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The concern is that people may not be able to get tested for more severe symptoms due to all the families with sniffles I think. Plus all the hassle and stress.

Well, ours just linked to the above flowchart with advice to get the child tested with symptoms, so will go with that. Mine have been sneezing and with hay fever for weeks now...we would be constantly testing and the family off.

The in-laws are visiting - they've taken the kids to the zoo today but were singing St Nichola of Face Mask's praises - I firmly shut them down with a "I have a different view on that" and MIL squirmed and agreed to disagree... I don't normally challenge MIL but my house - my rules for once.

DD1's very muddled about the rules at the moment after time in Scotland.

drive.google.com/file/d/1H2w_qBxTdDp_9Ej8JwhBPJPrOYTNHael/view

Guidance given here (England)

Sorry meant for another thread.

Er @Blobby10 are you not overlooking the obvious fact that non quarantining gym girl has clearly given you covid and you are no doubt about to, sadly, die?

But once they're back at school that's potentially a different ball game if "sniffles" become a thing that gets them sent home.

I've worried about this especially as we don't drive so can't drive for a test - so assume it would be postal with delays.

On other hand handwashing will be insane next year in school - they will all be washing hand 3 times before getting to lessons and coming home - and possibly inbetween plus people with colds will be more likely to stay at home and we'll be out and about less as still WFH and few things are open - so perhaps there will be less colds all round.

If it's allegry sniffles - mould spoures can be an issue in Autumn - might have to get them on antihistamines.

DS can sometimes with cold weather get a dry asthma cough have to hope that deosn't happen this year.

I'd like to go more at the gym but a bit concerned about the contact tracing. I might ask them - hope it is just if someone in 2m or whatever not the whole class or something. I keep thinking of going and then it puts me off.

@TheOrchidKiller DH gets every cold going during the winter. October to February is one long sniffle. I dread to think how many times he is going to have to cancel work and get a test. Not good when he is self employed.

@ibake so long as I 'sadly' die then its OK. I don't think I could cope if I were to just 'die' .

@Blobby10 

@TheOrchidKiller or he just airily tells everyone that he's had a test but no he's just full of a cold. If he knows he's prone to colds and that's all it is then he just puts peoples minds at ease by lying!

I don't normally condone lying as a rule but if that's what he has to do to stay at work and he's not got any of the actual, on the list symptoms, as opposed to all the ones that the MN stasi are now going to come up with then that's what I would do.

They'll be none the wiser and think he's been very sensible.

@Blobby10 sorry, total sense of humour fail there and failed to realise you weren’t serious. My bad

The cold thing was just Scotland and some advice they had been given in schools there. It is cough, high temp loss of smell in the chart I was given and in general I think. In case that helps any. Sorry didn't mean to cause worry. It all stresses me out at times.

DH is self employed too so would not be easy either.

@Doobigetta no worries

Just thinking of the poor buggers who will get flu this winter and instead of the stay in bed drink fluids advice they will be expected to drag themselves off to get tested.

Just checking in and waving hello. The weather is dreadful today. I keep weighing up going away for a weekend to give my battered brain something else to focus on but then I check the weather report and....nope. It doesn't seem worth it I don't want to be stuck somewhere in the rain.

It's weird this idea of heading into autumn isn't it? Despite the months of good weather and the way time has dragged with the virus, I don't feel I've had a summer. I have hardly done anything! I'm trying to say to myself that if we push forward though, we can get this winter out the way sooner and have some hope of moving away from the pandemic properly. It will feel amazing to get to March.

I am off out to see a friend this afternoon. I'm trying really hard to get out the house once a day to keep myself from sinking further and it is really helping. I hope you're all having ok days.

It's horrible out there. In the news OCD is increasing not surprisingly. Speaking of anxiety type things must remember not to post about symptoms and schools in the covid section on here, it doesn't help sometimes.

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I started a thread about the mum who killed her 10 year old during lockdown it appears to have been deleted after a few posts looking back. We have had a number of suicides in our area abandoned vulnerable people due to lockdown is my suspicion.

There was another story about a girl dying from neglect on the news the other day, she didn't get treated for a perforated ulcer (mother denied she was ill, but possibly would have been more supported if not as things are.

