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[Janegrey333]

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

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It is institutional racism.

@Smilesy
I really appreciate that. Thank you. I am sure to some the moderation was inconsistent and unfair and they will have felt aggrieved and I get that.
But posters cannot be blamed for that because that isn't fair.
I can only speak about myself and I really did not report posts as a matter of course. Every Single Time I said that, within no time I was told I was lying, and I was reporting all the time. I preferred that posters owned what they said, and it was left to stand, unless of course it was really awful, but we were the scapegoats for deleted posts. Sometimes lurkers would report or MN deleted of their own accord but that was never accepted.

I think H&M were and are so so divisive, there will never be a fair and interesting thread on them

Anyway, I do want to say that despite disagreement between lots of posters on here, I feel I've learnt something, and hope others have too, and I do hope we can move forward. I have great faith in lots of the posters on this thread and do think that some good might come out of what has been a bit of a mess understatement lol

I don’t doubt some are negative because of her race. I wouldn’t deny that racism towards her exist. Racism does exist and is sickening.

However, am I not allowed to have an option on the actions of someone due to their race? None of my own options are due to her race and many I discussed things were weren’t holding opinions due her race. I discussed her actions. I also discussed Harry’s actions equally as much hence my wording of HaM not MM.

@PriorMCuser

I really appreciate your post, thank you. I did a long reply and lost it.

Your point (2) is spot on, so agree. On point (3) I just think this thread is a one off, it will be full soon, and nothing compares to the 700 pages about MN over on t'other site!

Of course we can disagree on the likes of H&M and do it in a reasonable way.

Your second post, thank you so much. I know it's easy to just let things go, and it means a lot to me that you did speak out and now feel you should have done that more. I'm touched I really am.

All the best to you

@Roussette I agree I think this thread will run it’s course and with MN being the larger forum there will be no more discussion of MC. Whereas the HaM thread on MC seemed to be becoming more and more focused on MN and posters such as yourself and that ruined the thread for me completely. I will speak out more if I see similar again. All the best to you also.

@Needmoresleep exactly it was a soap opera! They are in the news constantly. I enjoyed the escapism and I’m not sure why I need to justify my choice of reading material to anyone. No one asked why people post on the Trump thread or the Corrie thread etc etc etc.

@BathtubGin this is why the HaM threads here never got a fair innings. It was always accusations of racism. As I said I am not denying there ARE those with racist intent discussing MM. Really however there are those of us discussing HaM because we are fascinated by their actions (and no I’m not talking about stupid things like her holding her bump that’s a ridiculous thing for anyone to have picked up on with her). It’s a genuinely interesting period in the Royal Family.

I think H&M are only in the daily news if you read the Daily Mail. At least there is a reason for discussing Trump in forensic detail. Those two ex royals are inconsequential really, aren't they?

I can't think of any other celebrities who have had as much attention on here, it's just odd.

I fully understand being bored and wanting to chat online, just can't believe there is still anything to talk about where H&M are concerned.

I think H&M are only in the daily news if you read the Daily Mail. At least there is a reason for discussing Trump in forensic detail. Those two ex royals are inconsequential really, aren't they?

People are free to discuss whatever they like on a chat forum (within the guidelines). The royal family/H&M may be inconsequential to you but not to some and they don't need to be answerable to anyone else as to why they post on there. Trump does not, in my opinion, need to be discussed in forensic detail but I wouldn't question why people post on there. Horses for courses.

@Saucery

Oh give over, Tabs. Did you miss the bit where I said I was a member at the start? I just have a lower tolerance for mean, nasty, racist shite than you, obviously. You’re trying to defend the indefensibly racist, misogynistic and crude. Lol at nasty gifs all you like, it’s a free country. Just don’t try and excuse it or claim you’re a follower of Jainism in the aftermath of a free-for-all website being shut down.

I’m sure they’ll let you back in if you give the secret knock on the door or something. Maybe you have to make the Bookcase one rofl with something crass and distasteful, who knows? I’m sure you’ll work it out

That's the case with 90% of them who have come here. They make excuse after excuse after excuse. To continue to defend the indefensible says a lot about their character.

@UserABCDE12345

I have been on both sites. I wasn't a prolific poster over there as I was more interested in reading.

My views are;
H&M are a pair of prats, both of them, but I can't get overly worked up about it and was confused over the total obsession. Particularly when it could never be confined to the thread and overspilled a lot by 1 particular poster. It got very tedious.

Apart from that godawful picture, I genuinely didn't spot racism. Reading things from here has made me look at some things in a different light. I ignored that poster after that picture, not that I took much notice before as he thought he was a lot funnier than he was, churning out the same tired jokes and I admit I thought it was odd that he was even on there (he is also on here from what I remember). I agreed with the poster who did call that out. That is as far as I went.

