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Ads crave a night on the tiles; vintage chicken, avocado or contemporary stone effect?

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BogRollBOGOF · 29/11/2020 00:28

We might be craving tiles, but we'll leave the woodchip and artex alone unless we're feeling very brave...

Welcome into another thread covering the whole range of life and death, novelty vegetables, DIY, any other randomness and musings about a certain pandemic.

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Orangeblossom7777 · 01/12/2020 16:32

Went for a walk with my friend today and her dog. She stopped to put on a mask as 'people were coming' they were at the other end of the path. It is a worry. I felt more anxious coming away. Stood on the cold for ages at the chemists as a queue to get DS's eczema meds, a guy with a can of lager and a hacking cough next to me. He was waved in and think they knew him. It is a needle exchange as well. Got home now thankfully.

Iheartmysmart · 01/12/2020 16:52

Hmm call me an old skeptic but our local paper is reporting that today has almost double the number of yesterday’s new cases. Nothing to do with the parliamentary vote later I guess....!

Blobby10 · 01/12/2020 17:01

@Pleasedontdothat I actually braved a haircut in October and the mask thing wasn't as bad as I feared. I really missed all the little things that make my twice yearly trip to the salon a really nice experience ie lovely coffee, a chance to browse mags I wouldn't normally read, a good chat with my hairdresser (who has done my hair for 30 years!) but it def wasn't as bad just sitting there with a mask on as it is walking around the shops with it on.

amicissimma · 01/12/2020 17:05

Hold on a minute ...

From that yellow box on the NHS page: "While the vaccine may help protect you from coronavirus, it's still important to follow social distancing guidance and other restrictions to keep each other safe."

So this vaccine may help protect me from coronavirus but I've got to keep away from other people, which implies that it won't prevent me passing it on. So I'm supposed to accept a vaccine that, like any, carries a chance of damaging me, but won't necessarily protect either me or anyone else from Covid.

What. Is. The. Point?

(And I'm very much provaccine)

ISaySteadyOn · 01/12/2020 17:12

False hope.

Sensitivenamechange77 · 01/12/2020 17:13

They have been going on about personal responsibility being the aim from the Spring, so could mean that people get the vaccine and then others can get back to normal? I thought that was the plan, but I guess other things may still stick around...may become more voluntary though.

ISaySteadyOn · 01/12/2020 17:14

But they haven't come for coffee yet at least! That would spark rebellion. Wink

Sensitivenamechange77 · 01/12/2020 17:14

I think it seems to stop people getting seriously ill...but still can get it mildly in some cases. I guess it will cut down on cases in healthcare which is the main aim for the government, taking pressure off healthcare.

ISaySteadyOn · 01/12/2020 17:37

[quote MercyBooth]@ISaySteadyOn Flowers There will be an increase in agoraphobia as a result of all this.[/quote]
Well, that fits right in. If no one goes out, they will conveniently die at home thus protecting the NHS right?

That is the goal isn't it? Save the NHS by not seeking healthcare ever again. I certainly won't. They have made it very clear they are not on my side and there to help at all.

wanderings · 01/12/2020 18:12

No doubt the vaccine “still important to social distance, blah blah” is because they’ve got to say it.

The vaccine was sold as the ultimate cure, before they even knew if one could even exist. As always, saint Boris does not dare to row back on that, because he’s afraid of losing face. I think they’re going to persist with it whether it’s effective or not, then when enough people have had it, quietly shelve certain restrictions, only telling us this in whispers. I think Boris will probably use it as the only way to get out of the corner and his merry men have painted us all into. He won’t then care whether it does the job or not.

I really hope Boris gets a humiliation of being publicly refused entry to a pub, as he is their enemy number one. It was similarly deserving when Tony Bliar was greeted by the Archbishop of Canterbury with “I will not shake your hand, Mr Blair. There is blood on it.”

ISaySteadyOn · 01/12/2020 18:23

Me too.

NastyBlouse · 01/12/2020 18:25

DH had a perspective on the NHS's Yellow Box of Mitigated Responsibility.

He reckons it's about social conditioning rather than the effectiveness of the vaccine(s), and that the gov and NHS are concerned that talking about wholly effective vaccines now could potentially send too many people into a frenzy of socialising, visiting relatives, licking doorhandles and rimming minks.

They don't want cases rocketing at the 11th hour, especially as the vaccines are likely to be rolled out in phases according to clinical risk/need.

So the messaging is being managed now so that people en masse don't just chuck the last nine months of distanced behaviour up in the air, going 'to hell with it, there's a vaccine now'.

I think I've explained what he meant, anyway Confused

ISaySteadyOn · 01/12/2020 18:34

That's giving the government way too much credit, I think. Smile

wanderings · 01/12/2020 18:39

@NastyBlouse I’d like to think that your DH is right. The government knows that at the start and end of any restrictions, people will do all the things they’re not supposed to; hence the last hurrah at the beginning of November.

The vaccine is probably a massive placebo anyway, sold to us to make us think danger had passed, but the government is going to tell us it’s the ultimate cure, because it’s what they said at the start. Heck, even the dementors said “I’m never doing xyz until there’s a vaccine “.

