Mumschat is closed for business!

[Janegrey333]

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

Its absolutely ridiculous expecting me to read every thread on a whole site.

@Andante57 There are another couple of posters on here with Helena as the first part of their username I dont post in Westminsterers There is also one on the other site called HelenDamnation. I suppose i shall be accused of being her next.

In that case my apologies HelenaDove.

Its fine No worries.

And I've no clue about her saying she had been on here and banned that's news to me

As you're here sticking up for your poor friend you claim was savagely abused, this news must come as a complete shock to you. She was very vocal about her banning for years on the forum from what I've read. It is all there. Odd that a close friend wouldn't know about it when you know so much about that particular event on another forum.

Hmm, so yet another place used primarily by women has been closed seemingly after a campaign orchestrated by some on here and Reddit.
Certain posters seem determined to do the TRAs and MRAs work for them and it's starting to look deliberate.

@Roussette

Not guilty, guv!

Not on there, never wanted to be. Each to their own.

You don't know, we don't know.

Saying MNers possibly targeted the site to shut it own isn't going to build bridges. Because that's not necessarily the case.

Sorry, I didn't mean to quote your entire post, the comments weren't aimed at you, and I didn't suggest where the people possibly targeting the site came from.

Ironic though, that during the time I was in the middle of writing my post, then stopping part way through to go off to make a cup of coffee, feed the cat, and then come back to finish it and press 'send', someone else cross-posted saying I think the filing of a police report was a contributing factor. It's mentioned on here

Turns out, having just searched for a mention 'on here', that a MNetter says it was they who reported it to the police. Ironic indeed.

Mind you, I've got to the point where I take everything with a pinch of salt these days.

@MillieVanilla

As I said I'm not going to discuss it further, Im sure your nastiness is helping to weed out those of you who will no doubt now try and cause trouble here instead *@Janegrey333* might it be time to have this thread closed before those lot start making here as nasty as there? It's gone or going and I for one am pleased it's caused its own demise. I'm sure from seeing some posts here I'm not alone in that theory.

What? In case more of the extreme false accusations on here are proved to be incorrect?

Again.

Just like the completely obscene allegation from your 'friend' who called post birth vaginas 'punched kebabs' and who referred to children from said vaginas as 'crotch fruit'. Her who wanted her 'minge' to be stitched up at the thought of a Tory.

How very supportive on a chat for women.

Your accusations on behalf of your 'friend' are just like the disgusting, untrue, racist slurs that have been made about the well respected, long standing poster that are @daisychain01 and @HeIenaDove

We could keep this going all day. You tell us how badly your 'friend' was treated for cracking misogynistic jokes using crude descriptions for women's anatomy. We will provide endless examples to prove you wrong.

Completely random, but did you used to post here as 'Cottonweary'?

It is possible that the admin of the other place was alarmed by a police report into racism that was filed by @Patricksrum. Screenshot attached.

@Patricksrum expressed sorrow that the other place had shut down, just as she had made a police report for racism.

Perhaps the threat of racism made the admin cave in? That might be why she came back online to ask for examples of racism this evening.

She signed off saying something along the lines of, "Nobody has found any racism on my site, so I am covered. Phew! The rest of you can fuck off elsewhere now. I don't give two shits about any of you because I am in the clear. Woohoo!"

As much as loved the harmless chat threads there, I feel thoroughly let down by the admin. She only opened the site back up to prove something to her aggressors. It wasn't for us unimportant posters to say a last goodbye. It was done to cover her arse.

My faith in human beings to do the decent thing drops every day.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/black_mumsnetters/4048589-racists-you-have-been-silenced-bye-mumschat

I think the thread should stay. I dont want to be gaslighted AGAIN later on.

Ive posted on that thread @SylviaGold Then did another post to explain WHY ive posted on that thread,, Then MN hid it simply because i mentioned the other sites name to explain that i only posted there because i saw your link. This is fucking mentally exhausting. Mumsnet simply isnt worth it. Ive had it. After nine years. They ban me for standing up to ableism then hide my posts so no one can know what ive posted.

