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Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone · 08/07/2020 18:53

I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

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Defenbaker · 08/07/2020 22:55

user135664323455 posted:

"You don't understand domestic violence at all. That much is clear from your comments."

I'm very lucky that I've never been on the receiving end of it, so I don't have the level of understanding that victims do. That said, there's no need to berate me for finding one of JD's comments in court amusing - that doesn't make me some sort of monster. Nor does somebody slamming cupboard doors in a rage prove that they are a wife beater. JD clearly has issues and is no angel, but I don't see AH as an innocent victim in all this. Maybe by the time the trial ends I will hold a different view, time will tell.

JKRisagryff · 08/07/2020 22:55

Arietty all those things are awful and show him to be a pretty bad parent with substance abuse issues. But that’s not what she accused him of. The texts are horrible, sexist and distasteful but again don’t change the fact that there are recordings of her admitting to being the instigator of violence in their relationship.

When people say they believe him I think they mean they believe that she beat him, threw things at him including a glass bottle which severed his finger off, shit in his bed, degraded and gaslighted him. Then finished it off with some life-ruining slander and libel by fabricating stories about eg. being dragged around by the hair which turned out to be made up nonsense insulting to victims of domestic abuse.

We’re not saying we believe him to be an amazing person who never put a foot wrong in this relationship.

MorganKitten · 08/07/2020 23:00

I’ve worked a festival a film of hers was showing at... she treats people like crap and that was before she was a name. She is also an addict and very volatile.

narrowboatgirl · 08/07/2020 23:01

I believe that she hit him, threw things at him, and shit in his bed (gross, and deranged!). But I also believe that he beat the shit out of her, set her stuff on fire, and dragged her around by her hair.

One thing doesn’t justify the other, or cancel the other out.

ArriettyJones · 08/07/2020 23:01

Arietty all those things are awful and show him to be a pretty bad parent with substance abuse issues. But that’s not what she accused him of. The texts are horrible, sexist and distasteful but again don’t change the fact that there are recordings of her admitting to being the instigator of violence in their relationship.

Smashing up a room around somebody, or items near to somebody, are modes of bullying and intimidation. It’s part of DV. It’s certainly not healthy behaviour.

Whether or not he actually struck her is almost a technicality. (Although admittedly technicalities might be what the court cha tea about.) Morally, he’s guilty. He’s damned himself by his own words, and the really fucked up thing is he doesn’t even know it.

ArriettyJones · 08/07/2020 23:02

@narrowboatgirl

I believe that she hit him, threw things at him, and shit in his bed (gross, and deranged!). But I also believe that he beat the shit out of her, set her stuff on fire, and dragged her around by her hair.

One thing doesn’t justify the other, or cancel the other out.

Exactly!
lotusbell · 08/07/2020 23:02

I don't think he's beaten her but I think he said and done some vile things, as has she. A very toxic relationship on both sides.
Also, can someone explain why Paul Bettany has been dragged into it? Is it because AH knew of their friendship and text messages about her and JD has been forced to reveal details of the conversation? He sounds awful and that's his rep in tatters as well!

Tinkerbell456 · 08/07/2020 23:03

From what I’ve read, while he ain’t no angel, and doesn’t claim to be. I just don’t see him doing this. She however does have form, by repute, for violent tantrums. The poo in the bed thing -disgusting. I think it was a very toxic relationship all round.

Windyjuly · 08/07/2020 23:05

Good post JK.

It's interesting because without those tapes I would have absolutely condemned him straight out.

She doesn't just mention her own lack of control once, it's endless. Pushing, punching, slapping, chucking...

I think he fell utterly madly in love with her. She didn't really find him the ONE. He wooed her, flattered her, lavished her. She intrigued him because she was never quite his but eventually this led to mad rages of jealously. He never believed her.

Whatever he thought she was slowly fell away, she realised the extent of his clearly massive massive drug issues. She nagged him he was childish and did it worse, he had remorse... And down and down they went.

It is in humane to try and catch him out however the day after his mum died, and clearly he had a very difficult relationship with her and I imagine her death brought back lots of child hood trauma as well as grief.

It does seem people around him can't be honest with him, re drinking... And amber did try.

He's clearly broken hearted and I imagine still holds a candle for her.

I'm very interested in how people are getting the narracisitic vibe off her though.

Hearwego · 08/07/2020 23:09

Hard to say without actually witnessing it.
Who knows what happened behind closed doors.?
I think she has been accused of being a bit bizarre herself.
Johnny Depp comes across as a gentle soul from what I’ve seen.

Windyjuly · 08/07/2020 23:11

The tapes a few pages back are astonishing in the detail and intimacy of what has gone on. They really are shocking.

