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The joy has been sucked out of everything

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supadoopa · 24/07/2020 22:36

Let me start by saying I’m in Scotland so this isn’t about masks per se, but about the whole silly dance we are being made to do in order to go about our lives at the moment.

I went to a shopping centre today and won't be back.

It’s the first time I’ve worn a mask for any longer than a quick run into the local coop. I was probably in the centre for an hour and a half but there was sweat pouring down my neck. I felt suffocated and silenced. Hated it.

My baby looked at me like I was a monster and my toddler couldn’t hear me when I talked.

But it wasn’t just masks that were the issue. There was a ludicrous one way system, which makes absolutely no sense to me if we are wearing masks and social distancing. Then every shop had a makeshift entry and exit and their own one way system which no one was observing.

At every turn I was being monitored by security guards, eyeballing me in anticipation of a wrongdoing, ready to pounce.

Almost every shop had a guard on duty forcing you to rub gel on your hands and that of my child before entering.

There were queues everywhere. All but one set of toilets shut, so queue for that too, and toilets themselves as dirty as ever because so many people using the same ones and no cleaning.

Inexplicably in most shops all but one set of tills were shut, again forcing people to congregate in long queues.

All the restaurants were again inexplicably closed apart from, yep, McDonalds and Costa. Both under small enclaves at the back of the centre. But in them you are allowed to take your mask off and eat off a table more or less. But in the main, high roofed wide open walkways of the centre, the mask must go back on.

The shops had little stock.

When I dared approach an M&S assistant to ask for a size (with a visor on like all the rest of the assistants at an angle that perfectly channels their exhalations directly at the person they’re talking too) I was barked at as if I was a naughty schoolgirl to the extent that I put the item back on the rack and walked out without buying anything.

Does anyone else think this is all utterly ludicrous?

Shops will not survive this.

We are all adults with our own minds and perfectly able to manage our selves. Why make masks mandatory if we then have to do all this makeshift posturing to appear to be avoiding each other when really we are being herded closer together.

As someone who you might consider a “hobby shopper” as in it’s one of my pastimes (and I’m not interested in any opinions about having a better hobby, if there weren’t millions like me there wouldn’t be any shops at all). I’m someone who will browse and buy, will pick up bits I don’t really need but just want. I will spend my money happily- if the experience gives me pleasure.

But now I think it’s going to be online for me. I won’t be back at the shopping centre. I won’t be visiting our city centre either as it’s just the same.

OP posts:
PinkFondantFancy · 25/07/2020 08:50

The estimated death rate was estimated by a scientist who has a track record of majorly catastrophising everything and has never been right in the past.

I was ok with the 'lock down for a bit, flatten the curve, don't overwhelm the NHS' rules, for a few weeks. Now I'm not sure what we're aiming for. Eradication?? Never going to happen.

warbies92 · 25/07/2020 08:51

@Abitupthehill

Boo fucking hoo. Get a proper mask with a vent in and you won’t be so over dramatically over heated. Thank god you never had to wear a gas mask or go into an air raid shelter you precious thing
Do not get a mask with a vent in! Jeez!
GrumpiestOldWoman · 25/07/2020 08:52

I know what you mean OP.

I think homemade masks or fabric masks don't help - I'm sure the lightweight disposable ones are more comfortable and easier to breath through.

It's a worry though, so much of our economy seems to be driven by recreational shopping/spending and whilst some PPs have scorned this 'hobby' the fact is that it employs lots of people. If shopping goes back to something you do when you need something rather than simply fancy spending fifty quid on a Saturday afternoon at the mall that will do bad things for our economy.

Merename · 25/07/2020 08:54

I’m sorry you had such a rubbish time, that sounds stressful. I had a better experience, went to The Fort earlier in the week and browsed a few shops with my toddler, and had some brunch in m&s cafe. Staff were interacting with my wee one and carried tray over to our table for me. We had fun, and it felt fairly ‘normal’. Did wonder when Wagamama will open though.

Katharinablum · 25/07/2020 08:56

I agree it's pointless now and should have been done months ago. Thing is there were probably no masks available for the public then anyway.
Let's hope at the next election people will remember this almighty shambles but knowing the british electorate, doubt it !

GrumpiestOldWoman · 25/07/2020 09:00

Oh and agree about the visors too OP, I'm not sure how they constitute a face covering when worn slightly tilted up as most seem to be, I'm sweating away in a mask to protect the shop worker whilst they channel their breath down a visor at me Sad

Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 09:00

Umm, wartime gas masks never were actually worn by the public.