TabbyStar · 01/12/2020 18:45

Rimming minks? GrinGrinGrin

TheOrchidKiller · 01/12/2020 18:51

@NastyBlouse
DH had a perspective on the NHS's Yellow Box of Mitigated Responsibility.
I think I agree with your DH. I think there is a school of thought about behavioural psychology that suggests that if you offer a solution too early people will stop too soon with the social distancing, well before initial vaccinations.

This was definitely the reason given for not telling those of us taking part in the vaccine trial if we'd had the covid vaccine or the control vaccine, until the end of the trial. They were worried people might be more reckless if they knew they'd had the covid jab, before they had data on how effective it was.

There was a reassuring SAGE person on radio 4 tonight who said that immunity passports were a daft idea, not least because of the logistics - can't remember his full argument but it was sound.

I've been lurking but not posted for a couple of days. It's all got a bit much - nothing personal but the constant drowning in covid info & feelings of dystopia everywhere hasn't done me much good, so I'm trying to step back a bit. I got properly dementored at work today too. The sight of 2dimensional, laminated Christmas decorations was too much (not allowed anything unless it's encased in hot plastic).

Got home & the kids have stuck fairy lights up, so that's better.

Bollss · 01/12/2020 18:59

Well I used some NHS resources today. They don't want to look after me either. Gp reffered me to breast clinic because of pain and a difference from one side to the other. She wanted them to do an ultrasound. Got there today and the consultant examined me. Told me he couldn't feel a difference so wouldn't be scanning me. Asked him what about the pain. Take ibuprofen. Brill. Let's hope I'm not yet another story of someone finding out there's something wrong when it's too late. Wanker.

ISaySteadyOn · 01/12/2020 19:02

@TrustTheGeneGenie and @TheOrchidKiller Flowers. That's hard.

TheOrchidKiller · 01/12/2020 19:18

@TrustTheGeneGenie
I had that problem years ago. GP offered me the pill as a solution, which I had categorically stated I didn't want or need. So frustrating. I've had an ultrasound & a mammogram & both were "clear", although there was definitely something to feel- they said it was "just hormonal". Nothing seemed to make it better. Ironically, the pain has got less since I hit the perimenopause.

But if you're still worried keep on to your GP.

I was going to suggest getting a comfy bra but that's not easy as we're not allowed to try them on in the shop. Men would not put up with this if they needed to wear testicle hammocks.

Bollss · 01/12/2020 19:55

[quote TheOrchidKiller]@TrustTheGeneGenie
I had that problem years ago. GP offered me the pill as a solution, which I had categorically stated I didn't want or need. So frustrating. I've had an ultrasound & a mammogram & both were "clear", although there was definitely something to feel- they said it was "just hormonal". Nothing seemed to make it better. Ironically, the pain has got less since I hit the perimenopause.

But if you're still worried keep on to your GP.

I was going to suggest getting a comfy bra but that's not easy as we're not allowed to try them on in the shop. Men would not put up with this if they needed to wear testicle hammocks.[/quote]
Thank you. The nurse who was much less dismissive suggested a bra with no underwire as well. I think I will let the gp know that it was a wholly pointless excersize. It hasn't exactly put my mind at rest. He was trying to find reasons for the pain like periods and hormones (am on the pill and have been for years with no issues!) But when I said no to everything he was like oh just take ibuprofen. Brill.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/12/2020 19:56

@TrustTheGeneGenie Thanks

I've a friend who has a small local grocery shop boasting on Facebook that she is refusing to serve anyone without a mask. No exception. I pointed out that its discrimination and apparently I'm the ignorant one.

I'm so over this shit now.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/12/2020 19:59

Oh and our local hospital is asking people not to come to a and e unless its life threatening as they are seeing a large increase in people turning up and it makes social distancing hard.

Well, some things you don't know are life threatening until its too late. Also if you cut out access to a GP and the wait time for non emergency is hours on end, what do you think people are going to do?

Why are we now treating the NHS like its some delicate thing and in need of protection no matter what, and not a public service that we pay for through taxation to help us?

LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/12/2020 20:00

And one more ...I'm on a fucking roll now.

A colleague stated today that she has a friend who works in a covid ward and every single bed has a DNR. So if you are dying there, they'll just let you die.

justasking111 · 01/12/2020 20:05

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Well I used some NHS resources today. They don't want to look after me either. Gp reffered me to breast clinic because of pain and a difference from one side to the other. She wanted them to do an ultrasound. Got there today and the consultant examined me. Told me he couldn't feel a difference so wouldn't be scanning me. Asked him what about the pain. Take ibuprofen. Brill. Let's hope I'm not yet another story of someone finding out there's something wrong when it's too late. Wanker.
Have you ever had mastitis? I had the same problem you are experiencing with one side, pain etc. mammogram then into the consultant all clear, however she said to avoid underwire bras except for high days and holidays and to wear a bra at night. As long as I follow that rule and only bring out the underwear for nights out I am now fine for the most part, although I did have a nasty infection earlier in the year because of scar tissue and blocked ducts from a baby twenty years ago!!
LivinLaVidaLoki · 01/12/2020 20:07

Ok last one now.....
Earlier this year we had a young person attempt suicide. It was quite public so made the local paper.

Anyone who queried if it may have been due to the mental pressure of lockdown (couldn't comment publicly, but yes it was) was met with "they must have had other serious issues too" and that was fine.
But if I point out that a covid death has other underlying issues then I'm a granny murdering heathen.