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InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 23/07/2020 19:32

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justasking111 · 25/07/2020 16:53

Bugger been doing this tap and go for months rather than inputting my pin number. Tried to log into online banking got as far as pin sentry check, I have forgotten my pin number, tried three times now locked. So no access to my money at all.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 16:54

YY @NannyPhlegm Hope the Mask Stazi are proud of themselves.

CruCru · 25/07/2020 16:56

@DominaShantotto

Police now pointedly parked in the local Tesco carpark as a visible "sitting here so you know we're sitting here" tactic.
The thing about this is, this sort of stuff will make people quite wary of the police. I am - and I'm a middle aged, law abiding woman.

There must be better things for them to do.

IAintentDead · 25/07/2020 16:57

@justasking111

Bugger been doing this tap and go for months rather than inputting my pin number. Tried to log into online banking got as far as pin sentry check, I have forgotten my pin number, tried three times now locked. So no access to my money at all.
that'll stop you spending Grin
justasking111 · 25/07/2020 17:00

I wanted to top up sons account monies he needs now I cant Sad

NannyPhlegm · 25/07/2020 17:08

When I question compulsory masks, the automatic assumption is that I am anti-masks. I am not. I think it is essential in public transport and in airports, and anywhere where you can't easily distance yourself from others. I think it is unnecessary in shops at this point in the pandemic, but I won't break the rules.

But mandatory mask wearing only gives ammunition to those who love to shame others. It's always the vulnerable who will be attacked, never a stocky tall man.

@lbake I agree. I will not hesitate to stand up for anyone who is being made to explain their exemption to this rule.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 17:15

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-fears-over-face-covering-hate-crime-as-new-laws-go-live/

Coronavirus: Fears over ‘face covering hate crime’ as new laws go live
By John Pring on 23rd July 2020
Category: Crime

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Disabled people have raised serious concerns about the rising tide of coronavirus-related disability hate crime, amid fears that this could increase even further when new laws on the wearing of face coverings go live tomorrow.

From tomorrow (Friday), it will be compulsory to wear a face covering in shops and supermarkets in England.

Many disabled people are exempt, the government has made clear.

But despite those exemptions, many disabled people who cannot wear face coverings have already been subjected to disability-related hostility online and while travelling on public transport, where it is already compulsory – except for those with exemptions – to wear a face covering.

Stephen Brookes, a former coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network and now an ambassador for Disability Rights UK, has written to key figures in government, the police, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and disability organisations about his concerns on “mask hostility”.

He says in his letter: “In my 12 years of dealing with disability hate crime up to June 2018, it was clear that abuse of disabled people has always been problematic at times of tension, but we are now in uncharted territory, which is supported by examples we are seeing at all levels.”

Brookes (pictured, left), who is also the minister for disabled people’s rail sector champion, although he was not speaking in that capacity, added: “We must both re-assure and support disabled people in terms of real hostility and remind perpetrators that verbal abuse can still be recognised as a potential hate crime and as such will not be tolerated.

“Can we all take stock and ensure that disabled people are not bullied out of any normal life we should be able to expect, and remind the public and those who affect our lives that the added pressure of fear should not be added to an already difficult situation.”

He has also now raised concerns about comments made during a radio interview yesterday (Wednesday) by the Metropolitan police’s commissioner, Cressida Dick.

Asked about customers who were refusing to wear masks in shops, she told LBC: “My hope is that the vast majority of people will comply, and that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”

Brookes said: “This statement by Met chief Cressida Dick is most seriously unhelpful, and potentially could lead to hostility and hate crime against those who can’t wear face masks.

“She needs to change and clarify that view most urgently.”

Last week, Fazilet Hadi (pictured, centre), head of policy for Disability Rights UK, called on the government to recognise the need for “balanced messaging” on face coverings, including “that some disabled people cannot wear face coverings and that this should be respected”.

She told the minister for disabled people, Justin Tomlinson, in a letter: “If the messaging doesn’t change, millions of disabled people will not be able to safely leave their homes.

“For those of us that do, we will experience fear, anxiety, possible conflict with public and police and demands to prove our impairment/illness.”

Inclusion London is the lead organisation for the London DDPO Hate Crime Partnership, working with 20 Deaf and disabled people’s organisations (DDPOs) across the capital.

During the coronavirus crisis, it has been running a weekly survey of DDPOs that run hate crime advocacy services on the incidence and types of hate crime disabled people have experienced during lockdown, and now it is being eased.

Its latest weekly survey found 62 per cent of DDPOs reported an increase in disability hate crime referrals on the previous week.

Among the trends, Inclusion London has seen a rise in disability hate crime by neighbours of disabled people, and an increase in cases of disabled people being spat at while out in public because of the mistaken idea that disabled people are “virus spreaders”.

There has also been an increase in online hate crime, with disabled people “told that their lives are inferior and [that they] are taking up resources from non-disabled people”.