I didn't call out the other stuff I didn't like because what would be the point. A) their opinion's were so strong, me saying anything would not change that and B) I loathe any sort of confrontation and would rather avoid it at all costs. I did see the attacks against certain posters on here (on this thread) and looked them up on here to see what on earth was so awful. I didn't see anything to substantiate this. I was genuinely confused as to where this view of them came from.

I'm on the spectrum. I take things at face value. Especially online. I'm also a tad naive and believe that people mean what they say. If someone is saying someone else is awful, why would they lie. I definitely changed my opinion on 1 prolific poster there after realising they were talking shite and I didn't want to engage.

I was genuinely there as an alternative to here. There are things I don't like here, like pile ons and shitty shitty responses for no reason, all in the name of 'robust' discussion. I think MNHQ are mistaken in not stamping down on this a lot more. I was hoping for more reasonable discussions where you would get acknowledgement and responses, unlike here where you get ignored in a sea of reaponses all saying the same. Over there had a lot more of a conversational tone to it and I liked that.

However seeing Rousette and Samcro saying on here that they actually feared to post because of the attacks from over there, is just awful. I think I may have posted over there to say I didn't like the naming of posters from here, I definitely agreed with someone else who said the same. I believed it toned down after that but I never read the H&M threads after so maybe not.

I was hoping for a genuine alternative and it turned out not to be and it's a shame it all turned out the way it did.

However, there are a couple of posters on here, already called out more than once, that what they are saying is inaccurate and I concur. Simon has completely misquoted Daisy which is disgusting and Millie is not representing her 'friend' accurately at all.

Excuse me, but no, I haven't. I'm also not over here to stir after the demise of a racist site, like you.

I really do hope they all get bored and go off to set up another forum that lasts 5 minutes due to their scummy behaviour and leave us all in peace.
Notice how they all loved gloating about posts on here, yet now we mark their demise they don't like it.
Ironic that.

I really do hope they all get bored and go off to set up another forum that lasts 5 minutes due to their scummy behaviour and leave us all in peace.
Notice how they all loved gloating about posts on here, yet now we mark their demise they don't like it

Oh do grow up and put together a cogent argument. You and your 'friend' have been repeatedly called out on this thread. The troll hunters have mentioned you and your 'friend' and I agree with them. For once.

Your friend, makes what she calls a joke, on a forum and you turn it around and take away the voices of those that have been harmed by posters on MC.

Your friend wasn't abused, she was called out for misogyny. For once, members stood up for what they saw.

Strike outs in the context you have stated are passive aggressive. Stand by your comments so people can see you. People are welcome to post here based on the guidelines. Not on your say so.

Yes?

@Janegrey333

I ignored that poster after that picture, not that I took much notice before as he thought he was a lot funnier than he was, churning out the same tired jokes and I admit I thought it was odd that he was even on there (he is also on here from what I remember). I agreed with the poster who did call that out. That is as far as I went.

I agree completely. I didn’t see the Minstrels picture at the time and everyone who did should have called him out on it. The person who posted it has always made me feel uncomfortable.

I was the one who called him out. A lot of posters indicated they agreed with me because they posted 'like' reactions. I also reported his post.

I reported the octopus post and put that poster on Ignore for awhile because I found the image so upsetting.

I supported Daisychain's post by expressing my amazement and consternation with a 'wow' reaction because I could see her point about a username on here. My reaction was based on the fact that the footballers Mario Balotelli and Antonio Rüdiger had been subjected to monkey noises, which was appalling, and because Danny Baker's tweet about the newborn son of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex was absolutely horrible.

The poster with that username might well have a perfectly good reason why she chose it. I do not know. But my visceral reaction to what I perceived as a racist reference was based on the above.

I am angry that Daisychain, who is one of the most measured posters on MN and was one of the most measured on MC, should have been accused of something she is not. SimonJT got it wrong and should do the right thing and apologise, in my view.

I am also angry that Zombie was accused of something she absolutely did not do. She also deserves an apology from SimonJT.

And finally, as anyone who has been on the receiving end will confirm, I pulled posters up on MC - by PM if I could but also publicly if (a) their post was bang out of order, or (b) they took no notice of my PM and persisted. I also reported people and on a number of occasions, said so publicly on the relevant thread. Many many times, my reports were ignored. Getting a response from Admin was like drawing teeth.

Most of my time and attention was spent on one thread. I occasionally popped on to other threads but if anyone thinks I had all day available to me to do Admin's job for them, they can think again. I ran my own thread and I kept it clean. My record on MN is also clean, except for one deletion where I quoted a deleted post...because I was calling it out.

I do not judge all MNers by the actions of a goady few. All MCers, similarly, should not by judged by the behaviour of a goady few.

