Lawrence Fox

[Chicchicchicchiclana]

He's just a terrible old wanker with extreme right wing views is he?

I don't know very much about him apart from he comes from the famous Fox family, he was married to Billie Piper, he was in the TV series Lewis alongside Kevin Whately, and he made a racist arse of himself on Question Time last year.

So what's he up to now? Has he gone even more off the rails?

[corythatwas]

He wants the sympathy accorded to a patient with a broken leg without having to go to the trouble or discomfort of actually breaking his leg.

[longwayoff]

Excellent analogy

[DrGachet]

He uses a lot of incel/mra language in his spaffing around the internet too. I guess he picked that up on the f4j message boards he frequents?

[TheSandman]

He's a bit like a slightly more handsome Nigel Farage.

Not difficult.

[mediumperiperi]

@MotheringShites

He is never going to appeal to the average mumsnetter is he?!! As for the rest of the population, he appears to be gaining popularity.

I reckon that it will be nowhere near the support for Farage's stance on the dinghies that cross the English Channel though

[mediumperiperi]

If he really believed in Free Speech he'd respect the airing of Diversity on BGT and fund right wing performers to come up with something good enough for tv too (I'm assuming Rule Britannia isn't good enough for him?)

[kirinm]

Ah good old breath of fresh air anti-woke brigade Fox. Currently denying there is any white privilege. Hoovering up the racist votes.

[Gancanny]

He uses a lot of incel/mra language in his spaffing around the internet too. I guess he picked that up on the f4j message boards he frequents?

His comments about Billie Piper and the legal processes he had to go through for access to their DC are very telling. He compares custody hearings to the MeToo movement and claims that "While #MeToo has shown that a significant minority of men are sexually rapacious, horrible predators, it has also meant that men feel unable to speak out against women for fear of being seen as predators. In this family legal system of ours there is a significant minority of women who are very malevolent towards men. Children need fathers. To deny them that is abuse – real abuse – in my mind."

He also admits to shouting "cut" in Billie Piper's face whenever they would argue and that he "100% wound the fuck out of her" but it was okay because "she never broke any teeth", in other words it was fine to shout in her face but he never hit her so that's okay then.

Everything he he says and does is like listening to my emotionally abusive dad rambling on in the months after my mum left him. It wasn't his fault, it was the system, the system is set up to discriminate against men, to teach people that men are no good, wah wah wah.

[nibdedibble]

I think he’s a sad character who’s being manipulated into taking on this role without understanding what his place in the ecosystem is. It’s not going to end well.

FWIW one of the very worst ‘libertarian’ us style freedom of speech people I know thinks he’s great. Big red flag from me.

[derxa]

He's the worst human being who ever lived

[DontBeShelfish]

@showmethegin

He is a POS. I love Richard Ayoade with all my heart and can't imagine having a have fox as a brother in law. He was furious about his comments apparently and told him "you have never experienced racism".

Same with the Ayoade love. I feel sad he has to put up with such a shit brother in law.

[nibdedibble]

Another Ayoade fan. Good on him for saying that.

[chomalungma]

@derxa

He's the worst human being who ever lived

I like him generally

Make your mind up.

[froggygoneacourting]

He was accused of sexual harassment by a female makeup artist who worked on Victoria, and mocked and belittled the woman who made the complaint. Oh, and this was a private complaint that was never made public. The only reason we even know about it, is because Fox took the sexual harassment complaint letter with him to a meeting with a Sunday Times journalist, and performed a "lavish" dramatic reading of the letter to the journalist who was interviewing him, before "collapsing into laughter."

He's also made gross comments about sexual harassment, including saying beautiful women don't care about sexual harassment. He also made comments about how he treated his ex-wife marriage that pretty much come across as emotional abuse.


He has not been "cancelled." He's been given a massive platform including major TV appearances and magazine covers purely off the back of his racism scandal and his attempts to rebrand himself as the Katie Hopkins of luvvies. Face it, he would never ever land that kind of media coverage off the back of his decidely C-list acting accomplishments, or his failed music career.

It takes a remarkable amount of cognitive disconnect to pretend you are somehow being "censored" or "cancelled" for holding certain views when you are being handed a huge media platform on a plate, purely on account of those same views.