Disabled people have also reported being targeted while shopping if they have personal assistants or carers with them or if they need priority in shopping queues.

Inclusion London said: “Disability hate crime during the coronavirus pandemic has not come from nowhere – the image of disabled people as virus spreaders and taking resources from non-disabled people must be tackled.”

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Another to have become concerned about online disability hate crime is disabled campaigner Victoria Langley.

She said she had been told on social media that disabled people like her should be locked inside until there was a vaccine because they “are more likely to catch it and pass it on”.

One nurse told her on Instagram that all those not wearing masks should be forced to sign away their rights to health equipment and treatment by health professionals who are “risking their lives because of you”.

Another woman told her on Instagram: “Trees are awesome and worth sobbing over.

“Bus drivers getting killed because they’re doing their job are worth sobbing over, people who don’t wear a mask because they are disabled, not worth sobbing for.

“I looked at your profile, you seemed fine???”

Langley said she found the widespread hostile comments on social media “scary” as a disabled person.

She said: “It’s made me petrified to go out.

“I’m scared to go out because people are not just being hostile, they do not care that being disabled makes it hard.

“I feel totally scared and boxed in with zero support.

“The government are ending all support and saying go out, but the general public want us locked in. I feel helpless and scared.”

Disabled researcher, author and campaigner David Wilkin (pictured, right) has been collecting examples of disabled people who have been subjected to disability-related hostility linked to the government’s COVID-19 regulations.

Wilkin, the lead coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network, has already collected more than 50 such cases.

One disabled passenger on public transport, who cannot wear a face covering, was targeted by another passenger, who shouted: “This person hasn’t got a mask. This person is trying to infect us. They are trying to kill us.”

A disabled train passenger who did not have a face mask because of breathing difficulties was confronted by another passenger, who refused to listen to their explanation, took a spare mask out of their pocket and forced them to put it on.

Wilkin said: “They were under so much pressure that they put the face mask on and left the train.

“They felt that was the only way to placate the offender.”

Wilkin said he was concerned there would be further cases when the ban in shops and supermarkets comes into force tomorrow.

He said: “It’s definitely a concern. It’s bad enough to be grounded because you don’t want to use public transport, but you have to eat.

“The general concern is that the government, while they have delivered clear messages about face coverings… are not making the same number of messages about the exemptions.

“That is causing real problems.”

But he said he believed the government and public bodies were listening, as he has online meetings next week with both the Cabinet Office and CPS.

A CPS spokesperson told Disability News Service (DNS): “The law exempts those who cannot put on or wear a face covering because of physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability while using public transport.

“The same exemption will apply when face coverings become mandatory in shops.

“Our updated guidance to prosecutors will make this clear.

“If disabled people are victims of hate crime as a result then the CPS won’t hesitate to prosecute perpetrators if our legal test is met.”

Deputy chief constable Mark Hamilton, hate crime lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council, told DNS in a statement: “We understand that many disabled people, and particularly those with ‘hidden’ disabilities, could be worried about being challenged by others if they are not wearing face coverings in a setting that requires it.

“Government guidelines set out a number of exemptions to the wearing of masks, including on grounds of disability.

“Some external organisations have developed ways to indicate that an individual is exempt, such as wearing badges.

“The government and the police have developed extensive guidance on these requirements, and police officers across the country have received training on how to recognise where an individual may have an exemption due to disability.”

He added: “Any disabled person who is victim of hate crime should report it to the police by either calling 999 (in an emergency) or 101.

“Additionally, you can report crime online at True Vision (report-it.org.uk). True Vision also contains helpful information and guidance materials on disability hate crime and COVID-19

NowYouListenToMeFella · 25/07/2020 17:15

I am the same with the shopping with mask on. I will be back to doing my groceries once a week and no pottering in any other shops for a browse.

As others have said it is not an enjoyable experience and mask wearing is pointless given that the majority of people don't do it properly.

Jesus wept on the gloves. Hoping the government here don't start at that shite, but no doubt if the UK are going to do it they will follow suit.

Latest on schools here is that they are going back at the end of August. One teacher friend is super dementory and has emailed the minister for education saying they are terrified.

Willow2017 · 25/07/2020 17:18

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

I'll just point out one last thing, and then leave it. A large number of us ADs were out and spending money as soon as possible, weeks ago, while the rest of Mumsnet was still screaming Stay The Fuck At Home and accusing anyone who went outside of murdering grannies. So I consider my moral obligation to the high street fulfilled. It's now the turn of those who wanted masks to step up and get shopping.
This with bells on.

I don't have the cash to flash in niche local shops which is all we have in the way of independent shops round here. I won't be paying for crappy days out. I will pay for things we all enjoy plus of course food shopping.

I have to wear a mask all day at work it's a horrible experience i am damm sure i am not wearing one for 'pleasure' as well.

justasking111 · 25/07/2020 17:20

With or without masks social distancing is somewhat mixed, still two metres here in Wales where possible. It is definitely down to one metre or less. I am getting tired of patiently standing behind someone in the aisle who is choosing food only for others to brush past both of us in a hurry. So do I brush past the person or put up with the brushers.