@BakedCam I'm not going to take "advice" from someone who is an apologist for white supremacists who put up racist imagery and hound two BAME members from here on another site.
I've pointed out that the bullying clearly wasn't dealt with so they assumed they could up the ante. Posters who have run over here have several times denied or limited the experience of posters who were racially abused, do not deflect that to me.
HTH

@PriorMCuser you would have been a brave person to have spoken up.
I saw a couple of posters try and it didn't go down well.
I do find the whole "drove us off the threads" thing a bit silly.
on any thread on mn you are going to get different opinions. but for some reason on those threads, you can only post if you think one way.
The idea that the few posters with a different opinion hold some power is crazy. Mnhq are the ones with the power here.

Time4Chocolate. Of course people can post on almost any subject they like. I was just questioning the need for a non-stop thread about H&M - both on here and on MC. It's not like they are really important? They aren't elected. You have to agree Trump and his possible re-election is a more pertinent/relevant subject matter for conversation.

But your response to my question is "I'll talk about H&M day after day after day because I want to" doesn't really make me understand it better. Never mind, I've run out of interest myself now.

@LilyLangtrey
"Most of my time and attention was spent on one thread"

I presume your own thread you talk about is the Breakfast Club and I hope you can recreate it here, there or anywhere that suits. A brilliant idea for a group of people to check in with each other.

And it sounds like you did what you could as far as reporting. However, the 'like' button that posters press when someone is called out is of no use whatsoever if the Admin is not actually doing any monitoring of the site. The Admin let you all down very badly.

I agree, I also do not judge all on that site by the few. Nor do many on this thread so please, if you do one thing, take that back to your nice little morning club and say that (I am not being sarky or facetious calling it that, I do think it's nice!)
I just want to say that as much as there are MCers who think we are painting everyone the same, we really are not, and I think there is no way we can move on, if all the ex MCers are wrongly saying we are. I could tell there were decent people on that site and it's a great shame it was spoilt by a few.

Thank you, Roussette. I fully agree.

@LilyLangtrey. Great post. I absolutely agree that there is neither all good or all bad on either site and that lessons can be learned from both. I do still think the functionality on MC was much better though 😆.
I also would like to say again that SimonJT needs to apologise.

Isn’t it a bit cheeky for some posters, not all of them of course, to have spent some time complaining about and laughing at MN and its posters and how superior their new site is, and spamming the MN boards with links and sending PMs about joining to members, which are the lifeblood of the site at the end of the day, only to start chatting here again when the new site closes down? It’s a bit like standing outside a coffee shop offering everyone your flask instead, and then going in for a free drink and to use the toilets at the same time!

@Agogastwoagogthingsgogging

Isn’t it a bit cheeky for some posters, not all of them of course, to have spent some time complaining about and laughing at MN and its posters and how superior their new site is, and spamming the MN boards with links and sending PMs about joining to members, which are the lifeblood of the site at the end of the day, only to start chatting here again when the new site closes down? It’s a bit like standing outside a coffee shop offering everyone your flask instead, and then going in for a free drink and to use the toilets at the same time!

Firstly to say that I agree with LilyLangtree entirely. On MC the reactions facility made it possible to express an opinion of a post by attaching one of a number of emoticons. Sometimes easier to just attach a Wow, or Sad or Angry than to engage in an argument. Maybe not brave but not everyone wants to engage in heated debates.

My second point to the quoted post is a good number of the people who used the MC site, me included, never left here and never stopped posting here. (Although I have not been a prolific poster on either site)

People who are members of MN are free to chat on here if they want to and also to chat on other sites. I personally never messaged anyone or spammed the name of other sites although I think this came about after all posts mentioning the name of the other site were immediately deleted. It is also true that the other site was much easier to use. Posters have been asking for like and edit buttons on here for years. Being able to like a post means you don’t waste space on a thread quoting a whole post and then just saying “I agree”. But equally the admin in the other site was in over their head in my opinion and this meant that reports and complaints went unanswered. Like I said, lessons can be learned. But people can post and chat where they choose. All should be welcome if they stick to the sites rules.

@Agogastwoagogthingsgogging

Isn’t it a bit cheeky for some posters, not all of them of course, to have spent some time complaining about and laughing at MN and its posters and how superior their new site is, and spamming the MN boards with links and sending PMs about joining to members, which are the lifeblood of the site at the end of the day, only to start chatting here again when the new site closes down? It’s a bit like standing outside a coffee shop offering everyone your flask instead, and then going in for a free drink and to use the toilets at the same time!

This Couldn't agree more. And the righteous indignation from down about us being glad our posters are now safe to post again without the worry of racist abuse on there and about this thread is the most two faced thing I've ever seen on MN.

I was just questioning the need for a non-stop thread about H&M - both on here and on MC. It's not like they are really important? They aren't elected

That's precisely the point. They plunder the public purse, just like the rest of the so-called 'royals', without any public accountability. Are they worth it? That's the discussion that needs to be had.

That's precisely the point. They plunder the public purse, just like the rest of the so-called 'royals', without any public accountability. Are they worth it? That's the discussion that needs to be had

Barleylemon obviously people can discuss away till the cows come home but I doubt anyone is going to have their views on the Royal Family altered by the discussion.