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[Janegrey333]

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

Oh heck, can we please not bring H&M into this one-off thread.

@BarleylemonPenguin

I was just questioning the need for a non-stop thread about H&M - both on here and on MC. It's not like they are really important? They aren't elected

That's precisely the point. They plunder the public purse, just like the rest of the so-called 'royals', without any public accountability. Are they worth it? That's the discussion that needs to be had.

thats fine. but you have to allow people to post an opposing view. not hound them of threads and rip the apart on mc(you in general, not aimed at you personally)

Barleylemon obviously people can discuss away till the cows come home but I doubt anyone is going to have their views on the Royal Family altered by the discussion.

This is very true. And I really, really don't think this should turn into another H and M thread. Haven't people had enough? I know I have.

Yes, fair enough. Agree that although I might be up for a 'royals take taxpayer to the cleaners' discussion, not everyone is on this particular thread.

As an aside, for anyone interested in why HaM became such a focus, it's because they were the latest 'newsworthy' item who brought into sharp focus issues that royals usually like to keep quiet, moot, and swept under the carpet. They succeeded in turning me into a full-republican from a half-republican. I am sure that the queen would have been happy for the public not to know that we have just bailed out her 'Covid-caused losses' in her investments. These issues are now in the public domain because of HaM, because of their profligacy, hypocrisy, and entitlement. Applies to them all, of course, but whereas kept quiet before HaM, now out in the open for everyone to see!

Yes, fair enough. Agree that although I might be up for a 'royals take taxpayer to the cleaners' discussion, not everyone is on this particular thread

When you say ‘discussion’ you mean an opportunity to slag the royal family off in every possible way.

@Roussette

Oh heck, can we please not bring H&M into this one-off thread.

Do you not think that perhaps discussing H&M could have been the single reason that some posters went to the other site? I went there (for only a week) purely because I wanted to continue a discussion about them that wasn’t interrupted with derailing, ranting, arguments about moderation, deleted posts etc. It wasn’t because I wanted to be racist about them (I have a fairly negative opinion of many of the royals, so don’t save up my criticism for just H&M) or because I wanted to pull apart MN posters. I tend to either ignore them on here or else, like now, respond directly.

For those asking why there are so many H&M threads it’s because many of them often go back in time to include sections of historical conversations and information about things like tiaras which is really interesting to many posters; then plenty get deleted so the contents is repeated again in a thread. Yes, I agree it’s also likely some of the causing for deletions would be intentional derailing or postings by PBPs.

In my week on MC, I only went on the one thread and didn’t read any of the others. Some of the things people said, I didn’t agree with with but I actually found in general that people were politer to one another in the conversation than on here. I’m not on any other forums (unless you count two posts made many years ago on NM) but I think MN posters can often be very disingenuous and unkind but I’ve also made some wonderful real life friends from here and have a lot of time and support for the site.

MNHQ have said they are not hosting anymore H&M threads so let's not turn this very interesting thread into one, fail to see what there is left to invent say anyhow

@Port1aCastis

MNHQ have said they are not hosting anymore H&M threads so let's not turn this very interesting thread into one, fail to see what there is left to invent say anyhow

Glad to hear that, I lurked on a couple and had a read - was absolutely astounded how awful they were, and how utterly obsessive they were!

@Port1aCastis

MNHQ have said they are not hosting anymore H&M threads so let's not turn this very interesting thread into one, fail to see what there is left to invent say anyhow

That's great news.

@Port1aCastis

MNHQ have said they are not hosting anymore H&M threads so let's not turn this very interesting thread into one, fail to see what there is left to invent say anyhow

Really? While I'd love to think that was true, there's a thread in The Royal Family topic about them that's been started today!

Yes great news, I saw this info on another thread, however I'm not sure if I'm a!lowed to link as the post is from Michael Mumsnet so let's just say the thread the post is on is speculation (what else) about the Duchess being pregnant and how she must be as she wore a voluminous coat........who knows who cares?!?!?

@SunbathingDragon

Some of the things people said, I didn’t agree with with but I actually found in general that people were politer to one another in the conversation than on here. I’m not on any other forums (unless you count two posts made many years ago on NM) but I think MN posters can often be very disingenuous and unkind

There was a lot of people saying how nice they were being to each other, and therefore what a lovely place it was to be, especially as they could say what they wanted without 'fear' of being moderated.

And then there was a massive amount of slagging off of MNetters and MNHQ, and Justine and specific moderators in particular, which was very unpleasant and really not quite so 'nice'.

I get that some of the topics/conversations probably were quite neutral, but the overall tone of the site was set by those early posts.

And don't forget, it was started initially by people who took great issue at the concept of Premium Mumsnet, or the idea that Mumsnet might need to ask its members to consider donating funds to help keep it going.

The vitriol about that was astonishing given that it was a purely voluntary thing.

One of the first posts was someone who'd trawled through various different sites/sources of information to give all manner of information about Mumsnet's finances, salaries of MNetters and Justine's own personal worth. There was a definite agenda over there to vilify the site, its owners and its staff.

strange how so many posters who complained about mn hqs moderation have come back.

It's been deleted now BIWI.

I assume mn hq has stopped them so they don't have a lot of pbp coming back.