Im going to get some advice i think,

Helena
I’m really sorry, I had no idea you had a temporary ban for standing up to ableism.

I am surprised how many mumsnetters thought MC would be a positive alternative site. I found out about it because of the threads being posted on here by former MN members trying to entice us over there. I had a quick look out of interest and immediately was hit by how bitter and bitchy some of the posts were. The size and tone of the site was not of interest to me.

So because others had a sense of humour different to hers, that deserves abuse, yes?

Some of you using that excuse, sound like apologists, and no doubt find the behaviour displayed of a racist nature to be fair game.

You are limiting how bad that site was. The same lot who were shockingly racist in a way not seen since the bad old days of 70s "comedy" were also off with my friend over a joke. Yet they're humour towards being bigots was fine no?
You don't see the irony of her being banned yet they were fine to continue until a police report had to be filed to get something done?

And no I don't know why she said she was banned here, she is part of a parent's group in my neighborhood for parents with SEN kids, our DS' get on well and we had stuff in common.

I feel it's being used as an excuse to ignore or gloss over the racism.

As I said I'm not saying anything else on the subject, I think the site deserves to go because it's mod allowed racism. Simple. It wasn't run properly.

MillieVanilla

You clearly support women calling women misogynistic names - thats evident. Don't conflate racism with what your 'friend' is. You're diluting what racism is and you're certainly diluting what misogyny is.

then hide my posts so no one can know what ive posted.

They haven't! It is an automatic thing that hides posts with key words on them to filter out some spam (and the N-word) Once the post has been checked it is reinstated if innocent.

Whoever runs that forum has one thread open, the last post is hers and she says ‘no-one has found any racism’ and appears to have locked that thread so no-one can reply.

Hilarious given that horrendous posts have been highlighted on there.

I was on the H and M thread for a while, until it became pointless as I had ignored almost all the posters.

Bit late to this thread it if anyone doubts the abuse that @Roussette and @Samcro received- yes it’s true and it was horrendous- could not believe that grown adults would behave in that way

@Nishky thanks
Its odd that someone is complaining about a safe place for women being shut down.
How can it be safe? what about the women like me and Rousette who were the target of some very spite full posts?
they even went so far as to make malicious reports about the mh of one poster to mn hq!! safe my arse.

I happened to see that post about Carrie and it really was horrible. Yes, it was clearly intended as a joke, but it fell very flat (quite rightly), but rather than apologise and acknowledge that it was misogynistic, the poster carried on trying to defend it.

Misogyny is just as bad as racism, and neither should have been allowed to stand on that site.

@HelenaDove - your post was deleted by an algorithm, not a person. As PP have explained, the algorithm picks up certain words, and the name of that site is one of them. So it wasn't personal.

@Samcro - exactly ‘safe space for women’ what a joke

@Nishky I do appreciate what you're saying. Thank you. [smile[

What I could not understand was .. there were posters who were all nicey nicey with me on here, then literally moments later were pissing themselves laughing over there at some horrible post someone had written about me. That fucks your head up I can tell you!

I was touched that someone, who is on here, (but NCd), we locked horns on the H&M threads, she posted months ago.....' look, I am really not comfortable with how much you're pulling Roussette apart, can you please stop, she's really OK, doesn't deserve this' etc etc. No one took any notice, it escalated, and I think she just withdrew from the thread. But it meant a lot at the time.

And I think that's what happened a lot over there. There were decent posters who just knew about the nasty side, they just avoided it. Don't totally blame them because it's hard to hide on a small site. And there was a hard core of members who were all powerful and they turned on anyone who didn't agree with them. I saw it happen and it wasn't pleasant.

The Admin was ticking a box. 'Look! There's no racism!' However when you're asking your own members to report themselves for racism, they are hardly going to respond to her request to link dodgy posts are they?! The people seeing it aren't members. I agree she has massively let her members down. She can blame MN all she likes, her members wrote those posts and she didn't moderate and is now covering her back because of a police report. If any ex-members want to blame anyone, blame her.

