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Sean Connery RIP

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Nightnurse53 · 31/10/2020 12:30

He was my favourite Bond.

My granny used to tell us how she dated him when she was 15 when she worked for the milk man.

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YetARRGHnotherBeckyMumsnet · 31/10/2020 15:27

Hello everyone - we just want to make it clear that we won't delete posts that reference domestic abuse here - we'd just prefer it if you didn't call anyone the c-word or similar. We've not removed subsequent posts sharing the video or referencing Connery's comments about women over the years.

Please also refrain from personal attacks towards other posters - we understand the strength of feeling here, but it doesn't negate the guidelines. Thank you.

Clarice99 · 31/10/2020 15:30

you are a believer of title tattle and a bore - @JamminDoughnuts**

I couldn't give a shit about your opinion of me.

Tittle tattle, lol. The evidence of SC's opinion of women is 'out there'.

Abuse apologist vs bore. I know which one I'd rather be Grin

NotYourDawg · 31/10/2020 15:31

As well as everything else mentioned on this thread, I can't forgive him for being one of the worst actors to ever grace the silver screen. I truly can not watch him in anything without cringing.

I have sympathy for his family and those who loved him, but not for him. He wasn't a pleasant person.

TheSeedsOfADream · 31/10/2020 15:33

Just left the Caroline Hirons group as they're all crying and she has defended him shutting down the one timorous poster who dared ask about the violence. It was apparently "Years ago" and "misquoted". Hmm

JamminDoughnuts · 31/10/2020 15:37

As soon as some one prominent dies you can bet Mumsnet posters will have something bad to say about them

NotYourDawg · 31/10/2020 15:37

I've read it all now MNHQ

We now refer to it as "the c-word"? On Mumsnet?

JamminDoughnuts · 31/10/2020 15:38

Some of you are too clever by half

NotYourDawg · 31/10/2020 15:39

As soon as some one prominent dies you can bet Mumsnet posters will have something bad to say about them

Yup, shocking. Calling out someone who proudly agreed with the odd slap for the Missus.

YetARRGHnotherBeckyMumsnet · 31/10/2020 15:39

@NotYourDawg

I've read it all now MNHQ

We now refer to it as "the c-word"? On Mumsnet?

Oh, you can still say cunt - it all depends on the context!
NotYourDawg · 31/10/2020 15:41

thank goodness @YetARRGHnotherBeckyMumsnet I was a bit worried there.

emilybrontescorsett · 31/10/2020 15:41

I think some people have been drinking.
Sean Connery was not a good guy in any sense of the word.
Let's be quite clear , Hitler did many good things for Germany, lots in fact, that does not make him a good guy.

GabsAlot · 31/10/2020 15:42

@NotYourDawg

As well as everything else mentioned on this thread, I can't forgive him for being one of the worst actors to ever grace the silver screen. I truly can not watch him in anything without cringing.

I have sympathy for his family and those who loved him, but not for him. He wasn't a pleasant person.

same here what about highlander the accent! very overrated he suited bond and that was it

thankyou for clarifying mn

zukiecat · 31/10/2020 15:45

I've never been a Bond fan, can't stand those films to be honest.

I did like him in First Knight, saw some of it being filmed.

I've been told by an actor friend who has worked with and met Sean Connery that he was not a pleasant man.

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/10/2020 15:48

Oh, you can still say cunt - it all depends on the context!

I love Mumsnet.

And I don't love domestic abusers, even handsome, charming, famous ones. There's not pass on DV.

My dad and DH's dad are both of that time and place, just as working class, and came from mill and mine families. There was DV in the families and to a man, they believe it's wrong and famously, one of the generation above was beaten by the other men in the family when he beat his wife. It's NEVER been OK and was always judged by others.

CherryValanc · 31/10/2020 15:54

@Ihopeyourcakeisshit

What's the reference to Clint Eastwood about?
This might answer your question @Ihopeyourcakeisshit

"Among Eastwood's more high-profile conquests during this period was Jane Brolin, then married to Barbra Streisand's current husband James Brolin. According to some of Eastwood's old circle, while wife Maggie was longing to start a family, Eastwood compelled Jane to go to Mexico for an abortion, fearing that word of their affair would wreck both his marriage and his career. Eastwood and Maggie subsequently had two children, Kyle and Alison.

But Eastwood didn't just cheat on Maggie, he beat her, too. Fritz Manes, a high school buddy of Eastwood's who helped produce 17 of his movies (until he fell out of favour), recalls a row between the couple. ``Clint just turned round and knocked Maggie out cold. He really decked her knocked her clear from the living room into the tub in the bathroom.'' It wasn't an isolated incident."

From www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/clint-the-man-with-no-shame-26152887.html

Do men who are violent towards women ever get "cancelled".

There's going to be a lovefest on TV now isn't there, with a plethora of his films isn't there. Those god awful Bond films.

Carouselfish · 31/10/2020 16:07

One of those people you assume will always be around. Devastatingly manly and sexy in his time imo

joanwinifred · 31/10/2020 16:18

@Nightnurse53

He was my favourite Bond.

