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[Janegrey333]

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

Just because mc had other topics it does not take away from the fact.
people were hounded by members on there.
this idea that because there were other topics = it was ok, is belittling the nasty stuff that posters on mn had to put up with.

I’ve commented on another thread, thank you @Roussette for your acknowledgment over there.

I was a registered user there, didn’t post much (the one thread I started didn’t get many replies) and didn’t bother with it much - I’d look in to some of the gentler threads at times but that was it really.

The two biggest threads moved quickly in comparison and actually were difficult to keep up with if you didn’t spend either a huge amount of time trying to catch up or actually involved in it - I did neither and so didn’t see the racism. I did post on the H&M thread a couple of times, only to post my personal experience of meeting Lady C and counter the accusations that she was a bitch, and something else derogatory that I don’t remember what now.

The image posted on the other thread here was something else I missed. I wish I had seen it because I wouldn’t have ignored it. Racism simply has to be challenged there and then as well as being reported. In my mind, reporting is essential but it’s invisible - especially if the moderation is poor and it isn’t acted on quickly. It is just as important, if not more so, to be vocal and show others that there’s people out there who do not condone such disgusting behaviour. I am genuinely sorry that I didn’t see stuff like this to report / challenge because I would have done.

I did read some of the early Justine thread, and I admit I did think the level of detail that the posts went into about her history was batshit. As it was all available publicly I didn’t speak out about it, just thought it was amazing how much time posters spent dragging it all up and posting it on a new forum. I can see now that actually I probably should’ve questioned it rather than ignore. I’ve never heard of doxing and now I know what it is, I would report if I saw it.

The copying and pasting from MN to MC was bizarre. I saw it a few times and thought to myself that if those people hated MN so much, then why were they so intent on trawling threads?! And then taking them elsewhere to comment. That was odd, but now I can understand it was because what they were saying went unmoderated on MC but would’ve been pulled up here. I didn’t think of that at the time.

So maybe I am that one MC user that didn’t see the woods for the trees, and missed the obvious. I can’t change that but I can learn from the experience.

I didn’t take part in the racism, the pile on, the copying and pasting from here. But I’m sorry that the real people behind the screens have had such an awful experience from a site I chose to use.

I just responded to you Rousette but MNHQ removed it almost as fast as I pressed Post. I had not seen your post when I posted in response to BakedCam. Hopefully my post will be reinstated.

Going on from Crankley and BakedCam's posts, a copy and pasted a list of thread titles. Thoughts?

"Vinyl for sale.
The Pregnant/TTC thread.
Nursing mothers thread.
Romance novels.
Ladies, do you tan?
Nausea and ovulation?
Skincare and cosmetics: reviews and opinions
Word association
Funny Pictures part 12
Drop a letter add a letter game."

Ok , on my phone so can't see it all anyway

And @BabbleBee
Have to say ..what a thoughtful and honest post that is. I am quite understand how you were where you were on that site

Ive just checked it. Im showing up as a guest on there now but havent done anything to cause that. I just havent posted since Sat into Sun, Ive been in and looked for the posts that are being discussed here but like @BabbleBee i cant find them The threads are too long.

@Roussette

Looks as if it is full of racist and dangerous women. Absolutely terrifying

Not acknowledging what was there really brushes it under the carpet though doesn't it?

As I said in my post two back, the two busiest threads were the two worst.

Not one member of mc has come on and said... actually it was pretty bad on those two threads, maybe I should've called it out, perhaps I just turned away from it, or whatever.

Not ONE.

Not everyone can have not seen it surely? When I come on MN of a morning I look at 'trending now'
mc had 'recent posts' or something.
Hard to miss surely

Didn't we do this yesterday, Rousette? Helena has already stated that she hadn't seen those threads.

I don't see all the threads here, I only click on what interests me. As someone who crosses forums regularly, I do not get involved in idiocy. Some of it was crass and uncalled for, of course it was. Some of it was racist. MC didn't have the cornerstone on such matters. The admin was poor .

I realise as someone who was targeted, you're going to concentrate on the two busiest areas. Many on the Covid thread were absolutely not involved in the two threads you're speaking about.

I think your points are valuable because you are so affected by it, naturally, nobody should climb down from being human.

I don't expect that you've gone to other parts of the forum, I don't demand you do. You don't need to. But many posters were and still are members of both here and there.