What people call "cancel" and "cancel cuture" is just criticism. What Fox objects to, is people online criticising him. Why should some people be above criticism? Wanting a ban on all criticism of you personally, is an attack on free speech.

Isn't that the argument that gets trotted out in the Meghan Markle threads all the time? "Ohhh it's just criticism." Even when it's racial slurs, or abuse, or outright lies predicated on racial or misogynistic stereotypes: "It's Just Criticism How Dare You Say Black Women Can't Be Criticised."

Someone care to explain to me why "criticism" of a black or biracial celeb is perfectly fine and dandy, but criticism of a white celeb is "censorship" and "cancel culture"?

[derxa]

Make your mind up. But I can't decide.

[Crankley]

He's anti-woke which works for me and has raised £5m funding for his new Group, which interestingly is the same amount as Labour managed to raise at the last election.

I wish him well and look forward to learning more about it.

[Gilead]

Nice one @Crankley, you’re happy to vote for a sexist, racist abuser because the rest of us are ‘woke’, ☹️

[MagpieSong]

I thought woke meant being alert around injustice and racism? Why would be against that work for you, @Crankley? Unless I'm misinterpreting the word. Isn't it what the right wing brand anyone who actually has morals?

I think it's awful. Ukip for culture? There's nothing cultured about being a racist, sexist snob who's emotionally abusive. I'd enjoyed his roles, now I'll struggle to watch them tbh. Sick of the amount of nationalist racist twallop in this country already.

[Crankley]

Haven't they changed the name of this place to Wokenet yet - it can't be long in coming.

In case you were unaware it's perfectly possible to stand against injustice and racism without being woke. Stupid name anyway.

[chomalungma]

@Crankley

Haven't they changed the name of this place to Wokenet yet - it can't be long in coming.

In case you were unaware it's perfectly possible to stand against injustice and racism without being woke. Stupid name anyway.

So when someone says that treatment of Meghan Markle was racist and sexist - is that being woke?

When someone suggests that a white male may not be in a position to understand everyday racism and sexism, is that woke?

[chomalungma]

@Crankley

Haven't they changed the name of this place to Wokenet yet - it can't be long in coming.

In case you were unaware it's perfectly possible to stand against injustice and racism without being woke. Stupid name anyway.

If someone campaigns for women's rights and wants biological sex to be key - because they are standing for injustice against women, are they being woke?

Because that would include a LOT of people and media who are campaigning for this.

Unless woke only applies to certain groups and certain injustices?

Are F4J woke?
Are MRAs woke?

[Gancanny]

Words "woke", along with "snowflake" and "Karen", are used by people who don't have a robust enough argument to defend their viewpoint. As soon as they realise how flimsy their convictions are they start flinging around the latest buzzword insults in order to distract people from that fact.

The emperor has a big gob but still no clothes.

[DizzyPigeon]

and has raised £5m funding for his new Group, which interestingly is the same amount as Labour managed to raise at the last election

So what? Its entirely likely he has some wealthy friends that are morally bankrupt enough to bankroll it. I would be very curious to know what they are hoping to get from it. Its highly unlikely to be done for altruistic reasons.

[Aridane]

He has not been "cancelled." He's been given a massive platform including major TV appearances and magazine covers purely off the back of his racism scandal and his attempts to rebrand himself as the Katie Hopkins of luvvies. Face it, he would never ever land that kind of media coverage off the back of his decidely C-list acting accomplishments, or his failed music career.

It takes a remarkable amount of cognitive disconnect to pretend you are somehow being "censored" or "cancelled" for holding certain views when you are being handed a huge media platform on a plate, purely on account of those same views.

What people call "cancel" and "cancel cuture" is just criticism. What Fox objects to, is people online criticising him. Why should some people be above criticism? Wanting a ban on all criticism of you personally, is an attack on free speech.

Isn't that the argument that gets trotted out in the Meghan Markle threads all the time? "Ohhh it's just criticism." Even when it's racial slurs, or abuse, or outright lies predicated on racial or misogynistic stereotypes: "It's Just Criticism How Dare You Say Black Women Can't Be Criticised."

Someone care to explain to me why "criticism" of a black or biracial celeb is perfectly fine and dandy, but criticism of a white celeb is "censorship" and "cancel culture"?

Awesome post, @froggygoneacourting

[fucknuckle]

drink problem. guaranteed.