Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

My thoughts? Beauty, money, fame. Their lives sound absolutely grim. What a cost. And now we can read all about it for titillation. How do you reach a mindset in which you rely on public love and admiration to maintain your lifestyle yet can also believe your career will withstand the dirty washing being slung around? Deranged.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus ^^ Honestly, from reading the transcripts it sounds like a nightmare, the sheer weight of documents and cross references. I believe the judge has even asked for a reference key at the end in order to navigate his way through it.

No she doesn't "she doesn't like to call people liars" I think she said that about 6 times yesterday!

Beauty, money, fame. Their lives sound absolutely grim. What a cost.

Yes, that’s what I thought. I’m surprised Depp came across as even barely coherent when giving evidence as he sounded barely functional during some of the recordings, with Heard having to top up his Xanex. Imagine being so out of it that you can’t manage your own medication or, really, manage anything in your life without help from a team of people. I think that comes from being a ‘product’ rather than a human being and it’s incredibly sad.

As Philip Larkin said - May you be ordinary!

I heard a clip on the news yesterday - blimey she contradicts herself. I don’t believe the pair of them - hardly ‘reliable witnesses’ are they? Neither will come out smelling of roses. Oh well, makes my boring old life seem positively desirable.

I’m sure someone has already said this - but why is this happening in London/U.K.?

sorry my comment was for tinysongstress

It looks like both reputations won't come out of this well.

Besides the shitting on the bed episode, how many men has she brought up in that bloody lift! I'd be mortified.

I think they're both dicks tbh and I fully believe they've both belted each other at times.

I don't believe faux innocence act at all, I knew plenty of women like that when I was growing up who couldn't contain their anger and would push their partners around, goading them into fights and then revelling in playing the victim when it finally happened. Generally most people grow out of that stage once they have a bit of real world experience.

He sounds like a sad old twat who doesn't realise he's not 25 anymore, I can imagine him being violent and pushing, slapping, throwing things etc.

I hate to side with the Sun but I think the above behaviour does make him a 'Wife Beater', irrespective of the lead up or the context, the minute you hit your spouse... you're a beater.

They're both victims and perpetrators of their own toxic downfall. But that's not on trial and I think the Sun will get away with it.

but why is this happening in London/U.K.

Because Depp is suing the publishers of the Daily Mail for publishing an article calling him a wife beater. He is separately taking action against Heard in America.

Oh I see. I cant really see how a hmmmm actor of a certain age with a drink and drugs problem could beat his way out of a wet paper bag, He doesn't look very 'physical' and she has 20+years and a few inches on him.

No - neither will come out of this well.

Each one of them sounds like their own worst enemy.

I think they are both lying and both acted abusively to each other, even if JD didn’t physically hit AH the violence to rooms etc is enough.

What a terrible relationship they had.

even if JD didn’t physically hit AH the violence to rooms etc is enough

It may be in terms of your opinion of him but not in terms of this case. The Sun has to show that, on the balance of probabilities, Depp is a wife-beater. Trashing rooms does not make that allegation substantially true.

AH is clearly deranged and a liar, but that won’t win the case for JD on its own

It certainly could. Given that the only evidence of him beating her appears to come from her evidence and things she told friends, if she has no credibility Depp will win.

It may be in terms of your opinion of him but not in terms of this case. The Sun has to show that, on the balance of probabilities, Depp is a wife-beater. Trashing rooms does not make that allegation substantially true.

I didn’t say that it did.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus - I'm not sure which of the photos that have been seen on the internet are actually part of the evidence. I believe some of them have been discredited. Of course, a photo of her with injuries taken just after one of the alleged incidents supports her statement but it is not conclusive. A photo may prove she was injured but it doesn't prove who injured her. As for other evidence, it may be that more will emerge as we go through this week but most of it seems to be her friends reporting what she told them. This can confirm that what she was telling them ties up with her allegations which helps her credibility a little but it falls short of proof.

The problem for the Sun is that there is evidence from her friends, his friends, her ex-employees, his employees and ex-employees, and US law enforcement officers supporting his version of events. She appears to be coming across badly under cross examination so at the moment I would say the balance of probabilities is against the Sun.

Just to be clear, "substantially true" doesn't really apply in this case although, due to the wording of the relevant law, that is what the Sun is arguing. If, for example, if the Sun alleged that Depp had physically attacked Heard on 9 separate occasions but they could only prove 7 of them, that would be enough to say the allegation is substantially true. However, they have simply alleged that Depp is a wife beater. Either he is or he isn't. There isn't really an in between state in which the allegation is substantially true.

@prh47bridge is it bad form to politely request that you do a daily summary on this thread? You make it all make sense!

Has there been any definition of ‘wife beater’? Does it for example mean a single case of physical violence, or does it mean regular, habitual violence? Does it take into account anything like provocation or self defence?

Their relationship sounds toxic but I don’t think Johnny Depp is near 100 % “to blame”, she isn’t emerging smelling of roses.

@penberrh - I'm not aware of any legal argument in the case on this subject but I haven't read all of the transcript. If there is no legal argument I would expect the court to go with the dictionary definition - "a man who regularly or habitually beats his wife or female partner". So I guess it is possible the court may conclude that Depp has beaten Heard but not often enough to be classed as a wife beater.

@Iwalkinmyclothing - Not bad form but I'm not sure I have the time for that, plus I'm going to be away for a few days in the near future! However, I'm always happy to answer questions. If you or anyone else tags me in a post I'll pick it up and try to respond.

AH is claiming now to have 'heard a rumour from two people' that JD pushed Kate Moss down the stairs- she claims this is why she punched him, in defence of her sister as he was going to push her down the stairs.

Never mentioned before. She has not a shred of credibility.

He's clearly got long-standing issues with drugs and alcohol and I'm sure his behaviour wasn't perfect but on the balance of the evidence in front of us I think it's likely that she was the abuser.

Such a wicked woman. How can anyone defend her?

Don't care for him either but her actions are indefensible.