[quote BIWI]@SunbathingDragon

Some of the things people said, I didn’t agree with with but I actually found in general that people were politer to one another in the conversation than on here. I’m not on any other forums (unless you count two posts made many years ago on NM) but I think MN posters can often be very disingenuous and unkind

There was a lot of people saying how nice they were being to each other, and therefore what a lovely place it was to be, especially as they could say what they wanted without 'fear' of being moderated.

And then there was a massive amount of slagging off of MNetters and MNHQ, and Justine and specific moderators in particular, which was very unpleasant and really not quite so 'nice'.

I get that some of the topics/conversations probably were quite neutral, but the overall tone of the site was set by those early posts.

And don't forget, it was started initially by people who took great issue at the concept of Premium Mumsnet, or the idea that Mumsnet might need to ask its members to consider donating funds to help keep it going.

The vitriol about that was astonishing given that it was a purely voluntary thing.

One of the first posts was someone who'd trawled through various different sites/sources of information to give all manner of information about Mumsnet's finances, salaries of MNetters and Justine's own personal worth. There was a definite agenda over there to vilify the site, its owners and its staff.[/quote]
And if you hadn’t selectively chosen just one paragraph of mine to quote, you would see I said I was on the site for one week. I also didn’t read back on any previous threads or even the one I joined in on but just jumped straight in.

[quote BIWI]@SunbathingDragon

Some of the things people said, I didn’t agree with with but I actually found in general that people were politer to one another in the conversation than on here. I’m not on any other forums (unless you count two posts made many years ago on NM) but I think MN posters can often be very disingenuous and unkind

There was a lot of people saying how nice they were being to each other, and therefore what a lovely place it was to be, especially as they could say what they wanted without 'fear' of being moderated.

And then there was a massive amount of slagging off of MNetters and MNHQ, and Justine and specific moderators in particular, which was very unpleasant and really not quite so 'nice'.

I get that some of the topics/conversations probably were quite neutral, but the overall tone of the site was set by those early posts.

And don't forget, it was started initially by people who took great issue at the concept of Premium Mumsnet, or the idea that Mumsnet might need to ask its members to consider donating funds to help keep it going.

The vitriol about that was astonishing given that it was a purely voluntary thing.

One of the first posts was someone who'd trawled through various different sites/sources of information to give all manner of information about Mumsnet's finances, salaries of MNetters and Justine's own personal worth. There was a definite agenda over there to vilify the site, its owners and its staff.[/quote]
Yes indeed BIWI. The other curious thing was that no one seems to know who the mysterious 'Admin' who set up the site actually is.

@Samcro

strange how so many posters who complained about mn hqs moderation have come back.

How do you know they ever left?

Hopefully, with no more Harry and Meghan vitriol discussion allowed on Mumsnet, the poor beleaguered Mumchatters will disperse and not infiltrate this place, the very place they claim to despise so much.

[quote BIWI]@SunbathingDragon

Some of the things people said, I didn’t agree with with but I actually found in general that people were politer to one another in the conversation than on here. I’m not on any other forums (unless you count two posts made many years ago on NM) but I think MN posters can often be very disingenuous and unkind

There was a lot of people saying how nice they were being to each other, and therefore what a lovely place it was to be, especially as they could say what they wanted without 'fear' of being moderated.

And then there was a massive amount of slagging off of MNetters and MNHQ, and Justine and specific moderators in particular, which was very unpleasant and really not quite so 'nice'.

I get that some of the topics/conversations probably were quite neutral, but the overall tone of the site was set by those early posts.

And don't forget, it was started initially by people who took great issue at the concept of Premium Mumsnet, or the idea that Mumsnet might need to ask its members to consider donating funds to help keep it going.

The vitriol about that was astonishing given that it was a purely voluntary thing.

One of the first posts was someone who'd trawled through various different sites/sources of information to give all manner of information about Mumsnet's finances, salaries of MNetters and Justine's own personal worth. There was a definite agenda over there to vilify the site, its owners and its staff.[/quote]
That person is seriously unhinged. I presume it's the same person who did the same on the Red*it threads way back when. Very very odd.

(referring to the Justine troll obvs not Dragon)

I wonder if it's a disgruntled former employee? Definitely someone with a longheld grudge against Justine. Or maybe it's simply professional jealousy?

Morning, everyone.

Yes, just to confirm, we've decided to take a break from hosting further Harry and Meghan threads on Mumsnet.

The H&M threads are moderation intensive, and they take up a disproportionate amount of our resources.

We've tried our best to moderate them but they just descended into guideline-breaking speculation and eventually we had to close several members' accounts.

We also received a number of complaints from Mumsnetters that there's more going on in these threads than meets the eye.
We're aware that there was a fair amount of off-site trolling going on - much of which was related to the Harry and Meghan threads.

Given that these threads generate a lot of reports, and that they attract disruptive trolls, we hope you'll agree that they're not essential to the site right now - so please do work with us by not starting any more H&M threads for the time being.

Thanks

Sorry @SunbathingDragon, quoting you like that wasn't intended to be having a go at you - simply because I couldn't quote your whole post, as it contained in itself a quote - and you can't quote posts with quotes embedded in them.

I picked the bit that I felt was important about MC; it wasn't intended to be a personal criticism.

Many thanks Hebe