We are all responsible for our own content on any forum. I know you from the Corrie threads, as I read and have posted there over the years. Do I think you deserved what happened to you and you shouldn't have a voice to air what you've suffered? Absolutely not. You should be able to speak out without fear of retaliation and I hope this is unburdening you now. Nobody is brushing anything under the carpet. Or sweeping anything away. On the other side, though, there are people that are also in shock at a place where they did feel safe, had support, and they aren't demanding that MN recognise this. Some are scared to return here because of fear of retaliation. There are no cures and no quick answers.

There comes a point when we all have to move forward. Bite that opportunity, it has happened, it was short-lived. People here telling others what they should be saying and admitting to isnt going to work. It just gets people's backs up. Particularly when they're blameless and played no part.

The forum administrator got this wrong. Very wrong. He/she had little idea on how to lead such contentious views in so many areas. That's a dangerous tool to have. It was badly managed and some took advantage of that.

I object to, the gloating of the demise of MC. It isnt just here, I might add. It was a corner of a big world that had far more attention because of two threads than it deserved. It may not have been yours or anybody else's cup of tea, but it was someone's. Just as much as I hope you find peace and able to get over this, I hope for the same for them.

Ive just checked it. Im showing up as a guest on there now but havent done anything to cause that

Everyone is showing as Guest.

@Samcro

Just because mc had other topics it does not take away from the fact. people were hounded by members on there. this idea that because there were other topics = it was ok, is belittling the nasty stuff that posters on mn had to put up with.

Who's saying it does?

Daisy posted much earlier in this thread about how her words were misread. I think that post was nasty about her. The author of that post hasn't come back with an apology for getting it wrong.

You want someone to come on and say, they're sorry for stuff they weren't responsible for?

Would you? If someone posts about someone else, would you apologise because you're a member of MN?

I was a bit confused to see Tommy Robinson referred to as "misunderstood" and "not racist" on there, then the penny dropped.

I can't believe some posters are defending the black and white minstrels photo! And animal abuse images have been posted there too . I wonder if it was set up by a far right organisation. Or something like that.

Will rtft now, I'm only on page 7...

Once upon a time there was a thread on the Relationships board written by someone who was being abused by her "D" H Their washing machine was dodgy so he used to make her sit by it for a two hour cycle and stay near it constantly Despite there being a brand new washing machine in the garage which he refused to facilitate getting plumbed in and he wouldnt let her do or arrange it either. Because he WANTED her to use up hours and hours of her time sitting by the machine. Many posters (myself included) told her this was coercive control....................because he wanted her to use up HOURS of her time when there was no need to.

I genuinely did not see the disgusting posts that are being discussed here............................but it would have been very simple just to put the MC page no, that the post was on on this thread, or PM it to me but posters expected me to use up HOURS possibly days going through a thread that was God knows how long. They are horrific posts. Im not denying them at all. But no one thought to do this.

I have been on both sites. I wasn't a prolific poster over there as I was more interested in reading.

My views are;
H&M are a pair of prats, both of them, but I can't get overly worked up about it and was confused over the total obsession. Particularly when it could never be confined to the thread and overspilled a lot by 1 particular poster. It got very tedious.

Apart from that godawful picture, I genuinely didn't spot racism. Reading things from here has made me look at some things in a different light. I ignored that poster after that picture, not that I took much notice before as he thought he was a lot funnier than he was, churning out the same tired jokes and I admit I thought it was odd that he was even on there (he is also on here from what I remember). I agreed with the poster who did call that out. That is as far as I went.

I didn't call out the other stuff I didn't like because what would be the point. A) their opinion's were so strong, me saying anything would not change that and B) I loathe any sort of confrontation and would rather avoid it at all costs. I did see the attacks against certain posters on here (on this thread) and looked them up on here to see what on earth was so awful. I didn't see anything to substantiate this. I was genuinely confused as to where this view of them came from.

I'm on the spectrum. I take things at face value. Especially online. I'm also a tad naive and believe that people mean what they say. If someone is saying someone else is awful, why would they lie. I definitely changed my opinion on 1 prolific poster there after realising they were talking shite and I didn't want to engage.

I was genuinely there as an alternative to here. There are things I don't like here, like pile ons and shitty shitty responses for no reason, all in the name of 'robust' discussion. I think MNHQ are mistaken in not stamping down on this a lot more. I was hoping for more reasonable discussions where you would get acknowledgement and responses, unlike here where you get ignored in a sea of reaponses all saying the same. Over there had a lot more of a conversational tone to it and I liked that.

However seeing Rousette and Samcro saying on here that they actually feared to post because of the attacks from over there, is just awful. I think I may have posted over there to say I didn't like the naming of posters from here, I definitely agreed with someone else who said the same. I believed it toned down after that but I never read the H&M threads after so maybe not.

