RIPPING through society... UTTER PAIN AND DEVASTATION... This TERRIBLE disease.

Wel, Dementor Mayor has played his cards wrong, I'm in London and reckon we'll be lucky to be out of this before February.