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MonsteraCheeseplant · 2020-07-08T06:13:37+00:00

This is weird, right? I've just seen Jodie Comer trending on Twitter and I wondered why, it genuinely seems to be people being upset at her for 1. Being straight and 2. Dating someone who supports Trump. Is this is a US vs UK thing because Politics really isn't as big of a deal here? WTF is going on? A few links if you want [[https://twitter.com/wonderscoven/status/1280719865762979841?s=20 Tweet 1]] [[https://twitter.com/gl0ssbaby/status/1280730485669236736?s=20 Tweet 2]] [[https://twitter.com/jodiesbaby/status/1280738098377359360?s=20 Tweet 3]] [[https://twitter.com/monicajimont/status/1280729216086990848?s=20 Tweet 4]]

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 08/07/2020 13:35

The fact that I can't bear Trump or anything he stands for is beside the point. He's an elected president. He's received plenty of support from his country's electorate.

This woman is entitled to a private life and can date whoever she chooses. As for this: You are the sum of the 5 people you spend most time with - how weak-willed would people have to be to absorb the views of those around them without question? The people we spend time with are not extensions of our own thought, politics or belief systems. Thankfully the suffragists of a century ago if not the 'woke' of today understood as much. Their thinking is along the same lines as those long-established couples I like to laugh at: the ones who say 'WE think' as though they only had one mind between them.

The Twitter view is that these people want to behave like arseholes without being called out. They evade the point that 'cancel culture' - getting people fired from their jobs for a contrary opinion and summarily deplatformed - and robust disagreement/debate are two completely separate things. With this approach there IS no debate. If you're guilty of 'wrongthink', you'll be vapourised.

There's no nuance. And now even or perhaps especially the universities - former bastions of free speech and sites of difficult discussion - have been hamstrung by this brutal culture of censorship that pervaded our society a hundred years ago. It's like F R Leavis being pursued by the deadly authorities and having his entire background picked over and investigated for smuggling Ulysses into his lecture room and allowing it to be read by - shock horror! - WOMEN!

Social media is making this BS even more pervasive. WTH has happened to critical thinking rather than chanting slogans like automatons?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 08/07/2020 13:40

NB. People here might be interested in an observation on Twitter that Margaret Atwood's seriously odd comments on slug sex were made after signing the letter calling for an end to #CancelCulture.

That might explain quite a lot, although she's never claimed any real sympathy with feminism and The Handmaid's Tale was an ugly book in many senses of that word. Her commentary on supposed victim culture has always been fairly insulting, too.

rainbringsjoytome · 08/07/2020 14:05

You are the sum of the 5 people you spend most time with

Surely this is an argument to make these people as diverse as possible, not as narrow as possible

rainbringsjoytome · 08/07/2020 14:07

And anyone here who is concerned about free speech/ cancel culture may be interested in the newly formed Free Speech Union.

freespeechunion.org/

LastTrainEast · 08/07/2020 14:14

I wonder if these people will learn from their mistake if they succeed. If Jodie Comer were to be fired and the TV show cancelled?

The ones I saw were so obsessed that I think their heads might explode.

LastTrainEast · 08/07/2020 14:21

And for those talking as though supporting Trump is like being a war criminal I'll just remind you that you are referring to the majority of Americans.

How does that compute in Tin Foil Hat Land?

DrDavidBanner · 08/07/2020 14:42

You are the sum of the 5 people you spend most time with

There are so many things that my husband and I disagree on, and we've had some pretty lively converstions, but we can have those conversations. Sometimes its interesting to listen to a different viewpoint, sometimes its very frustrating but you can't bury yorself in an echo chamber.

Look at the current how the Labour Party failed the last election, maybe Kier Starmer will turn things around, who knows, but they did just that. They built an echo chamber where dissenting voices were not allowed and forgot that other people's views matter whether you allow them to voice them or not.

peadarm · 08/07/2020 14:45

@CuriousaboutSamphire

James K. Burke, She's dating the original Captain of The Starship Enterprise???

No, that was James T. Kirk.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 08/07/2020 14:53

I think she was joking pea

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/07/2020 15:46

Yes, I was joking.

Misread the room, my apologies.

peadarm · 08/07/2020 20:33

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Yes, I was joking.

Misread the room, my apologies.

Ditto

DuineArBith · 09/07/2020 23:03

@rainbringsjoytome, you're missing the point. When I talk about someone who supports Trump, I'm not talking about someone who simply voted for him four years ago. I'm talking about someone who supports him now, and who therefore must believe that it's perfectly acceptable for someone in his position to be racist, misogynist, petty, bigoted, hypocritical, corrupt, and utterly incompetent.

