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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

OP posts:
Dowser · 25/07/2020 08:24

@LadyPenelope68
My dd favourite cafe did that too
No way would I sit in a brown shitty coloured booth to eat

bumblingbovine49 · 25/07/2020 08:24

they are widening pavements and narrowing roads for this.. it’s permanent!

I'd say that is a silver lining in a generally shit time. Wider pavements and narrower roads is likely to make shopping a better experience when things eventually get back to normal.

dementedma · 25/07/2020 08:24

@supadooper round of applause for your post. Also in Scotland and sick of the inconsistencies and paranoia. As a "non essential" office worker( doesnt that do wonders for morale?) I am STILL not allowed back even though evety other sector is. Sick to fucking death of it!

Kazzyhoward · 25/07/2020 08:25

@bumblingbovine49

they are widening pavements and narrowing roads for this.. it’s permanent!

I'd say that is a silver lining in a generally shit time. Wider pavements and narrower roads is likely to make shopping a better experience when things eventually get back to normal.

Alienating car drivers will just damage town centres even more and drive more people to retail parks and out of town malls.
Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 08:25

I agree. I'm not a big shopper anyway and I've dutifully avoided all but the most essential shopping for months.

Now, as requested I was starting to think about doing my bit for the economy but I've taken a step right back. There are two big purchases I was considering this weekend but I don't want to shop for them under these conditions.

And the disposable masks littering everywhere . It's such a depressing sight, I'm retreating to my garden again.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 25/07/2020 08:27

I totally get you op. I walked out of card factory because of the sales assistant barking at me rudely, sadly some people are on a sad little power trip during all this .
I used to love shopping but I'm totally over it now

SockYarn · 25/07/2020 08:29

Also from the other side of all this - I am a charity shop volunteer. We have this massive list of things which have changed in the shop and it is a totally different shopping experience to what we had back in March.

6 customers only in the shop at any one time.
Arrows taped to the floor.
No fitting room.
Cashier in a plastic box around the till.
20% ish of shelves and hanging space removed to allow for free flow.
Someone on the door telling people to sanitise and mask if they can.
Door wide open at all times for air flow (going to be fun in winter).
Make an appointment days in advance to drop off donations.
Posters on every free space of wall about hygiene.

The message we are giving to customers is not "please come in, browse, support the charity and spend your money". The message is "It is dangerous in here. If you absolutely must come in, do not linger. Do not browse. In and out as quick as you can." For our first week of trading after re-opening, our takings were 50% of what they were the same week last year. People are voting with their feet.

OLGADEEPOLGA · 25/07/2020 08:29

To all those saying it's the norm in lots of areas of Asia so stop moaning and get on with it, kindly fuck off. A lot of things are normal elsewhere but that does not mean I have to like it or embrace it as my normal.

Splodgetastic · 25/07/2020 08:31

I will have to wear a mask for some aspects of my job when they return to non-virtual events. I have asthma, but I don’t particularly want to be challenged, so will try. The trouble is that sometimes my asthma manifests itself in coughing, particularly if it’s something in the air flow interfering with my breathing (e.g., aggressive air conditioning), so I’m expecting to get lots of death stares. However, the non-essential office worker thing is a bit insulting. That suggests we all do bullshit jobs, which I don’t think is so.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 25/07/2020 08:31

Masks are absolutely a placebo effect now, implemented by the government to get people in offices and shops.
The time for mask wearing was jan / Feb.
I'm not talking about hospitals , or any settings where you are in contact with people for a long time , but come on - you think you will catch covid walking past someone in a shop ???

rookiemere · 25/07/2020 08:32

Knobchops I agree that shops that have remained open are the best. The M&S clothes section at the Gyle reopened fairly quickly and has a lady at the entrance encouraging you to browse. As a result I've bought a lot of new sports wear and other things.

However I've not been there since masks have been made mandatory. I think I need to get a visor as can't seem to get my mask positioned right and it either ends up at my eyes or gives me an itchy nose.

Katharinablum · 25/07/2020 08:35

Wearing the flimsy masks isn't ideal but try wearing full ppe in an ICU without air conditioning on a hot day !day
I've been in our local town and tbh it wasn't that bad, very quiet and most people social distancing, well organised, although in tk maxx I did get shouted at to tell me I was going up the stairs the wrong way (but in a nice way) ! Better than in the supermarket last week when no one was social distancing or wearing masksHmm

Dowser · 25/07/2020 08:36

@Helpmyhair2019
It doesn’t make sense as there just isn’t any logic
And the longer it goes on the more it feels like it’s more than about a virus
And more about a social experiment to see how much control we will take.