SamSeabornforPresident · 25/07/2020 09:02

@snowsuit

honestly can't believe so many people are making a fuss about having to wear masks. i don't even find them much of a hassle – i get used to wearing mine after having it on for a few minutes and then barely notice it – but even if i did, it's a small price to pay for protecting a) other vulnerable people and b) yourself. if you think a mask is uncomfortable, wait til you see what they do to put someone on a ventilator...
People aren't 'making a fuss'. They're having a bit of a moan on an anonymous Internet forum. Yes, it would be worse if you had to wear the mask for eight hours. Yes, it would be worse if you DIED OF COVID, but that doesn't mean people can't have a wee moan about this situation which is impacting on their normal lives.
Russellbrandshair · 25/07/2020 09:02

I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been to the mall once and it was like being on a day release from prison. Rude security guards barking at and humiliating people in public for accidentally missing a floor arrow etc. Staff acting like you have leprosy even when you ARE following all their rules. Everyone staring at you waiting to scold you, queues like soviet Russia (why? Surely it would be healthier to keep queues down rather than encourage people congregating?!). It’s a joyless miserable experience and I will NOT be going back. Sorry high street but you’ll end up going if you treat customers like that. You can still stick with the rules without treating customers like dangerous criminals. No more support from me- go bankrupt then, I wonder if your attitude will change then eh?!

AlternativePerspective · 25/07/2020 09:04

The government didn’t make masks mandatory as placebo effect, they had to do it because people are too selfish to actually think that wearing a mask should be done.

It’s the same with lockdown. If people had actually stopped going to the pubs, flocking to the beaches, etc etc the government wouldn’t have had to bring in more draconian measures.

I imagine the people wining about masks now were the same ones complaining about lack of PPE for NHS workers. Just as long as they don’t have to wear it eh?

And then there’s people who have had to be told to wash their hands. As if they didn’t previously do so...

In countries where it is flu season the numbers have dropped significantly this year, and it’s estimated that greater hand hygiene etc is directly responsible.

Flu season is approaching here. If COVID is still out of control and we add flu into the mix that is a disaster in the making.

And before people suggest that it’s because of the government’s handling of the NHS, perhaps it is. Perhaps if the NHS stopped funding crap like plastic surgery and IVF we’d have more resources available for things that actually matter.

Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 09:06

The choice isn't, wear a mask or risk yourself or others dying of covid. The choice is go to the shops or don't. I'm choosing not to go under these conditions, which I appreciate doesn't help the businesses but...

SockYarn · 25/07/2020 09:07

So far we have :

"flocking to the beaches"
"people in WW2 had to wear a gas mask"
"If you don't like a mask you'll hate a ventilator"
"It's better than DYING of covid"

It's like Covid bingo from the hard of thinking who lack the basic reading skills to understand what the OP was actually saying.

Russellbrandshair · 25/07/2020 09:09

@SockYarn

Yes! I am chuckling at the bingo 😆

Alloverthegrapevine · 25/07/2020 09:13

Yes, it's ridiculous Sockyarn.

Were there ever actually any ill effects from people "flocking to beaches"?

People in WW2 didn't actually wear their masks. They were issued in case of a chemical attack, which never came. They didn't wear them for 4 years just in case.(which is just as well because the asbestos filter may have killed as many as it saved)

And the choice isn't masks or ventilator/death. The choice is go to the shops or don't, which is what OP was about.

Kaiserin · 25/07/2020 09:14

I agree doing a "big shop" in a large place is quite horrid at the moment. So instead we now do a mix of home delivery for regular essentials (organic veg box, which also does meat), and random top ups from the corner shop (which is quite pleasant, despite the restrictions. Especially as I can walk there instead of driving to the supermarket)

This is just my own experience... But I think there will be a shift, regarding which businesses are now profitable, and which aren't. It's quite scary (like all changes). I really fear the high street as we know it is doomed. It would be nice if this was replaced by a more small-scale, local equivalent. But I worry we may just end with Amazon as the last-business-standing, and no more small independents :/

rookiemere · 25/07/2020 09:14

Alternative Perspective I totally agree with you about the hand hygiene and was impressed that our local restaurant had a big sign in the bathroom telling people to wash for at least 20 Seconds.

However the basic hygiene message got Boris Johnson ridiculed at the start of this and instead of pushing something free and sensible, mask wearing is the topic de jour.

At 70p a pop for the disposable masks, I have a choice of severely limiting my shopping or using the mask on more than one occasion or third choice of being out of pocket. I do have material ones but they itch my nose.

I'd have more faith around mask wearing if I thought we were all wearing proper clean masks, but as it's a cosmetic exercise I suspect most folks are doing like me and wearing one that passes muster, but probably doesn't do very much.

Instead of shopping, I'll spend my disposable income at restaurants where I can sit down and enjoy a meal without a mask. Which makes no sense if they are so vitally important.