Lack of support for parents is a big problem. Even in usual times parenting (in particular special needs) can be so hard and neglect is worsened with lockdown.

There is a strange denial of such issues on MN at times which is quite odd and not sure why.

@Pixel7777 no, you haven't caused worry, it was already going through my head.

@Ibake I think I'm inclined to agree with your strategy. The stay at home & get a test for anything just in case that some people are advocating (I would follow the guidance for actual covid symptoms) is the opposite to how I usually think about illness. Temperature/ coughing your guts up/ D&V/ too unwell to get downstairs/ leg hanging off = stay at home; feeling a bit peaky & not infectious= take 2 paracetamol & crack on. However, I think that school/ workplaces might get officious & send people home at the first sign of a bunged up nose.

Also had a thought that if a young child tests positive they are supposed to return to school after 10 days (or whatever the current magic number is). But the others in the household have to stay at home for 14 days. How's that going to work with getting the small child to school?

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath I forgot about autumn mould spore allergies- that'll be DM back indoors soon, then. She self-isolated with tree pollen allergy in April & has only just come back out again.

I've done some angry dusting & angry crying today. I've decided everyone else in my household needs to move out. It's the only way forward.

@justasking111 this has crossed my mind too. So, say you feel like shit with all the symptoms of flu (or covid, or even perhaps tonsillitis or something worse). You have a temperature and all you want to do is curl up in bed. But no, you must get in your car and drive to a testing station. If you live with someone, perhaps they could drive you (or they might want to keep as far away from you as possible!). I am sure though a taxi would not be happy to take you on this trip. What do you do if you don't have transport? Will someone send a kit to you? I don't know. I've never seen this explained, other than if you think you've got it, get tested.
Anyway, driving if you feel ill is just dangerous.

I've got to say, my plan is to avoid testing as much as possible.

@Pixel7777

There was another story about a girl dying from neglect on the news the other day, she didn't get treated for a perforated ulcer (mother denied she was ill, but possibly would have been more supported if not as things are.

Lack of support for parents is a big problem. Even in usual times parenting (in particular special needs) can be so hard and neglect is worsened with lockdown.

There is a strange denial of such issues on MN at times which is quite odd and not sure why.

There is a thread talking of people still!! in lockdown with their kids. That frightens me, if I knew someone doing this I would speak to a professional, social services, school etc. someone should be checking they are ok.

Been away for one night over the weekend without the kids and loved every second. We're back today and the weather is crap. Kids are winging constantly. I just want to scream. I feel like my tank is on empty but it was OK prior to lockdown with places to go people to see. I'm looking for work. So angry for what we've lost over the last 6 months. 6 months of happiness with our family , for what?

Don't enjoy being with the kids anymore. I feel like a bad mum.

Pixel7777
It's horrible out there. In the news OCD is increasing not surprisingly.

DM has OCD. Not the stereotypical handwashing type (although covid has brought on more cleaning), but the fear of contaminating others. Hence staying indoors with an allergy cough incase the cough contained covid & floated over the fence to the neighbours. And it seems, a fear of getting a criminal record for breaking govt guidance on the numbers of people you can meet up with.

Usually, we would follow her psychiatrist's advice to not keep reassurring her, and not reinforce her thoughts & behaviours (eg "Orchid, do you think this milk is off? Can you sniff it & check?" / Me: "No, you've just sniffed it, everyone has had milk from that bottle already today & its been fine."/ DM : "You're right. It's my silly thoughts playing up." ) and she'd use some CBT techniques & move on.

But with covid, the strategies aren't working. Everyone around her is doing things to avoid getting covid or to avoid spreading it, thus reinforcing her unwanted thoughts, leading to more behaviours that restrict her, DF, & the rest of us.

I am desperately sorry for her, but having been on the receiving end for all my life I know when to be firm & when to go with it. I've bitten my tongue at times, & desperate as I am to visit I know that if I just turn up it would send her into panic-overdrive. None of us need that. She is slowly beginning to make progress again with going out. I can talk to her now about positive bits of news (like the ONS map showing no cases where they live), but its like walking on egg-shells. There have been times I've casually mentioned going out & she has panicked for 2 weeks after, in case I caught something.

It's a mental health condition & deserves to be treated with compassion, but it's exhausting for everyone. It's another unintended consequence of a pandemic that people don't think about.