Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

[Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone]

I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

I was wondering the same - amazing he survived and is able to work!

The whisky! Hard, hard liquor.... Pints of it.... Endless bottles of wine.... Coke and whisky at midday, bags of mdma... How can one liver sustain all that

Well it won’t. He’s 57 now but he looks like shit- bloated, puffy face, rotting teeth, pot belly with skinny limbs. All the signs of an addict.
Sad to say but I doubt he’ll make old bones. I’ve noticed that lots of hard living celebs die in their late 50s. You can’t treat your body like a dustbin and get away with it forever I’m afraid. It always catches up with you in the end.

I'm guessing since he admitted taking drugs at 11, he has built up a massive tolerance to it. I remember there was a documentary about Lemmy, lead singer of Motorhead. He was a life long speed addict (amphetamines) when he went to see a Harley St doctor about giving up, he said don't ever stop as you will have a heart attack and die due to the shock of stopping.

That is true, the shock of stopping can be lethal. There are deaths from DT’s. There needs to be a phased withdrawal for long term and severe addicts and not everyone can stick to that.

In the sense of his addiction and mental health, I do believe he was vulnerable. With regard to the strength of his power, public recognition and money compared to hers, she was vulnerable. She was probably in control of very little in her own day to day life.

I've read and listened to hours of recordings and testimonies and videos and statements surrounding this.

There's epic batshittery on both sides but ultimately she went all out to mentally, physically & emotionally destroy him and ticked pretty much every box of a toxic narcissistic abuser, I don't think he'll ever get over it fully. I do believe she perpetrated violence and I don't believe he is, as The Sun claims a 'wife beater'.

However, he has huge huge issues, has behaved awfully and needs serious help...but people have been trying to help him all his life, to no avail.

The burden of proof is on him to demonstrate more likely than not that he never touched her in anger. It's easy to prove a positive, but incredibly hard to prove a negative, so in that respect I'm not yet convinced he will be successful but actually, I do believe him on this.

The burden of proof is on him to demonstrate more likely than not that he never touched her in anger.

This is what I've been struggling with, even if he never laid a finger on her in anger.. how on earth can you actually prove that?

Also yes to the epic batshittery.. the whole thing is a mess, and I'm not sure his career will be the same after - but then again, he's already had the majority of his career which is probably for the best.

At this stage, Depp should leave film industry to sort his issues out.
Who writes on mirrors with their severed finger? It takes a certain level of unhinged to do that.

@covetingthepreciousthings

It's complicated but it's basically this:

Both parties agree that the article accuses Depp of being guilty of domestic abuse and causing serious bodily harm to Heard. A statement of criminality.
NGN’s defense to defamation is what they call the “truth defense”, which mean, they say it is not defamation, because it is true.

As far as I can tell (but I am no lawyer) this means that is actually up to NGN to prove that Depp is in fact guilty.

So one of the subjects the judge needs to decide on, is whether in fact Depp is guilty.

Also, in the skeleton arguments, team Depp claims that, even though it is usual in a civil case, that the standard of proof is that of “balance of probabilities” (which I presume to mean, whomever’s story is more probable). But they claim that because of the severity of what he is accused of (which would be a criminal level act) the court should take a stance of “presumption of innocence” until the proof is strong enough to prove otherwise.

As far as I can tell, the defendants have not contested this.

I can't imagine in all that black out drunken, violent chaos he didn't hit her even once.

Her testimony is going to be interesting.
It's alot for one judge to take in?
I wonder if the tapes will be played.. I guess that will be next week when his team interrogate her?

I wonder if the tapes will be played

I believe there has been some audio played in the trial already

As far as I can tell (but I am no lawyer) this means that is actually up to NGN to prove that Depp is in fact guilty

I thought this too. So, what if Amber says yes, he hit me. He denies it.
Then what? is that "enough" proof for The Sun to run the story, because she said so, OR, does it have to be definitively proven that he did actually do it?

