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Hello Girls..it’s me again.

Hope your all out and about enjoying this glorious Saturday.

I think with the plastics issue, I can see it from both sides, & that farmer has a valid point. You can't ban them completely.

I think the issue now is that the things people were so keen on last year, like reusuable coffee cups, are now "not allowed" because of covid, & there's no logical thought behind it.

I agree, people like bandwagons though. The psychology behind it is fascinating.

I think you're right.

I know many of you have said you are not natural rule followers. I mostly am. I learned to follow the rules and keep my head down and everyone will leave you alone. So a) actively being unable to follow a rule and b) thinking that it is a cruel and unnecessary one and c) having to, in some ways, restrict my life and location due to a) is new for me. I don't like it and find it difficult. But I wonder if excessive roolz following is #BeKind in another form.

I have also been mulling over why it is so difficult for people to accept different circumstances. It seems so obvious to me that everyone is different.

And welcome @expectingnumber3.

@ISaySteadyOn

I think you're right.

I know many of you have said you are not natural rule followers. I mostly am. I learned to follow the rules and keep my head down and everyone will leave you alone. So a) actively being unable to follow a rule and b) thinking that it is a cruel and unnecessary one and c) having to, in some ways, restrict my life and location due to a) is new for me. I don't like it and find it difficult. But I wonder if excessive roolz following is #BeKind in another form.

I have also been mulling over why it is so difficult for people to accept different circumstances. It seems so obvious to me that everyone is different.

And welcome @expectingnumber3.

I am the same. A natural rule follower. Which is why I’m finding it difficult that some of the rules are so bloody stupid.

I will do. My results should be in a week on Friday, I give a blood sample at 7am on Wednesday morning. There is a questionnaire about symptoms which goes off with it.

Definition, based on a well-known one about university lectures:

Pandemic: the transfer of Boris’s autocue to the public’s actions, without going through the brains of either.

I will also come out as a natural rule follower, & one who doesn't need the aggro. It doesn't mean I necessarily agree with the rules, & I will speak up if required.

I have also been mulling over why it is so difficult for people to accept different circumstances. It seems so obvious to me that everyone is different.

I have a hazy memory of refusing to join in with something as a child because I thought it was silly, & another girl practically spitting, "Well everyone else is doing it, you'll be left out, & you're boring." Sometimes I think that's why some people can't accept that some people have different circumstances. It's the "everyone else is doing it," the need for everyone else to be the same, & the complete lack of empathy that even if someone is joining in it doesn't mean they're happy about it.

@wanderings

Definition, based on a well-known one about university lectures:

Pandemic: the transfer of Boris’s autocue to the public’s actions, without going through the brains of either.

I love that

BUT I so wish it wasn't true.

@Drivingdownthe101 I am the same. A natural rule follower. Which is why I’m finding it difficult that some of the rules are so bloody stupid. Snap! Have stopped having discussions about a lot of this with many of my friends, as we've agreed to disagree, so coming on here occasionally keeps me sane. Also incredibly pissed off with press hype and distortion. Particularly, my local online paper which keeps doing headlines like "Many new cases in xxxx" - and its only when you click through you discover "many" = 3. Most people don't click through, so just end up taking the headline at its face value.

@InsaneInTheViralMembrane

There’s a thing in the Times today which said that Britain’s overall death toll has been cut by more than 5,000 after England decided to only include those who died within 28 days of testing positive for Coronavirus.

Yep, @CruCru . It brings our measurements in line with the way the other U.K. nations are measuring. It's still wrong in my opinion, because it is still counting deaths as Covid deaths even if the people died of something else. So still bonkers but slightly less than before.

I got a reply from my MP today about face masks, when I wrote expressing most of the concerns many many times on here. Unsurprisingly, it was a typical non-committal politician's reply (maybe not even written by the man himself), full of "keeping people safe", "save lives", which did not address many of the points I raised at all; not a word was said to my concern that "it feels as if the government is deliberately spreading fear", or that the public are harassing people without masks. But here are two lines worth noting:

"It will help people to shop in as safe a way as possible, which will restart local economies and protect jobs while saving lives". So that implies the economy is a principal motivation behind it.

