Mumschat is closed for business!

[Janegrey333]

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

Although given the nasty bullshit I'm reading on another thread here at the moment, I'm not sure Mumsnet is any better. OK not racist, but it's open season on mental health issues.

@SimonJT

How is comparing black MNers to the minstrels not racist?

Or what about Penguin who “couldn’t find the ‘special black people’ corner”.

How about Millie who enjoyed constantly posting the trope of black women for being aggressive purely for sticking up for themselves and then posted a very racist video from twitter.

What about Archewell who suggested that a MNer is a plant by MNHQ purely because the poster is black. Archewell who also thinks black womens brains are limited to curried goat, rice and peas and hairstyles.

What about MonkeyToesOfDoom making jokes about the KKK.

What about BuzzCat who wants black people to go back to Subsaharan Africa.

What about Zombie Fan Girl complaining that white children can’t call black children the N word.

MankyMoo taking the piss out of traditional african hairstyles.

DaisyChain comparing a black poster to a monkey.

The above are all from a 20 minute look on the Justine thread.

SimonJT - I don't have a clue who you are, but let me say this once, and only once, you are a liar that I said what you accused me of above.

I can't even bring myself to repeat it, it's that disgusting to me.

I don't have any axe to grind on here or on the previous now defunct site, but maybe educate yourself on my posting history, over the past 7 years, with no name changes ever, and then ask yourself how likely it is that I would say such a vile thing, and have such a massive attitude change, when I tend to stick to the Employment Issues board (where funnily enough I posted over the weekend supporting a user regarding the Equality Act 2010, which covers "employers with bigoted racist views"). Ask yourself if I really would have such a personality bypass as to say that on one thread but say what you accuse me of elsewhere.

I did go on that "other site" over the months of lockdown mainly because I found this site became a pit of snakes esp. C19, it was affecting my mental health and anxiety levels, and it became a far more positive supportive environment, people were generally friendly, I am solely accountable for my posting and my behaviour, and I know my conscience is clear. If you and others wish to conflate me with others by association, then go right ahead, but you've lied and I don't deal with lies.

I'm only talking about me, I do not know any of the other users IRL, so cannot comment on them and I'm not accountable for their posts. Plus I'm in a full time job and a family life, so don't have the time to constantly check and police a public forum. But I won't let your comment rest uncorrected.

Maybe you were mixing me up with Danny Baker.

I don't recognise the site some posters are describing. To me it seemed a welcoming and inclusive place. I hope people don't take as read some of the outrageous statements being made here. They are lies.

I hope people don't take as read some of the outrageous statements being made here. They are lies.

Which ones?

@Janegrey333

It purported to be an inclusive, welcoming and “nice” site but was soon used by people who thought they could do as they liked. There appears to have been one particular clique that had an unhelpful agenda: anti mask and anti vax. They imagined that was free speech but in fact they were peddling right wing views.

Absolutely confused as to how you witnessed 'anti mask and anti vaxxers' on there or indeed how any of those views become 'far right'

That's quite a leap. Furthermore, not sure how you have become the arbitrator of other people's minds in what they thought.

I hope the poster who did the wonderful Tarot card readings starts a thread on MN. The readings were pertinently accurate.

@lockedandloaded

I don't recognise the site some posters are describing. To me it seemed a welcoming and inclusive place. I hope people don't take as read some of the outrageous statements being made here. They are lies.

They definitely are not lies. And to try and argue as such is beyond disingenuous.

The overt racism expressed - with glee, often - on the Justine thread was truly horrific, even more so because it was widely accepted by all the other posters on that thread. It's telling that one poster felt it was appropriate to post a picture of the black & white minstrels. The argument was also made that it was all about 'free speech'.

So I'm not really sure why you would say that people on this thread are making 'outrageous statements', or that they are lies.

I think the most interesting thing about all this is the number of MNers that appear to have been on this other site!
You all seem to know an awful lot about it.

I hope people don't take as read some of the outrageous statements being made here. They are lies

All of it? Everything that's been said are lies? Not any of my posts I can tell you.

I am sure there were some nice threads, some fun threads, support to each other, good posters, and I feel sorry for the people who had the rug pulled out from under them on the ordinary threads BUT there was a dark side to that forum that you couldn't really miss

Even more interesting the number who went to the other site, had a look and left dismayed with what they saw.

I think we were the silent majority.

You all seem to know an awful lot about it

Yes - they know that much about it, they even know what others are thinking.

I do think it outrageous that a picture of the minstrels was shown. That's a failing of the admin to stamp such content out.

@CallmeAngelina

I think the most interesting thing about all this is the number of MNers that appear to have been on this other site! You all seem to know an awful lot about it.

I joined up initially - but what I was reading there appalled me, so de-regged not long after. Every now and then I went back to read it. It was a bit like watching a car crash, tbh, as it got worse and worse.

@BakedCam

You all seem to know an awful lot about it

Yes - they know that much about it, they even know what others are thinking.

I do think it outrageous that a picture of the minstrels was shown. That's a failing of the admin to stamp such content out.