My granny used to tell us how she dated him when she was 15 when she worked for the milk man.

Your granny had a lucky escape. He loved to beat up women.

Wellhellyeah · 31/10/2020 16:18

He was a rank fucking hypocrite as well as a wife beater. Yes I'll vote SNP with you as you live here. Oh. Wait.Hmm

RainbowParadise · 31/10/2020 16:24

@Carouselfish

One of those people you assume will always be around. Devastatingly manly and sexy in his time imo
If devastatingly 'manly' and 'sexy' is a woman beater I'll give it a miss!
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 31/10/2020 16:31

@SoupDragon

'I don't believe that any level of abuse of women is ever justified under any circumstances' Connery speaks for the first time after cancelling his high-profile appearance at Holyrood's Festival of Politics
Empty words when you consider what he’d said previously. That video - from 1987 - makes it very clear where he’s coming from, and he reiterated the sentiments to Vanity Fair in 1993.

It was only in 2006, when he realised that kind of overt male supremacism wouldn’t fly any more, that he backtracked at all. Still no acknowledgment of the odious things he’d said in the past, no acknowledgement of the harm he could have done with his remarks, no attempt to put anything right.

Because his comments will have done harm, undoubtedly. He was an iconic, hugely successful man and that gave him a platform. He used that platform to legitimise domestic abuse, male violence against women.

Men watching him who were already abusers could have felt vindicated by his remarks, and enabled to carry on abusing. Women watching him who were being abused, and already believing it was their own fault, could have further internalised the blame and been even less inclined to seek support or get away. Imagine the impact on children who watched that, both boys and girls, especially those already living with their fathers’ violence against their mothers.

No, he wasn’t at the extreme end of the spectrum of domestic violence but he was on that spectrum and he celebrated that, he revelled in it, he glorified it. Two women a week on average are killed by their partners or ex partners in England and Wales alone; the stats from Scotland and elsewhere in the world are no less grim. Many other women’s and children’s lives are devastated by DA. And Connery, with his foul, misogynistic, violence-advocating remarks, was fuelling and contributing to the climate where men can and do get away with unconscionable violence towards women.

As his ex wife Diane Cilento said, he was twice her weight. A slap could still do a lot of harm (and according to her, it wasn’t always “just” slaps anyway).

We will never know how many men may have slapped or beaten their partners once or twice more because of what he said. How many women will have stayed in an abusive situation that bit longer because of what he said. How many children will have grown up thinking that this was normal for that bit longer because of what he said.

And also thinking that it was normal for a man to seek to control his partner, generally; that a man is, in fact, the boss in a (heterosexual) relationship and has the right by virtue of his superior physical strength to set the parameters of that relationship and decide what it and isn’t acceptable. Because that’s the mindset that underpins his remarks.

If he’d really changed his views, he would have recognised that his earlier comments were profoundly morally wrong and indefensible, and he would have welcomed the opportunity to use his platform to speak out against all forms of domestic violence including the ones he himself had perpetrated.

Instead, when he learned that he was going to be questioned on that topic in an interview at the Festival of Politics, he just did a big, angry flounce and pulled out of the interview altogether, resulting in the male interviewer apologising to him, the wife beater. And Alex Salmond took his side and joined in the minimising too, for good measure. I guess that video wasn’t on YouTube back then.

In that context I can’t believe he’d had any real change of heart, and he certainly had no intention to repair any of the real harm he will have caused with his remarks.

But, c’est la vie. Here we are in 2020 and celebrities are still spewing misogynistic shite from their vast platforms, even if most of it these days is covert misogyny rather than Connery’s overt brand of it.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/12430892.i-dont-believe-that-any-level-of-abuse-of-women-is-ever-justified-under-any-circumstances-connery-speaks-for-the-first-time-after-cancelling-his-high-profile-appearance-at-holyroods-festival-of-politics-by-paul-hutcheon/

www.scotsman.com/news/people/jealous-connery-beat-me-says-ex-wife-2509499

overnightangel · 31/10/2020 16:38

So having the opinion that a proud domestic abuser is “a horrible cunt” isn’t ok?

Well today has been an education

KaptainKaveman · 31/10/2020 16:39

He was good in a couple of films but I have no.time for tax dodgers. His lawyers, his wife and associates were all involved in fraudulent property dealings and he was a serial tax avoider.
I find it risible when someone blathers on about loving Scotland ( or whereever) but refuses to live there because they are so grasping they won't pay tax. Proud of being Scottish my eye.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 31/10/2020 16:52

@CherryValanc Well that was unpleasant reading, I had no idea.

TheSeedsOfADream · 31/10/2020 16:55

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

Thank you. That's a brilliant and damning synopsis.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 31/10/2020 17:01

Thank you TheSeedsOfADream. I do wonder if/when we will ever get to a point, as a society, where we really have zero tolerance for DA, and other forms of male VAWG.

When you see a known abuser being feted and his abuse glossed over because he was a cultural icon, in the same week we saw a police officer literally get away with murder after he strangled his lover because she defied him, it makes you wonder.