Also "I can assure that the restrictions are temporary and that the government keeps all its guidelines under review". There it is, in black and white, ready to be quoted if we're still muzzled this time next year.

If the cut off is 28 days, some people will actually die of Covid more than 28 days after the test, as well as the people dying of something else within 28 days, so at least the nonsense ought to balance out slightly better.

@ProfessorRadcliffeEmerson

If the cut off is 28 days, some people will actually die of Covid more than 28 days after the test, as well as the people dying of something else within 28 days, so at least the nonsense ought to balance out slightly better.

You’d have thought though that most dying of covid more than 28 days after the test will be dying in hospital, and those will already be counted in the figures. The PHE ones disputed are those who died in other settings. There will be some though I guess. I doubt we’ll ever get a completely accurate view of the numbers, but at least going forward we’ll have a slightly better view.

Really, what's needed is a proper non-kneejerk assessment of what actually killed each individual. It seems obvious. Perhaps it isn't 🤔

I know we've moved on, but can I return momentarily to Driving's friend who said it was her best year?

The lockdown hasn't been an equal experience for everyone, and I don't think it's simple enough to be divided by class lines. One of my friends has certainly had a great year. I need to state here that she is NOT a dementor, and is very clear eyed about the statistics being mangled and mass hysteria. And yet, this has been a great year for her. She hated her job, and was having terrible trouble with her teen who was going spectacularly off the rails. She was furloughed, and her teen was cut off from her friends, and it gave both of them time to not jump from one crisis to another. They spent time together, at home, with no interferences. They have come out of this as a stronger family unit! Even her relationship with her ex has improved.
She was made redundant last month, but she is relieved by it. She's going back to uni in October, something she wouldn't have had time to consider before the lockdown.

Cut off before I completed the post!

She is working class through and through. But this pause has helped her considerably! Her teen daughter has had time to re-evaluate her friendships and is cutting out the bad influences.

My friend knows lockdown can't and won't last forever. But it genuinely is the best thing to have happened to her.

We have to recognise this discrepancy.
Many ADs as well as Ds have benefited from lockdown.

I'm sure many people have benefited from the mass chance to pause and re-evaluate which can be very tough to do when you're tangled up in the rat race.
Some companies were very proactive in finding alternative ways to work and diversify and do well on it.

It's a bit like the Death tarrot card being a new start (anout all I know on that topic)

It's when it's assumed that everyone should appreciate the situation or at least put up, shut up and not be critical of the situation and the wider implications that irritates me.

At least I accepted years ago that my DCs do not do crafts, or baking or any other lovely doing with mummy type stuff! Our best quality time has always been getting out with external stimulus. They were born in the wrong decade and should have been born 30+ years ago when it was acceptable to turf them out to the local woods and fields to go feral

Picked a much happier DS2 from sports club, who despite the Klingon start for over 30 minutes and gaining bloodied knees has had a good day and wants to do his final session in a couple of weeks. Phew!

Yes, absolutely BogOff.
Which is where this thread started, isn't it? From the insistence that everyone should be only content they're alive and not complain about anything else.

OH was talking to a surgeon yesterday big hospital in the south. She said you can change all your clothes take showers in the hospital which is divided into green and red areas, but still it spreads. They have come to the conclusion it is asymptomatic staff that are spreading it. So what do you do if you need an operation or are admitted as an emergency.

This from the USA, wonder how long it will last on fB

Pondering on New Zealand, 102 days with no cases and it pops up out of nowhere. What if it has actually been there all this time, completely asymptomatically and someone was unfortunate enough to exhibit symptoms. Not an impossible idea given that the most common symptom is feeling completely normal.

I think we must conclude that this is exactly what did happen. Hard to see what else it could be

@Welcometothelifeboatparty there are plenty on the shopping washing thread convinced it's from packaging on imported chilled goods🤔

Oh heavens really? I suppose it's theoretically possible - but less likely than your idea.

Mind you the shopping washing thread has some batshit comments on it.