But it was set up very deliberately as an unmoderated site. So posts like that, along with other racist stuff, were left to stand.

There were people who were full of half baked conspiracy theories, particularly when it came to not wanting to wear masks. They weren’t for adhering to laws and rules because they were entitled to freedom of choice.

Their views on accepting any future vaccines to help in the fight against Covid were broadly similar. They constantly rattled in about their freedoms.

And yes, one male poster, who hung about the threads for some reason, thought it would be quite within his rights to post a racist image of the black and white minstrels - from a now defunct “ show”. Staggering. I do not recall hearing that he was castigated for doing so and shunned from then on. As he should have been.

The points I have read in this thread seem to be perfectly in line with what went on there, on that nice site.

@BakedCam

You all seem to know an awful lot about it

Yes - they know that much about it, they even know what others are thinking.

I do think it outrageous that a picture of the minstrels was shown. That's a failing of the admin to stamp such content out.

What did you do to challenge that racist behaviour? It wasn’t just up to Admin. We all have a duty to stamp on it.

You all seem to know an awful lot about it

Yep. As the worst on there were stupid enough to discuss and egg each other on about how they were going to troll me on MN threads I posted on, I needed to keep one step ahead, to be prepared to ignore their pathetic trolling attempts.

I am sure there were nice people on there.
but sadly the nasty bullies who targeted mumsnetters are the ones that got noticed.

@SirenSester

I hope the poster who did the wonderful Tarot card readings starts a thread on MN. The readings were pertinently accurate.

The best one I’ve had in ages. It fair cheered me up that afternoon.

educate yourself

I knew it wouldn't take long before that phrase cropped up.

But it was set up very deliberately as an unmoderated site. So posts like that, along with other racist stuff, were left to stand

Was it? I've no idea. Moderation is very from administration duties. It was a failing of the administration to allow it to stand.

Some people gloss over stuff on any forum. They may not have the confidence to do so. Same with here. While there is a moderation team, there is still some nasty content floating about that is left unchecked and allowed to stand.

I'm not surprised. I don't know why they said Tattle moderators weren't on it as it was set up as an offshoot of Tattle and presumably run by the same people (you aren't allowed to ask for clarification on this, they'll ban you). I wasn't regular on mums chat but didn't see the racist/anti vac posts or posters that everyone is talking about. I know at times it can go too far but found the moderation in regards to things like that very stringent (at times too stringent!)
I was on Tattle, though, and find the Tattle moderation bloody ridiculous. They don't take any criticism toward the website. I had multiple warnings without being told as to what I did wrong - when I asked, I was warned again and told not to question the mods. The rules they have seem to depend on what moderator is in charge that day, sometimes threads are 'too crude' and taken down, other times left to stand. Even if you 'use the report feature too often' or create a thread with the 'wrong' title you will have that feature taken away from you! It's ridiculous and there's a definite air of 'can't be bothered to moderate properly' (or perhaps 'in over my head'?). I wonder if they had had complaints from someone/a group on Mumschat and just shut the site down rather than trying to deal with it. In my opinion, anyway.

@Janegrey333 I posted on the masks thread on there. There was one poster who was completely anti mask that i remember.

Myself and a couple of others were posting on the mask thread on there because of concerns about how people with medical conditions who genuinely cant wear masks are being treated. That is the reason i stuck around on there because of MNs refusal to address the ableism on the Covid boards here. They banned me for losing my rag after months and months of it on there and doing NOTHING. On the other site i was able to post without ppl saying that disabled people/ rape survivors with PTSD will just have to stay in or someone calling them selfish shits. If it wasnt for the ban i wouldnt have gone looking elsewhere.

I find racism and disabilism/ableism both as abhorrent as each other. But many on here dont.

@Hernameisdeborah

Think I must have left before all of this😯. I thought it was just going to be a nicer version of Mumsnet.

It could have been if only a minority of idiots hadn't been allowed to dominate it and make it so toxic. Some threads seemed welcoming but the thread dedicated to personally attacking Justinecand other MN staff and viciously attacking any Mumsnetter who didn't agree with them was horrendous.

I concur.

I had a look at the site in question saw the bullying and the racism so gave it a swerve, I do hope you're ok Rousette as being a target must have been extremely upsetting.

What did you do to challenge that racist behaviour? It wasn’t just up to Admin. We all have a duty to stamp on it

No, I don't have a duty to stamp on it. I've seen plenty of it on here and other sites. It is the responsibility of the administrator of the site.

What did you do about it? You didn't even know about it until someone posted about it earlier in this thread?

So you didn't know about it. Yet, here you are, telling members of a former forum how they think and what their political affiliations are without a jot of evidence of that.

Many may well be glad that it had closed. That's their right - particularly where they've been hurt or harmed by it.

But it is very clear that one poster here, who has been here for years, has had an allegation made against her on heresay by one poster who claims to have 'seen' what she and others have written.

She has now been called a racist for something she hasnt said. On your thread? Don't you have a duty to call that behaviour out too? Or that does that stand because.....????