Jodie Comer 'cancelled' because she's dating a trump supporter??

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This is weird, right? I've just seen Jodie Comer trending on Twitter and I wondered why, it genuinely seems to be people being upset at her for 1. Being straight and 2. Dating someone who supports Trump.

Is this is a US vs UK thing because Politics really isn't as big of a deal here? WTF is going on?

A few links if you want
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I think we need to cancel Twitter, its a cesspit.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

James K. Burke, She's dating the original Captain of The Starship Enterprise???

???

Why do people think if you date someone you agree with or endorse all their views?

I don't care a jot who some actress dates.

However, I can't see how I could possibly date a Trump supporter, because I don't see how you can separate someone's opinions from the person that they are. To support Trump, you have to be prepared, as a minimum, to close your eyes to his racism, misogyny, and homophobia; also to his inherent greed and corruption. You need to accept the hypocrisy of being against abortion whilst also being against guns control. You need to accept his attitude that he just doesn't care about the most vulnerable members of society. You need to see nothing wrong with the extraordinary incompetence Trump has shown in relation to the pandemic. I can't see any circumstances in which I would hook up with someone who went along with all that, no matter how nice they seem on the surface or how incredibly good sex with them might be. And I suspect that if a friend of mind did hook up with someone like that, I would think less of them.

@diddl Clueless joke! I was parodying Twatters... badly it seems!

(James T. Kirk)

I think lockdown in many countries has brought about an escalation in twitter nastiness. People are bored. But the absolute venom and disgusting attitude of so many people on twitter is appalling. There is no self censoring. People become accustomed to being allowed to say the most vile things about other human beings and they will take that into the real world. What kind of people is this platform creating?

Doyoumind, totally agree x

I have discovered that you can block words on Twitter from your feed, it has become so much nicer...................

@cremuel

To be fair, if she is posting a lot about BLM and left-wing activist stuff (which the tweets imply she is) and is then dating an active Trump supporter, that is a bit hypocritical and I could see why people would be annoyed. But still really creepy that people have gone to such lengths to stalk her. If her partner is just a republican rather than a Trump supporter then it’s not such a big deal.

Has to be said that over 60 million US citizens voted for Trump.

There's no excuse for shaming a woman for her partner, but I would've thought that someone like the Guardian's Amelia Gentleman - an actual liberal opinion-maker married to an actual (now former) Tory minister who implemented the policies she railed against - might be nearer the top of the list.

The reason she's not (and I'm not suggesting for a second she should be - she definitely shouldn't) is that twitter is a north American playground, and even British trolls want to play with the playground bosses and US-driven celebrity culture.

Jodie Comer isn't even on twitter. The fans have assigned beliefs to her! She's maybe done some interviews. They are pissed off she portrayed a lesbian but is straight. It's a simple as that. She's done nothing wrong. She is being smeared for nothing.

Interesting, redtoothbrush.
Your favourite thread on the Brexit topic doesn’t seem to tolerate alternative .

A couple of points about this.

I've personally tried to encourage different views and actually there are a range of views expressed on that thread (I disagree with people regularly enough).

And secondly, having an opinion about something doesn't change material facts and the practical application of a change in policy. Its all about the difference between opinion and law/treaties which are fixed and need to be carefully unpicked and rewritten if you want to make change and how this works in practice.

You have to acknowledge where you are, in terms of what the rules and laws and conflicts of interest are, in order to change where you are going - and you need to be honest about this.

People can have different ideas about where they see the future going but they have to see the problems and plan for getting to that goal.

Ultimately, the problem with the majority of issues between remainers and leavers is this barrier.

I DO think that many remainers are unwilling to move on from 24th June 2016 and accept that the world has changed since then (and I'm very pissed off with politicians who also failed to realise this and act accordingly. I've said it many times. They don't want to change, but the problem is things HAVE to change whether its liked or not. The only question is how you go about it in the best possible way. I've stressed this to those on the thread many times (although not always taken in).

Equally I think that many leavers still aren't seeing the importance of detail and understanding of the fundamentals of trade deals and thats going to bite us on the arse at some point. You can't just spout opinions without giving thought as to how you unravel stuff and move forward within the timescales we've limited ourselves to.

If this has passed you by in the course of those threads, then please stop by and join in. Ultimately the thread has been about following where we are politically and where we are going by reflecting on current events and political trends. I have done my best, and don't know what more I could do to improve it further and stay in the reality of whats actually happening rather than wandering off into pure wishful thinking and a lack of consideration for obstacles/solutions. One of the main themes is about how the pillars of liberal democracy work in terms of checks and balances and how this is a) not currently working as it should be for everyone b) how the situation is getting worse c) who has been and who is being left out of conversations and why and is it possible to change this?

shrugs

I don't think I can win either way, but whatever.

@callmeadoctor

I have discovered that you can block words on Twitter from your feed, it has become so much nicer...................

Ooh, how?

Do I have to go and find out for myself !

