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[quote Pleasedontdothat]**@IAintentDead* and @FrugiFan* - I think it’s come from a study by the Institute for Health Metrics & Evaluation, based in Seattle. I heard one of their researchers on R4 the other day - really dementory about masks ..

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Oh those fuckers put out some really dodgy figures at the beginning. I do not trust them at all.

Sitting in the little park in our local town with a takeaway coffee, watching the world go by. I’ve been popping in and out of shops like a little harbinger of doom, albeit one in a cheery mask with whales on (the ladies in the sewing shop complimented me on this). Blimey it’s hot and uncomfortable though, I was always gasping to get it off again as soon as I left each shop! Which I’m sure defeats the object but 🤷‍♀️ I tried my best to only touch the ear loops.

This coffee though... it tastes of normality 🧡 I bloody love it.

Only been to the village shop. Playing it safe.

Show me your papers!!

I think it was thanks to Harry Willcock we don't still have identity cards from the second world war still in UK.

He got stopped in 1950 for motoring offense and refused to hand over identity card.

He went all the way to high court lost- though think they said they'd been mission creep - and still campigned till it became popular to get rid though police and the security services wanted to keep them.

I can understand similar concerns around masks - but I think it will reach a point eventually everyone does it to such a token level it will be quietly dropped though suspect this winter will be bad for anyone with mild hearing loss.

Reading something on BBC about Scottish shopping centres opening today and being really quiet. Maybe the mask wearing is putting people off, now sure. Said going from England to Edinburgh felt like going back in time.

@PinkFondantFancy it's not a mumsnet thing; really unpleasant stuff all over social media.

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath exactly, hopefully people will gradually get the hang of the fact that a chin hammock isn't actually a magical force field and it's all just so token it's not worth hassling people over

@Mascotte I was afraid that might be the case. I have reduced my echo chamber down to real life contact with friends and family

If it wasn't for social media we either wouldn't have had a lockdown at all or it would have lasted 3 weeks, the kids would have gone back to school after Easter.

We would be advised to hand wash and social distance, there would have been a few more deaths but probably fewer recorded as Covid and there would have been far fewer collateral deaths from cancers etc and from suicide (and the suicide ones will continue to happen for at least the next couple of years as poverty bites).

When it all kicked off I said isolation would be much easier than in the past because of modern connectivity but I now feel that the internet has caused and exacerbated more than it has benefited us.

Instagram is nice, just follow nice things - for me it is an animal charity and some friends who post things they like...it is a nice change from FB frothers by the sounds of it

I've muted most people but saw some horrible mask ranting on the local page I use to see what's open and suchlike. I reported it.

@IAintentDead

You are so right about the influence of social media in all this. I’ve muted everyone except Anti ds on Facebook.

I’m off to buy a sunflower. No way am I wearing a mask to prevent someone catching something I 99.84% don’t have.

My step daughter has asthma and wearing a mask incorrectly has already given her a nasty throat infection. If it moves to her chest she will likely be hospitalised as usual. It’s not entirely her fault, work have mandated the masks but aren’t providing sufficient to use safely. But it’s all about bloody masks at the moment!

I think IHME were the ones who had to withdraw their early models because they just guessed at the number of beds & critical care beds in the NHS - no surprise they were way out. I think they predicted there would be dead in the streets by the end of April. I’ll have a google & see if I can find anything!

‘my mask protects you, your mask protects me’

Trouble with that is 1) I don’t give a toss what ‘you’ do, I’ll look after myself thanks and 2) the kind of person that says that is not someone I like therefore I’m uninterested in protecting them.

Yeah as I remembered:

“According to the IHME projections, coronavirus deaths in the UK are set to rise steeply in mid-April, peaking at nearly 3,000 deaths a day on April 17.” - at peak it was just over 1000 a day including out of hospital (their estimate was hospital only iirc)

“ IHME estimates coronavirus could kill 20,300 in Italy, 19,209 in Spain, and 15,058 in France.” - oh look wrong wrong and wrong

“ The IHME numbers suggest that the UK’s death toll would be even higher than that of the US” - yeah okay

“The model assumed only about 800 ICU beds available in the UK, which was a massive shortfall. The UK has 6,800 ICU beds available. The fact that underlying assumptions in the model vary by such magnitudes over short spaces of time should be investigated.”

@IAintentDead “ If it wasn't for social media we either wouldn't have had a lockdown at all or it would have lasted 3 weeks, the kids would have gone back to school after Easter.” ... completely agree, rule by twitter mob. It’s obscene.

WHO & the CDC have set the infection fatality rate at 0.65% for comparison the really bad ‘flu of ‘57 was 0.67%

Interesting story here about the role of schoolchildren in spreading it - much less than thought, apparently. Hopefully this will be good news for children getting an education again.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony

"WHO & the CDC have set the infection fatality rate at 0.65% for comparison the really bad ‘flu of ‘57 was 0.67%"

I think you mean 'just' 'flu. The one that only kills 10s of thousands on a bad year, despite us having a vaccine, the one that can leave you weak, aching and tired for months or years after, the one that leads to serious lung damage for a good number of people, the one that in its milder form can make you so ill that you can only get to the toilet by crawling slowly across the floor. But it's not Covid.

@Pleasedontdothat ... I agree with you - that stupid you protect me I protect you platitude irritates me so much I just want to scream!

@justasking111

Covid deaths England 11, NI 1, Scotland 0 Wales 0. England will update later with figures outside hospital settings.

So that will be a total figure of around 6,978 once they have added in:

*anyone who sadly died with covid outside of hospital
*anyone who sadly died who could spell covid
*anyone who sadly died after watching covid related news on the TV or seeing it on the internet
*anyone who sadly died maybe of covid, or with covid, or with a cold which have may have been covid back in February 1824

@amicissimma ah yes ... I’m being a “just flu” denialist again ... that horrible infection which kills many many thousands despite a vaccine and yet we don’t give a moment’s consideration to shutting up the world. Bastard people carrying on with their lives while old ladies (& children) die all over the world. The irony.

Plus anyone who was pecked to death by a crow, raven or magpie, because they’re corvids and that sounds kind of like covid.

No, the total is 11. So PHE have brought some poor soul back to life.

@Teateaandmoretea

No, the total is 11. So PHE have brought some poor soul back to life.

They probably had a facemask.

((gets coat))

Oh and for those that wished me luck earlier. I couldnt get through this morning, I had to work. I am now sat in a queue waiting for them to answer my call.

I have been in the queue for 49 minutes so far.

The figures are such utter bollocks. I understand how you announce a negative number it’s removing double counting. But surely they should make sure that they aren’t announcing people’s deaths twice before they put the bloody figures out? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Announcing someone’s death twice is really really disrespectful imo.

@LivinLaVidaLoki