I thought this too. So, what if Amber says yes, he hit me. He denies it.
Then what? is that "enough" proof for The Sun to run the story, because she said so, OR, does it have to be definitively proven that he did actually do it?

I'm fairly sure he's already admitted he head butted her - albeit in self defence he's said, so if he's admitted to hurting her like that, can they still run it?

I'm fairly sure he's already admitted he head butted her - albeit in self defence he's said, so if he's admitted to hurting her like that, can they still run it?

No idea! I dont know what the legal rules would be around this. I thought that technically, its not defamation if the information is true. So, then that hinges on what you define as a "wife beater". If its someone that once hit his wife, then I guess yes- he has done that. But if it was in self defence maybe not?

Does anyone know how long the trial is set to go on for?

3 weeks!!

3 weeks!!

Where do the courts get all the texts from? Did they take his phone off him?

You only need to look at Keith Richards to see that it is possible to survive and still be talented after a drunk and drink fuelled life. I wonder how his wife put up with it? Apparently they’ve been very happily married for many years.

I read some interviews with Keith Richards as I didnt understand how he was still alive lol.

Interestingly- he says he was meticulous with dosage. Basically, he said he'd take enough drugs to get high and then he would always stop. That was enough for him. He said the difference with others is that they would get high and always want to get more high, so they would take more and more and more. He never did. He always stopped once he achieved what he wanted to. This is what he says saved him.

Everyone wants to believe jd because he's been a part of our 'lives' for decades. The videos and court transcripts make him sound vile.
Getting Vanessa, his children's mother and his ex from over twenty years ago to act as character witnesses is absolute bullshit.
Blatantly he has been like this for years. His child's mum is not going to publicly slate him. She no doubt has a lot to lose if she damages his reputation and that could include losing the love and respect of his kids as well as depp's fortune.
And winona, that's just pathetic.
So long ago, anyone could have changed drastically in that time.
How about people who know him now?
Colleagues, ex staff etc.

@Branleuse

noone wants to believed that beloved Johnny depp would do such a thing, but this is the whole problem isnt it.

its always "i believe her" until its a bloke people actually like

Agreed

@narrowboatgirl

Morgan Freeman was accused of sexual harassment by eight different women, and allegedly had an affair with his first ex-wife’s granddaughter, who he and his second ex-wife adopted (the details came out after the girl was sadly murdered, and texts and things from the girl were read out in court).

Wow. Completely missed this.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

Say what you like but Johnny was very attractive and sexy and a good actor - What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Ed Wood, Edward Scissor Hands to name just a few of his films

I dont think anyone is denying that JD was beautiful when he was younger and a good actor. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with his car crash behaviour now does it? Also, would you be happy to be in a relationship with someone who trashes hotel rooms, passes out on the floor and pisses themselves regularly, becomes incoherent for days on end, requires putting to bed by security guards, and has serious anger, jealousy, addiction issues?- you'd put up with all of that simply because theyre pretty?

LOL

I actually did try and stay with someone like this, partly because he was very pretty. Add on the classic manipulative behaviour of a lifelong addict and it's very easy to get hooked into their absolute cluster fuck of a life. Adding the sink costs fallacy too. Imagine that combined with with the riches and acclaim of being with someone like jd. He will never struggle to find partners even after this vile court case

He will never struggle to find partners even after this vile court case

Interesting isnt it? If he was the local janitor and wasnt a movie star and didnt have millions, I think he'd find it much harder to find a partner!
Its kind of sick the way we excuse abusive behaviour when someone is famous and popular. Cognitive dissonance at its finest!

He will never struggle to find partners even after this vile court case

Works both ways, I don't think she will either considering she has her girlfriend supporting her at court.
Can't say I'd be lining up to be partnered with either of them right now.

Surely there will be other witnesses called apart from Winona / Vanessa? He clearly has quite a few staff members from housekeepers to security, won't they be called on?