Saw that in a supermarket yesterday a mother with a child had denounced a non mask wearer then poured a carton of cream over them, what a fruit loop.

I neither know nor care whether others are wearing a mask it is up to them. I do not have to yet, well except at our chemist who have suddenly insisted we do, a new company policy it says on the door.

I have come out in spots over lock down nothing to do with masks tis a mystery, the thought of maskne is not filling me with joy.

Willow2017 · 25/07/2020 17:23

NannyPhlegm
I wish we could report some of the disability posters on MN to the police that would kerp them.busy enough so they couldn't sit around in supermarket car parks intimidating people!

Willow2017 · 25/07/2020 17:24

Saw that in a supermarket yesterday a mother with a child had denounced a non mask wearer then poured a carton of cream over them, what a fruit loop.
I hope she was done for assault. Fecking psycho.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 25/07/2020 17:27

DH went into town to get his dad a birthday present today and he said that all over town in all shop windows and all over the shopping centre were signs "don't make us ask, just wear a mask"

For some reason that gave me the rage. You shouldn't bloody ask. If someone isn't wearing one its probably for a good reason that's none of your fucking business.

justasking111 · 25/07/2020 17:34

What puzzles me that in Spain they are pretty much do as you are told or else over things like wearing masks. So why the heck are cases rising again, it is hot dry they tell us covid likes cooler temps. They are carrying out all the sanitising and other regulations. This is a baffling illness.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 17:34

local to me.

twitter.com/BraintreeDC/status/1286582311358693376?s=20

Drivingdownthe101 · 25/07/2020 17:37

@justasking111

What puzzles me that in Spain they are pretty much do as you are told or else over things like wearing masks. So why the heck are cases rising again, it is hot dry they tell us covid likes cooler temps. They are carrying out all the sanitising and other regulations. This is a baffling illness.
They think in Spain the rise in cases is mainly due to young people socialising in bars/clubs etc, or illegal parties/gatherings. So far the increase in cases hasn’t led to an increase in hospital admissions or deaths.
Willow2017 · 25/07/2020 17:41

@LivinLaVidaLoki

DH went into town to get his dad a birthday present today and he said that all over town in all shop windows and all over the shopping centre were signs "don't make us ask, just wear a mask"

For some reason that gave me the rage. You shouldn't bloody ask. If someone isn't wearing one its probably for a good reason that's none of your fucking business.

They are not allowed to challenge you so that's an illegal sign right there.
justasking111 · 25/07/2020 17:46

The deaths are negligible in Spain, the media are saying second wave. But if young people are getting it and recovering that is a good thing surely. Just talking to DS now at end of February he, girlfriend and many others in their halls had symptoms but treated it as a nasty chesty bug. He admitted they all felt really ill but were reassured it was just part and parcel of student life.

I really hope those on holiday in Spain are allowed to return home uneventfully rather than the chaos we saw earlier in the year with repatriation.

I have a theory as to why Portugal is not on the safe list. It is to keep it just for our politicians and civil servants to enjoy without having to mix with the hoi polloi Grin

Drivingdownthe101 · 25/07/2020 17:48

But if young people are getting it and recovering that is a good thing sure

From what I read in a Spanish newspaper earlier, the worry is that the young people will infect older relatives.

Orangeblossom78 · 25/07/2020 17:54

www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2020/04/01/ask-the-expert-the-role-of-diet-and-nutritional-supplements-during-covid-19/

Interesting that this advises crash diets are not a good idea for the immune system. Important to be well nourished. I'm so fed up with all the contradictory advice etc. All getting a bit nannying isn't it.

It feels like we had a brief time of slight normality (well not really) but now it is just getting worse with the masks etc

And yes cases may well rise and then people will react with more rules etc. Argh. Closing things. etc.

justasking111 · 25/07/2020 17:55

@Drivingdownthe101

But if young people are getting it and recovering that is a good thing sure

From what I read in a Spanish newspaper earlier, the worry is that the young people will infect older relatives.

That has been the worry from the beginning. Young people will do what they do. Older relatives will just have to keep clear of them again sigh...
Orangeblossom78 · 25/07/2020 17:55

Waitrose are telling everyone on the way in, and just emailed with telling us all as well. Is that not allowed then? Confused

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 18:01

I thought some of you might be interested in this. I watched it on you tube last year. Dystopian drama 1990 Was billed as 1984 + 6

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_(TV_series)

justasking111 · 25/07/2020 18:01

@Orangeblossom78

Waitrose are telling everyone on the way in, and just emailed with telling us all as well. Is that not allowed then? Confused
Telling or asking?
NannyPhlegm · 25/07/2020 18:01

@justasking111 I was confused about the Spain situation too. Thanks to everyone for clarifying.