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Welcome into another thread covering the whole range of life and death, novelty vegetables, DIY, any other randomness and musings about a certain pandemic.

The trouble I see with protests is that there's no cohesive message. They need to pick something that will get to the hearts of people. It's too easy to paint protesters as anti mask, anti 5g etc. Whereas if they were pro peoples businesses not going down the drain, pro proper access to the NHS, pro having proper data and transparency etc, it would win more people over.

I was talking to my "placement" clinician yesterday and she's saying they're busy anyway this time of year as Christmas means a lot of people hit crisis point in terms of mental health and people struggling to process change to routine and the expectations to have a "perfect" Christmas - but this year it's off the scale because Covid's stripped so many of these vulnerable people of their support networks and they're struggling to process the ever-changing "now you can't do this" rule changes.

School can't even do their Christmas lunch this year - they're doing burger and chips McSchool style "in a festive lunchbox". Awful.

And DD2 is Mary in the nativity that we're only going to get to see via video. First time we've ever had anything other than a sodding narrator in the family and I can't go see it! Grrrr!

@wanderings I may be overly suspicious but suspect that even if there were widespread riots over the continuing requirements of social distancing, muzzles and lockdowns any media source reporting on them would be quietly told by GCHQ to stop.

Ive seen more and more people who work in healthcare/NHS. who comment on social media telling the general public what they should and shouldnt be doing. And im including the Corona board in this.
I hate all this. It makes me cringe, & embarrassed to be a HCP. If I tried that sort of stunt my family wouldn't let me forget it.

I also hate pictures of HCPs in PPE or with red mask marks on their faces. 9 months ago it was a novelty & scary. Now it's a bit boring. Who has time to take a picture of themselves at work?

@SufferingFromLongLockdown you make a good point about protests, & about them being for something real. I think the other problem is that protests tend to involve groups of people gathering together, which is feared by so many at the moment.

@DominaShantotto
Mmm, a festive lunchbox, lovely...and ridiculous. I saw kids coming out of our primary with Christingles they'd made. Maybe the satsumas had been quarantined, I don't know, but it was heartening to see something normal for once.

@SufferingFromLongLockdown

The trouble I see with protests is that there's no cohesive message. They need to pick something that will get to the hearts of people. It's too easy to paint protesters as anti mask, anti 5g etc. Whereas if they were pro peoples businesses not going down the drain, pro proper access to the NHS, pro having proper data and transparency etc, it would win more people over.

Problem is, like everything else it gets taken over by extremists - and by those of the opposing pretending to be extreme in order to discredit it.

Yes, I never considered that people could be planted to try to discredit it. I really think they should get marketing people - and they'll have many talented people along them on it with a good Central message that people, including me, can get behind.

Among them

Suffering that is what the protests are about. The media distort the message, though also whoever invited David Icke to speak ruined that one.

It’s very hard to know who to trust but my impression is certainly that the protesters are anti lockdown and want personal freedoms and business to return to normal.

I'm in a queue to get into Costco. The queue is outside, snaking around the car park. Literally everyone in the queue is wearing a face mask (except for me. I'll put mine on when I get to the door).

Maybe they just have cold faces, but I think it's really odd that so many people are wearing masks when they don't have to

@peralypidge always amazes me too when people wear masks outside but I suppose they are following the 'keep it sterile' Roolz which say put it on before you leave home and dont take it off! I have a muzzle in the pocket of each of my coats and one in my car - they each get dragged out over and over and I never put it on before I reach the shop doorway

@pearlypidge

I'm in a queue to get into Costco. The queue is outside, snaking around the car park. Literally everyone in the queue is wearing a face mask (except for me. I'll put mine on when I get to the door).

Maybe they just have cold faces, but I think it's really odd that so many people are wearing masks when they don't have to

I don't it odd. I can only wear one for so long before the floor gets wobbly and I start feeling faint/dizzy so I save those few minutes of being able to wear one for if I'm somewhere that's really busy.

I saw an elderly woman trip down a step at the bank the other day and wondered if the mask had prevented her from seeing it.

I have to lower my mask if there’s any steps.

Thank you to all of you. It's so silly as although I know from having participated in a few of these threads I still felt nervous about daring to criticize anyone in the health service (except Hilary Jones, I don't watch Good Morning Britain but when I hear he has said something about covid I roll my eyes and swear!).
A lot of you have made valid points about none of the health care practitioners being able to speak for everyone else. I used to be a carer and whilst I wasn't always amazing I had colleagues who were rubbish and I am sure that they would be queuing up for plaudits. It's not going to last forever though as I know that more and more people are questioning why it's taken so long to get seen.

I almost never put my mask on before getting to the door. The exceptions are the gym, because I tend to have my hands full with keys and pass and headphones and so on, and the hospital, because I am actually very careful to use my mask correctly in the hospital. (Although half the staff in maternity were wearing them under the nose, so maybe it's not as important as I'd thought?!)

I like keeping my nose and chin warm with a mask at the moment... sorry!

Also, it covers up my double chin.