It really isn't a matter of re-evaluating your prejudice. No-one with any decency can revaluate their prejudice against someone who holds the views that Trump does, who behaves the way he does, and who has the responsibility for thousands of deaths, whether by shooting or by coronavirus.

Mysterian · 09/07/2020 23:25

Actually, the 'original' USS Enterprise- NCC-1701 was first captained by Robert April, then Christopher Pike before Kirk took over.

Starra · 02/09/2020 05:18

ProfessorPootle Considering that the Tories have been responsible for repeatedly discriminating against disabled people, and that right wing rhetoric is laced with prejudice sentiment for "economic burdens", and that's one of the nicer terms, I think it's fair the Tories get the criticism they do. That has nothing to do with saying "the left" are perfect, it's simply holding accountable the people who are most guilty of this behaviour. It's a lot more important than "cancel culture".

Starra · 02/09/2020 05:24

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

The fact that I can't bear Trump or anything he stands for is beside the point. He's an elected president. He's received plenty of support from his country's electorate.

This woman is entitled to a private life and can date whoever she chooses. As for this: You are the sum of the 5 people you spend most time with - how weak-willed would people have to be to absorb the views of those around them without question? The people we spend time with are not extensions of our own thought, politics or belief systems. Thankfully the suffragists of a century ago if not the 'woke' of today understood as much. Their thinking is along the same lines as those long-established couples I like to laugh at: the ones who say 'WE think' as though they only had one mind between them.

The Twitter view is that these people want to behave like arseholes without being called out. They evade the point that 'cancel culture' - getting people fired from their jobs for a contrary opinion and summarily deplatformed - and robust disagreement/debate are two completely separate things. With this approach there IS no debate. If you're guilty of 'wrongthink', you'll be vapourised.

There's no nuance. And now even or perhaps especially the universities - former bastions of free speech and sites of difficult discussion - have been hamstrung by this brutal culture of censorship that pervaded our society a hundred years ago. It's like F R Leavis being pursued by the deadly authorities and having his entire background picked over and investigated for smuggling Ulysses into his lecture room and allowing it to be read by - shock horror! - WOMEN!

Social media is making this BS even more pervasive. WTH has happened to critical thinking rather than chanting slogans like automatons?

The people who complain about "cancel culture" don't actually care about what they're complaining about. Mob justice has always existed. If you care so much about people losing their jobs (something which mostly isn't happening over cancel culture), they would take issue with the fact that we have a system where not having a job can be so detrimental, and care about the fact that working class people and vulnerable people are getting screwed over all the time in the current system, more so than JK Rowling getting called a bitch on Twitter.

Starra · 02/09/2020 05:44

@MonsteraCheeseplant

You are the sum of the 5 people you spend most time with.

I wouldn't be friends with a Trump supporter, I don't want to be friends with people whose ethics and morals are so far from mine.

You see, that's bullshit. You're falsely placing others in a position of being diametrically opposed to everything you believe and that there can be no common ground. The world is just not that black and white. People can change their minds (including you!). How can opinions change if we make our whole world an echo chamber? How is life fun if everyone is a robot who thinks the same? And in any case, what business is it of yours (one) who someone else spends time with and what makes you think all these assumptions you are making are anywhere near correct?

My mother spent 60 years of her life trying to turn around the thinking of her nasty mother and equally nasty younger sister. She spent years reasoning with them, helping them when they needed it. and trying to have a balance of not letting them get away with murder, but also being there for them and showing compassion. Guess what? It was a waste of time, and she only just finally closed the door in them for good, because she doesn't want to spend the remains of her life dealing with people who don't care about her, and don't appreciate what she's done for them. This is just two people that she tried to reason with and influence for the better. How much time should people realistically spend to try and make other people change their mind?

You're making the assumption that if people stop liking someone, they're seeing things in black and white as you put it. I stopped being friends with a casual online acquaintance recently after I found out he hated cold blooded animals like lizards and snaked, and enjoys watching them get killed in nature shows. I didn't suddenly think he was evil all of a sudden, or that he's wrong about everything, but he revealed a side of himself I didn't like and I didn't want to be friends with him anymore, personally. Is that okay with you? By the same token, I'm absolutely not going to be friends with people who yell that taxation is theft, and that welfare should be cut down/done away with. Fully knowing that this will affect those most vulnerable in society, nor am I going to baby people who are already being wilfully ignorant just to posture as someone not living in an echo chamber. I have no problem listening to other people's views, in fact I encourage it so people know what's going on in the world. But "not thinking the same" isn't the issue. So cut the bullshit.