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[Janegrey333]

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

@Roussette

Echo No-one objected to it at all. It drew a lot of attention and piss taking as they piled on. Says it all.

I just think... some of those posters never for a minute thought 'how would I feel about this if it were me?* And I can't get over that.

Someone there once posted that they read one horrible thing about them somewhere and it really affected their mental health.
I wanted to say.... me and another poster on here (I won't say who)... try seeing 20 or 30 posts a day calling you every name imaginable, questioning your intelligence, your looks, posting horrible youtube videos of you with your name annotated to it, endless pictures of vile creatures saying it was you, on and on.
Yet this poster had one post somewhere about them and everyone was dishing out sympathy, whilst insulting me and someone else. And they were proud of this. The more derogatory the better.

It was awful stuff Rousette. I'm so sorry that you and others went through that. And a few people here keep returning and minimising it and pretending it was all a jolly place full of crafting people who saw nothing and weren't racist or horrible bullying people at all.

Helena

I remember that thread, reading that story in the news too and being disgusted.
What the actual Fuck is wrong with people

and this Ok, I'll bite. What exact "hate crime" do you think has been committed here? first few posts in just shows that with some people there is actually no hope.
That is what we're talking about here.
If you're actual racist, no amount of explaining will ever be enough for some.

Maybe they would want to make up their own mind about whether there was racism or not, rather than rely on the word of another

More than one 'another'.
Lots of 'anothers'
I am not sure how a Minstrel picture that never got taken down needs to be looked at to see if there was racism or not

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'I’m sure you did avoid them. I am sure you didn’t actively post on them. But you did that for a reason. You knew something was amiss. Helena, you were told explicitly what was going on there and you turned your head and you refused to see it. Because you did not want to.'

Oh fgs people can post on another forum without agreeing with or even being aware of every single thing posted. Who are you to tell people off?!

👍🏻

DM has had the "why dont you go back to your own country" while out shopping. She has been in the UK since 1960

The racist Minstrels image was LEFT on the post?
What on earth?

Thanks Echo

Maybe they would want to make up their own mind about whether there was racism or not, rather than rely on the word of another.

Well according to some that's racist in itself. This is not directed at @SimonJT by the way. I'm disgusted by the messages he's receiving and quite understand why he would rather not share any screenshots etc. I don't generally think asking for proof or confirmation of racism is racist in itself though.

There's no other accusation that could be made where you wouldn't have to supply some kind of proof or evidence but more and more in identity politics "because I said so" seems to be the bottom line. I don't agree with that and can't see that I ever would.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Call it out, whatever it is.'

Yes. Preferably at the time, on the correct site, to the correct person. Not wang on about it a completely different platform. It'd be like me saying I saw some misogynist shite on Twitter. What's that got to do with mn?

I didn't start this thread. The very many complaints on and to the other site were ignored. The other site were trolling and bullying elderly women and black members on here. That's what it has to do with MN.

Yes. Preferably at the time, on the correct site, to the correct person. Not wang on about it a completely different platform

Are people being deliberately obtuse or wot, how hard is it to understand what we're actually saying

@Quaagars I still cant believe they got away with that effigy burning.

Yes. It has everything to do with MN because they couldn't leave it alone.

Jumping between the two sites. MN and there working out ways of winding people up, trolling, joining again to stick the knife in, suggesting posters over there who weren't banned here really push it with their posts to see if they could get banned. And trailing round after posters they didn't like to see what they put on innocuous threads to ridicule it over there.

When the site closed today, the Admin/Owner said she had had countless complaints. I have no idea if that was from their posters who didn't like the advert, or whatever... or maybe it was complaints from elsewhere. And she didn't have the resources to moderate so pulled the plug.
Just sayin'

Wolf I posted two of the lesser offensive posts up thread.
I do understand it's reasonable to want "evidence." I don't really care if you believe those subjected to some very unpleasant and consistent internet abuse are not telling the truth.
I think the whole life experiences of Black and minority ethnic Mumsnetters is a bit more than what you call "Identity politics" however.

I think the whole life experiences of Black and minority ethnic Mumsnetters is a bit more than what you call "Identity politics" however

Dismissing BAME actual lives as identity politics really doesn't sit well with me either.

@WolffromTheWest

It’s not mumsnet’s problem. They get trolled from lots of sites, piston heads, house price crash, Reddit trolls (banned posters returning). It’s not their problem at all.
It’s pathetic that grown adults troll others on websites that they claim to hate.

I don't really care if you believe those subjected to some very unpleasant and consistent internet abuse are not telling the truth.

Good thing I haven't indicated anywhere that I "don't believe" anyone then.

@EchoCardioGran I love the username. Im not witty enough to think up a username like that

"Identity politics is a term that describes a political approach wherein people of a particular religion, race, social background, class or other identifying factor form exclusive socio-political alliances, moving away from broad-based, coalitional politics to support and follow political movements that share a particular identifying quality with them. Its aim is to support and center the concerns, agendas, and projects of particular groups, in accord with specific social and political changes."

Definition of identity politics. I am afraid I can't see anything offensive here and most definitely wasn't meant to be.

@Roussette

Yes. It has everything to do with MN because they couldn't leave it alone.

Jumping between the two sites. MN and there working out ways of winding people up, trolling, joining again to stick the knife in, suggesting posters over there who weren't banned here really push it with their posts to see if they could get banned. And trailing round after posters they didn't like to see what they put on innocuous threads to ridicule it over there.

When the site closed today, the Admin/Owner said she had had countless complaints. I have no idea if that was from their posters who didn't like the advert, or whatever... or maybe it was complaints from elsewhere. And she didn't have the resources to moderate so pulled the plug.
Just sayin'

I find it ironic that the admin closed it down due to "all the complaints" recently received Perhaps if they had of dealt with the shitshow of bullying, racist or otherwise, and the snotty hierarchy of mean girls and one weird, weird guy on there they would not have received that many they couldn't handle it anymore. If there was half the mean girl stuff on here as there was on there, the people responsible, and as we've seen the names are touted by several of us who witnessed it, they wouldn't be on here long. That's why here survives. Do we think it's host had enough? They didn't want to be associated with the level of barrel scraping?

@WolffromTheWest

I don't really care if you believe those subjected to some very unpleasant and consistent internet abuse are not telling the truth.

Good thing I haven't indicated anywhere that I "don't believe" anyone then.

In that case, I misunderstood, and please accept my apologies for getting wrong what you were meaning to say. The problem lies with me, when I can't see faces and hear tones of voice.

I think the Admin left it to moderate itself, and hope for the best. But you can't have a forum with no moderation whatsoever. Or an unresponsive Admin. I I agree with you, there is a reason it didn't survive.

There's no other accusation that could be made where you wouldn't have to supply some kind of proof or evidence but more and more in identity politics "because I said so" seems to be the bottom line

This was you, no?
Nobody was referring to Grenfell, that's some twisting there - you said it in reference to people wanting "evidence of their lived experiences.
It's there on the thread.