I was hoping for a genuine alternative and it turned out not to be and it's a shame it all turned out the way it did.

However, there are a couple of posters on here, already called out more than once, that what they are saying is inaccurate and I concur. Simon has completely misquoted Daisy which is disgusting and Millie is not representing her 'friend' accurately at all.

I can't believe some posters are defending the black and white minstrels photo! And animal abuse images have been posted there too

No one is defending that picture fgs. We called him up on it and it was as reported at the time. And what is all this about an animal abuse picture? No way on God's earth would I be part of something like that, so please explain in what context was this animal abuse picture? What thread was it on? Or is this more bloody lies??

The live octopus. You know damn well which picture I meant. And don’t give me any flannel about “oh, that’s just the way they eat them in THOSE places”. Animal cruelty and racism in one post was excelling yourselves, even for by the standards of the place by then.

Posters over there could say what they want, make up stuff about posters here and there was no right of reply. But now there is because the site is gone

The reason that nobody here had a 'right to reply' is because MNHQ was deleting every single post on here that ever mentioned the place. Until now.

I didn't actually 'know damn well' which picture you meant. You're right I did see that photo and it was disgusting as are the scum who eat them live. But as you say it is the norm in some countries and it was just a picture of it on a plate. Hardly everyone was salivating and getting off on the abuse of animals, do me a favour 😡

@TabithaTadpole

I didn't actually 'know damn well' which picture you meant. You're right I did see that photo and it was disgusting as are the scum who eat them live. But as you say it is the norm in some countries and it was just a picture of it on a plate. Hardly everyone was salivating and getting off on the abuse of animals, do me a favour 😡

So, you saw that video (it was more than just a picture) and didn’t recognise it as animal cruelty? Tells me everything I need to know about you, really.

I wasn’t the one who said it was the ‘norm’ in some countries. Because it isn’t the ‘norm’ at all. To non racists, anyway.

Is what we are learning from this whole debacle that you should only post on a forum if you are prepared to read every single post by every single poster?

And if you aren't at least able to do that then you should at least be aware of what people are posting on your forum by keeping up with what is being said on totally different sites that you are unaware of?

Perhaps this is the internet eating itself.

So, you saw that video (it was more than just a picture) and didn’t recognise it as animal cruelty? Tells me everything I need to know about you, really.

(I apologise to everyone else for my language in advance) You are talking fucking shit!!! 😡 It was a 2 second clip of a tiny octopus on a plate, presumably in Asia. It was disgusting but I am not so naive to think these things don't go on in the world. It IS the norm in some countries.

Sorry I don't really understand, what did you expect us on mc to do about that picture? Scroll through Twitter and you will see far far worse.

You know nothing about me and my views on the treatment of animals. I don't even kill flies for Christ sake.

Your treatment of people who happen to have posted on a different forum tells me all I need to know about you too.

Now that is disingenuous, I should say, Chicchicchicchiclana. Yes, it would be illogical and unrealistic to expect someone to read every word on every thread on a site, and you know that.

But when somewhere has a well-known reputation, and when something is pointed out constantly on other sites by multiple posters, would you not think, perhaps there can be no such smoke without a bit of fire burning somewhere?

I wasn’t the one who said it was the ‘norm’ in some countries. Because it isn’t the ‘norm’ at all. To non racists, anyway.

That doesn't even make sense.

Sorry I don't really understand, what did you expect us on mc to do about that picture?

Not post it in the first place?

Oh give over, Tabs. Did you miss the bit where I said I was a member at the start? I just have a lower tolerance for mean, nasty, racist shite than you, obviously.
You’re trying to defend the indefensibly racist, misogynistic and crude. Lol at nasty gifs all you like, it’s a free country. Just don’t try and excuse it or claim you’re a follower of Jainism in the aftermath of a free-for-all website being shut down.

I’m sure they’ll let you back in if you give the secret knock on the door or something. Maybe you have to make the Bookcase one rofl with something crass and distasteful, who knows? I’m sure you’ll work it out

It IS the norm in some countries.

Eating live animals is not the norm anywhere. And the person who posted it knew that, but preferred to get a cheap ehh, what they like, those foreigners, that’s how we’re in this mess right now rise out of their thicko mates.

Anyway, not really keen on dwelling on that video. Felt sick seeing it used for entertainment and racism in the first place, so certainly don’t want to carry on discussing it with you.
You asked ‘what animal cruelty was there?’ and I told you. Turns out it hadn’t registered as gross and cruel to you. Oh well.