Hearwego · 08/07/2020 23:12

JD was has been in relationships with Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis. Neither have claimed he has been violent to them.
I also wouldn’t think he’d sue a newspaper if he was guilty. I’m my personal opinion, I’m not saying I’m right.

rayoflightboy · 08/07/2020 23:13

Im reading this with my mouth open.He was beaten,she shat in his bed.And loads on here are still trying to blame him.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Domestic violence is a disgusting crime,whether a man or a woman is the perpetrator.

Hes not less of a victim just because hes a man or Johnny Depp.

narrowboatgirl · 08/07/2020 23:13

There’s a video of her on one of the talk shows, recorded during her marriage, where she clearly has a bruised and swollen face and split lip which she’s hiding behind pounds of thick makeup. This was back when they were still claiming to be the perfect couple, long before she made any abuse allegations, so you can’t accuse her of staging it to frame him.

There’s another series of pap pics of them leaving a private jet and her face is bashed all to hell. Someone on that plane gave her a good biffing. Again this was long before she accused him of anything.

There are so, so many photos and videos of her during the “perfect” stage of their marriage, showing her with bruises, black eyes, etc.

wildone84 · 08/07/2020 23:14

When I read about it a while back I believed her. His behaviour sounded awful.

bilbotoy · 08/07/2020 23:19

But he’s at least as bad as she is. Worse, since she’s never been accused of being violent to anyone else and he has.

But she has though...

He sent texts about wanting to fuck her burnt corpse.

well that's yucky

  • Including Kate Moss, Jennifer Grey and his first wife Lori? Wow, I’ve not seen those testimonials, any links?

No? Because they don’t exist.

Lori defo said something

JKRisagryff · 08/07/2020 23:21

narrow did you listen to the tapes? I was just listening to them again, there’s no mention whatsoever of him being violent towards her or even of him smashing or throwing stuff. The only thing that’s talked about is that he’s pushed her when she’s been getting violent with him. I know people will say well maybe it just wasn’t mentioned but there’s plenty of places they’re talking about each of their behaviour in comparison to the other and it would be pretty weird that it wouldn’t come up in the conversation at all. It’s all focused on her violence and you can tell she’s desperate to keep deflecting and to try and pin something on him so why wouldn’t she just say ‘well what about all that stuff you smashed up’ or ‘what about that time you dragged me round by the hair?’

He says to her at one point ‘I’m not the one who throws pots and pans’. She doesn’t try to argue with him at all she just says ‘well just because I throw pots and pans’....and goes on to say he should be the one coming to her to make up after he’s walked away to avoid being attacked.

expat101 · 08/07/2020 23:21

I think there are some couples who really shouldn't be together, ever.

This pair fall into that category.

ArriettyJones · 08/07/2020 23:29

narrow did you listen to the tapes? I was just listening to them again, there’s no mention whatsoever of him being violent towards her or even of him smashing or throwing stuff. The only thing that’s talked about is that he’s pushed her when she’s been getting violent with him. I know people will say well maybe it just wasn’t mentioned but there’s plenty of places they’re talking about each of their behaviour in comparison to the other

Video of him smashing up his kitchen was played in court today.

He also testified that he smashed an Art Deco lamp fitting in a trailer on a campsite trip and smashed up a hotel room twenty years ago while Kate Moss slept next door.

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bilbotoy · 08/07/2020 23:31

Apparently he thinks it’s ok to smash up hotel room as he doesn’t hit women

No acknowledgement or awareness how frightening this might be

Playing devils advocate does it have to be frightening though? Wasn't this a thing in the 90s for rockers/celebs to trash hotel rooms/break TVs?

ArriettyJones · 08/07/2020 23:33

I wonder if this side of Paul Bettany is news to Jennifer C?

BarbedBloom · 08/07/2020 23:39

I think there was abuse on both sides and there were rumours about him hitting KM and WR years ago. I remember the blind sites talking about it. The issue with him is the substances. He was mostly sober while he was with Vanessa, but then fell of the wagon dramatically. I think they are both very damaged and were toxic together

JKRisagryff · 08/07/2020 23:43

arietty yes sorry I know about these, I’m not talking about the historical incidents or the incident when his mum died which I believe was at the end of their relationship. Having heard the tapes I rewatched it and I feel like that is a grieving man being goaded. To me it reflects worse on her than on him after hearing the backstory.

I’m not claiming he’s a perfect human being as he obviously has major issues. I’m also not defending him cause I’m some big super fan or because I don’t understand domestic violence (I do).

From their recorded conversations it didn’t sound like there was much of this going on in their relationship, maybe there was general cupboard door slamming but they talk about how it is her that throws things. She’s obviously not intimidated by him as she talks to him like he’s a piece of shit on her shoe and taunts him about not staying to fight her.