Oh and if anyone doesn’t like my last sentence, please save yourselves the bother of replying because quite frankly I no longer give a flying fuck .
This horrible situation we’ve been coerced in has changed me from a nice person, who was kind and considerate to someone who no longer gives a flying fuck if challenged and now is more likely to just say.. ‘oh piss off‘

Yep, this the ‘ new normal ‘ me
Like it or lump it.

ChangeThePassword · 25/07/2020 08:36

Alienating car drivers will just damage town centres even more and drive more people to retail parks and out of town malls

There's sod all parking in Edinburgh City centre, so it will make little difference.

Dowser · 25/07/2020 08:38

@Dontforgetyourbrolly totally agree

Dorobie · 25/07/2020 08:39

Do you kids enjoy your ‘hobby shopping’?

Lickyicelollies · 25/07/2020 08:39

Well said OP. Shopping is now joyless and, I would say, bordering on disturbing and sinister. I was at Braehead this week and all that was missing to complete the Gilead experience was the armed guards. We were the only customers in Build a Bear with my 4 year old so excited to get her much belated birthday present, but instead of being the fun trip it should have been she was treated like an infectious disease hazard. Fuck the "new normal".

Oh and open the bloody swimming pools, libraries, museums etc! (Before someone wades in, yes I know that they ALLOWED to open in some parts of the UK, that doesn't mean that they actually have opened).

Dowser · 25/07/2020 08:40

@OLGADEEPOLGA
Totally agree with you and the murderous mood I’m in , I’d be removing the ‘ kindly’

It’d be a ‘fuck off ‘ from me then

PinkFondantFancy · 25/07/2020 08:41

Yep it's total shit. I won't be going leisure shopping for the foreseeable. It's utterly ridiculous - where in that shopping centre is the health hazard? The toilets!! No deep cleaning or rules there. You'd be lucky if there's any soap. They're so busy with their hand gel and hazard tape that they've forgotten that what would do the best job of protecting us all is everyone doing a good job of washing hands!!

WhentheDealGoesDown · 25/07/2020 08:42

@TheGriffle

What I don’t understand with the mask wearing is everything I’ve read says you’re supposed to get rid of it once you’ve used it (disposable in the bin or into the wash if reusable) so in say an outside shopping mall you’d still have to wear it all the time as pulling it up and down defeats the object of wearing it.

We’re going to the seaside next week. We’re going to have to wear a mask constantly while at the beach front as otherwise we’d be taking it off and on between shops which isn't allowed.

Also when eating you take it off for that then I’m assuming you’re supposed to put a new on one?

I can’t afford this endless supply of masks.

I’m on holiday and found a Seasalt handyband or DH wears a running buff, easiest if popping between shops, though not so good if it is very hot
GalesThisMorning · 25/07/2020 08:43

It seems really entitled and mean to rant about shop employees, who are probably on the minimum wage, preventing you from having a pleasant shopping experience during a pandemic. I'm sure it's not a lot of fun for them either OP. And just possibly the security guard didn't make the rules he's (poorly) paid to enforce.

AlternativePerspective · 25/07/2020 08:43

So would people prefer full lockdown?

There has to be a middle ground between full lockdown and letting the virus spread out of control.

I read somewhere that it is estimated this pandemic could be brought under better control in eight weeks if everyone wore masks. But people refuse to.

The estimate death rate if the government had done nothing was over 500000. So what would people suggest is done instead of masks?

Perhaps that the lockdown never have happened, that we aim for everyone becoming infected, the NHS becoming completely overwhelmed and half a million deaths?

that would of course be ok as long as you’re not one of them.

Too many people are complacent here. “Oh, I don’t have an underlying health condition so it won’t affect me.” Thing is, you don’t know that you don’t have an underlying condition. I didn’t know about the underlying heart condition I have until four years ago when the flu nearly killed me.

PinkFondantFancy · 25/07/2020 08:45

@bumblingbovine49

they are widening pavements and narrowing roads for this.. it’s permanent!

I'd say that is a silver lining in a generally shit time. Wider pavements and narrower roads is likely to make shopping a better experience when things eventually get back to normal.

I don't agree. There was a thriving parade of independent shops near me. The shop keepers told me they're now really struggling because the parking bays outside have been fenced off to make the pavement wider. If people can't drive there, they can't get to them, and they get no business. Wider pavements when there's no shops left to walk to isn't going to be an improvement.
userxx · 25/07/2020 08:46

Masks are absolutely a placebo effect now, implemented by the government to get people in offices and shops.

This completely. Pointless 🤷‍♂️

PinkFondantFancy · 25/07/2020 08:48

They opened the shops and pubs with no restrictions, and THEN introduced masks. Don't try and tell me it's led by the science when it's done in that order - it's layering on more restrictions. I'd be more accepting if it was in return for relaxing some restrictions but it's not. They give with one hand, take away with another. The chances of catching it now are less than 1 in 5000. I'm pretty sure a sock over my face won't reduce it any further.