@SufferingFromLongLockdown my mum had a horrid fall coming out of a shop the other month - black eye, broken glasses (and hers are a really complex prescription so seriously bloody expensive - like £600) and everything and my first comment was "was she still wearing a mask from being in the store" because the bit where you have it near your eyes (especially if you wear glasses and have to tuck it up to reduce the steamy windows factor) fucks with my depth perception and footing completely.

Ah, there you all are
Just catching up

Our school is not going to close next Friday- says has had enough disruption already and too last minute / childcare etc. Fair enough. Bet they are fed up with all this faffing around.

@MercyBooth

No i think some are part of a very emotionally abusive guilt tripping campaign to try and guilt people into not visiting family at Christmas.

What happened with Eid was disgusting but at least they didnt get four weeks of guilt tripping and emotional blackmail beforehand.

But when you bring up holidays abroad...........radio silence

NO DISRESPECT to anyone here who has one booked. No one on here is being hypocritical

Its the do as i say not as i do trope that gets my back up.

I think there is going to be a huge backlash when this is all over.

I’m sat at home instead of sunning myself in Tenerife. Im a victim of the shambles that is the testing process.

After paying £225 for two tests, we took them as instructed to barnard castle, yes that place
Placed them in the box at1pm on Sunday Dec 6

Then we had the awful wait
By 8pm Monday evening and cases packed apart from last bits I emailed the company.

Neither of us were worried about positive results, we have never had any symptoms, look after our health and have stayed really well throughout

We were worried about not getting the result in time to fly

Anyway at 10 pm we got an email to say our results would be through by midnight

So another nerve biting two hours to go. We had to be up at 6-30 to get ready for the taxi, so no nice relaxing early night here
Just before midnight, dh results came through as negative as we expected
We expected the same for mine...but 10 more nail biting minutes and mine finally came through as...no results

It’s not even one of their 5 categories

That was it. No explanation or nothing. I emailed the company ..no reply.
They don’t allow you to ring them.
My dh who worked in it, reasoned that maybe there was a slim chance it would come through the night.
We fell into bed exhausted , woke at 5-30.
To nothing..at 6-30 I cancelled the taxi . At least we got something back.

So, over 50 hours later, still nothing from assured screening as to what my results meant.

So, all this test has done has prevented a healthy woman from going on holiday for a much anticipated sunshine break.

Tui, kindly will let us rebook but at the moment I’m just too traumatised from the stress to even consider it right now.
I slept most of Tuesday.

That’s my take of woe.
No doubt the Ds will say I shouldn’t be going.
Well I’m too old to put my life on hold.
It’s allowed and therefore when I’m healed from the stress I will try again.

It=IT
He though my result hadn’t come through their system.
I was messaging another woman whose husband got his results at midnight and hers didn’t come till 2am
They were flying at an early time too
Her husband was rebooking flights when hers came through showing negative at least

Then they had to cancel the new flight and get upon the original one.

These companies are making a mint

Dowser sorry to hear that

Does your insurance cover you?

It sounds like you got “inconclusive”.

I’m glad you’re allowed to rebook. There are people makimg a mint out of this and it’s shocking.

Meanwhile, there are posts on here about DCs being cold. I can’t believe children are being treated like this.

www.telegraph.co.uk/education-and-careers/2020/12/10/better-ventilation-helps-covid-freezing-children-classroom/

I think the other problem is that protests tend to involve groups of people gathering together, which is feared by so many at the moment.

I'm in groups for people left out of support and a couple of times something has been planned but then there are tighter restrictions, and it's not that people are worried about covid, but that it will lose us sympathy if we break the rules and it's cancelled.

Our school is breaking up next Thursday too.

It's quite convenient for the government that gatherings of people is said to be a bad thing, I think. As that cuts right down on protests.

Also, how is an antimasker defined? Me, I neither want to take away anyone's mask nor force it on anyone. I figure people have the right to do what they like with their own faces. Does that make me one?

Also, how is an antimasker defined? Me, I neither want to take away anyone's mask nor force it on anyone. I figure people have the right to do what they like with their own faces. Does that make me one?

I agree. As I mentioned above, I have one to wear briefly so that I look like I'm doing my bit. I don't agree with people having to wear them but it's easier to look like I'm trying and avoid possible confrontation. I feel the same about vaccinations. I'm not anti for anyone else and not interested in convincing anyone not to have them, they're just not for me. They're useful, lazy labels for lumping people together though

A vast majority seem to agree that masks are a good thing. I removed myself from a conversation the other day where i Was the only person who didn't think they necessarily are... and struggle to wear one anyway - but they were disparaging of poems who can't wear one so I spent feel able to say anything. So that's not an easy thing to campaign over and win the support of the general public. Something's cohesive that people can get behind would be. It needs some clever thinking to get the message just right.

I have just been reading that over 10,000 cases of covid were acquired in hospitals (Telegraph). In our area 15% of covid cases are from the hospital. (NOT from the pubs then, which have been painted as breeding grounds). So why aren't they paying more attention to this? I really don't understand the draconian rules they've created for pubs at all, it doesn't make sense. All these sanctimonious nurses telling us we are selfish if we do such and such, perhaps they ought to look a little closer to home.
Of course the moral is, for gods sake, stay away from your local hospital if you can possibly help it. You are more likely to catch it there than most other places.