If you're referencing my post @Samcro I didn't call it a safe space for women. I don't believe there are any 'safe spaces' on the internet. And certain groups are trying to make it impossible for women to have safe single sex spaces in RL and to have discussions about it anywhere

I said it was a place where the posters were primarily women. Its feminist section was one of the areas where gc discussions could be held openly.

That may not matter to some of the posters on here or it may not be their priority but let's not pretend that it doesn't matter to TRAs and MRAs that another gc space has disappeared.

Obviously some posters will think that's a sacrifice they're willing to accept but the Reddit threads ripping MNers apart still stand and no-one has tried to shut them down. In fact some prolific posters on the Reddit threads are claiming to have been instrumental in shutting down the other site.

I doubt even they are hypocritical enough to pretend they were making a stance against doxing or bullying. Their posting on Reddit makes it clear they are happy to dox and bully and they have had posts deleted on here for both.

I think it's awful any sites are allowing attacking, smearing, racism, sexism, doxing and bullying. I'm just struggling with the selectiveness of some posters' outrage. It rings hollow. If your anti-bullying, anti-doxxing, anti-racism stance is only for people you agree with, it isn't worth anything.

I think it’s rather sad that all this point scoring is going on over the demise of that site. I posted on their and enjoyed the friendly chat and the vastly superior user experience of being able to edit and like and even to delete your own posts. I did not encounter any racism on the threads I saw or participated in. I am not saying that it did not exist and the post with an inappropriate picture is obviously abhorrent. I really do think that people in glass houses should not throw stones however. There were posters who felt that they had been falsely accused of things on this site and had either been banned or had voted with their feet. I have been a member for many years and have occasionally followed some threads that have interested me and I was moved to post again after many years because I was shocked at the slinging around of unpleasant accusations and also at the frankly bizarre moderations on occasions. I agree with pp who said that there are some who appear to be trying to manipulate the mods.
I understand that the Admin on the other site may well have been shocked and afraid by the threat of police reports and probably reacted in a knee jerk fashion without particularly thinking of the site’s members. I wouldn’t blame her for this.
Several posters on the other site have said that they felt too intimidated to post on Mumsnet for fear of being accused of things that they really did not believe or feel. There is definitely some bullying in this site. Members of the other site, myself included, should probably have not been drawn into the ensuing slanging match and having realised this I feel it would have stopped. Pp have said that they want to move on but there is no sign of that actually happening. I think people need to have a look at themselves and learn from this and give others the opportunity to learn also and not just shout them down and bully them. That is not a discussion.
As a last point. I think SimonJT still owes Daisy an apology.

Misogyny is just as bad as racism, and neither should have been allowed to stand on that site

I agree. My point was to MillieVanilla about her 'friend' who is a PBP here.

@JessJonesJumps

If you're referencing my post *@Samcro* I didn't call it a safe space for women. I don't believe there are any 'safe spaces' on the internet. And certain groups are trying to make it impossible for women to have safe single sex spaces in RL and to have discussions about it anywhere

I said it was a place where the posters were primarily women. Its feminist section was one of the areas where gc discussions could be held openly.

That may not matter to some of the posters on here or it may not be their priority but let's not pretend that it doesn't matter to TRAs and MRAs that another gc space has disappeared.

Obviously some posters will think that's a sacrifice they're willing to accept but the Reddit threads ripping MNers apart still stand and no-one has tried to shut them down. In fact some prolific posters on the Reddit threads are claiming to have been instrumental in shutting down the other site.

I doubt even they are hypocritical enough to pretend they were making a stance against doxing or bullying. Their posting on Reddit makes it clear they are happy to dox and bully and they have had posts deleted on here for both.

I think it's awful any sites are allowing attacking, smearing, racism, sexism, doxing and bullying. I'm just struggling with the selectiveness of some posters' outrage. It rings hollow. If your anti-bullying, anti-doxxing, anti-racism stance is only for people you agree with, it isn't worth anything.

This ^