Illdealwithitinaminute · 25/07/2020 09:16

The message we are giving to customers is not "please come in, browse, support the charity and spend your money". The message is "It is dangerous in here. If you absolutely must come in, do not linger. Do not browse. In and out as quick as you can." For our first week of trading after re-opening, our takings were 50% of what they were the same week last year. People are voting with their feet

I think this is what the thread is all about. It's not about whether masks are a good idea- that ship has sailed and I personally am happy to wear one when out and about. It's that large swathes of the economy concerning eating out, takeaways, taking the kids out to the park/museum/swimming pools, and shopping for clothes and other goods are now very much changed and really quite unpleasant. It's hard to know if anything will be open when you go- I wanted to go to our local museum or do a day out with the children, most things are still closed, and then if they are open, they are quite stressful experiences for a variety of reasons.

Masks make it all harder as you can't hear what people are saying or indeed see if they are talking to you, so voices get raised and shop assistants get arsey. I've been told off on public transport when in fact I hadn't done anything which has never happened to me before. Those in customer facing roles are stressed, snappy and probably suffocating under their masks esp if the air con is off.

The general ambience now created in shopping and entertainment is 'grit your teeth, get it done, get out as quick as possible'. That's absolutely fatal to those sectors of the economy, which are built on pleasure, enjoyment and relaxation. They will simply fail, especially because those who have the most money (e.g. shopping at John Lewis) are the ones with the biggest houses and nice gardens so will happily sit home rather than drag themselves through a one-way situation trying not to touch actual products.

SistemaAddict · 25/07/2020 09:18

I normally love a mooch around John
Lewis with my mum. We only usually go if either of us want something specific, never just fit the hell of it but we both enjoy a wander round. I can't imagine going back now. I am exempt from wearing a mask but would do so anyway as I'm shielded and admittedly quite scared of the virus because I'm a lone parent with no one to care for the school if I end up in hospital. Dd1 went in the local co-op yesterday for me and said it was awful with people being too close and touching everything before putting it back. Dd2 has said she's not going anywhere if she has to wear a mask.

I totally agree with the complete lack of logic with the rules.

I'm sorry you had such a crap time OP and understand how you feel Thanks

Russellbrandshair · 25/07/2020 09:18

The message we are giving to customers is not "please come in, browse, support the charity and spend your money". The message is "It is dangerous in here. If you absolutely must come in, do not linger. Do not browse. In and out as quick as you can." For our first week of trading after re-opening, our takings were 50% of what they were the same week last year. People are voting with their feet

Exactly! Unfortunately you can’t have it both ways. You cannot do the above and then cry and moan that retail businesses are going bankrupt and the public should support the economy.

If you want to treat shopping like a military exercise, fine, but don’t then be shocked when your sales are in the toilet!

ChangeThePassword · 25/07/2020 09:20

I don't agree. There was a thriving parade of independent shops near me. The shop keepers told me they're now really struggling because the parking bays outside have been fenced off to make the pavement wider

Nothing has been said about getting rid of parking. That's a different issue.

Illdealwithitinaminute · 25/07/2020 09:20

I have had some fun though- going to the beach and eating an ice-cream outdoors, am about to book a local restaurant for this weekend.

Fun can be had, but it's hard work and you have to be very selective. We used to eat out or grab a pre-prepared sandwich or a takeaway several times a week, just for lunches, the odd meal out and so on. I'm now having one takeaway every two weeks and haven't eaten out for months. That's a massive hit to the economy!

Bollss · 25/07/2020 09:21

@IceCreamSummer20

Secondly, if they don’t like what they have to do for their job, they could always apply for something else. My company just made 200 people redundant. They can join the back of that queue. Nice!

There are people who give a crap about others, even strangers, and will do for the common good.

Or people like you OP who care only about number 1 and whether you had a slightly inconvenienced 1.5 hours on a shopping trip.

Thank goodness there are loads of people who do care about the common good.

Ah yes. "The greater good"

Like in hot Fuzz. Ever watched that?

You know who bleat about the greater good? Cults.

One big mask wearing do gooding "we care about others" cult.

The thing is you only care about others when it suits your narrative. Because you don't give two shiny shits about ops wellbeing do you?

Only covid matters. You can only "save" people from covid. You don't care if they die or suffer from something else.

OverTheRainbow88 · 25/07/2020 09:24

We’re sticking To online shopping for now, as yes used to enjoy browsing around the shops but not any more! Well go back when it’s more normal!

rookiemere · 25/07/2020 09:27

I feel bad as a local boutique shop has implemented a booking system. I was going to book a slot, but they are 30 minute appointments and it struck me that I would feel very obliged to buy something so I didn't book. It's a shop I used to love browsing in, but as they are restricted to 16 customers a day, they must be hoping for big spends each time.

Mascotte · 25/07/2020 09:28

@supadoopa I totally agree and won’t be doing any leisure shopping, which I love and was looking forward to.

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