They are pissed off she portrayed a lesbian but is straight. It's a simple as that. She's done nothing wrong. She is being smeared for nothing.

It's utterly batshit, and concerning that all of this vitriol is coming from people who appear to be mainly adults

Are they pissed off that she's not really a killer? Will their heads explode if they find out Sylvester Stallone isn't really a boxer, or Bill Skarsgård isn't really a clown? As is the nature of acting.

It's scary times, I feel terrified for the kids today getting sucked in to all of this social media bullshit.

To support Trump, you have to be prepared, as a minimum..
See, here we go again. So if someone voted for Labour at the last election would you not be able to date them because they turned a blind eye to anti-semitism? You do understand that everybody turns a blind eye when they vote? Or decides not to vote? Both of these are valid positions. Voting for someone does not mean you endorse all of their views. That is just the normal democratic process.

And I suspect that if a friend of mind did hook up with someone like that, I would think less of them
Y'know, as I went through life I realised that people I like can hold views I very much dislike and had, in my youthful naivety, thought made someone the scum of the earth if they held. But I reacted to that by realising that good people can have different views from me.
So, I re-evaluated my own prejudice: not my view of them. Today the opposite happens. If someone you like holds a view you don't, people don't re-evaluate their prejudice, but re-evaluate their view of their friend. This does not seem to me a good trend. I am not sure gay rights would have happened with this mentality. It seems to me that progress on gay rights was partly based on people coming out and people going, 'oh Bob / Doreen are homosexual! But, I like them! Maybe gay people aren't monstrous freaks of nature after all'. But given today's 'progressive' mentality it would be ' Bob/ Doreen are homosexual! I thought they were nice but clearly they are monstrous freaks of nature instead.'

@Evelefteden

*Point out who you are? Jeez. I am always taken aback by people on the left, who decry others as fascists yet advocate a policy of harassment and shaming to silence and ostracise those who hold different opinions - or associate with those with different opinions*

This. The hypocrisy blows my mind

Yes

Does it happen the other way round?

Go onto to your twitter name, under it go onto" more" click onto settings. When on settings click onto Privacy and Safety, scroll down to "muted" then onto muted words, you can then add on your choice of muted words and save. Its not perfect by any means but my feed is looking much nicer. Ive only blocked about 10 words but add to it occasionally

How does anyone know if jodie is straight? She might be bisexual.

Plus following trump on twitter means nothing. I expect loads of people follow his twitter to see what he's saying. It doesn't mean they all support him. And even if they do, that's up to the individual.

I can certainly see why trump and his ilk are so popular. The far left is as much a fucking cesspit and almost as dangerous as the far right.

@ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal

She may well be bisexual. She’s dating a guy now though and they have both had their accounts hacked. He was an unknown yesterday but today his life has been turned upside down and his girlfriend has been ‘cancelled’. I really don’t envy celebrities in this day and age

The level of screeching on Twitter is something else. Whether it’s Terfs, going out with a Trump supporter, or who can/can’t sign a letter supporting freedom of speech. Yet death threats, pressure on employers to sack those deemed wrong, and threats of sexual assault are dishes out with abandon. A bizarre microcosm.

@FortunesFave

Cancelling means more than online shaming. It means people actively unfollow and unsubscribe which hurts some people's income.

Exactly. I don't think this equates to canceling Jodie at all.

Whether you like it or not, Trump is the legitimate leader of the USA, elected in their system.
Yes. And, from where I'm sitting, the democratic party, instead of getting to grips with why so many people exercised their legitimate right to vote for him, has spent 4 years engaging in a personal vendetta, which I suggest is why, despite everything, he still has a good chance of winning a further term.

This isn’t new, and it isn’t exclusively to Twitter.

The cyber-stalking and outrage about a celeb’s private life has been going on in fandom spaces for 20 years. Five or ten years ago these kinds of posts were all over Tumblr. 20 years ago they were on BBs or Yahoo Groups.

Fandom abandoning Tumblr for Twitter was the single worst thing both for fandom and everyone else, since all the obsession and craziness is on much more public display now.

Lots of Republicans don't directly agree with Trump and wouldn't consider themselves Trump supporters but still the political ideology of the Republican party resonates with them. Same in the UK - not everyone who voted Tory would consider themselves Boris supporters - he may be the leader of the party but he isn't the party itself. Not all Labour voters liked Corbyn.

But whether her boyfriend likes Trump or not, that does not define Jodie Comer. It may give an idea of her boyfriend and his views and values, but you can date someone with really different views to you and compromise on things. And whether someone supports a particular political party doesn't always define their personality, whether they are kind and charismatic in their personal life, whether they are good in bed. And it is only Jodie Comer's business whether she agrees that a person's views and personality are compatible with her own sufficient enough to date them. It is quite scary that ransoms on Twitter feel so heavily invested in the personal life of someone they don't know that they can comment on that and believe they know better than her.

I am not American and although I have an opinion on Trump, it isn't relevant to anyone except me and my family, because I am not involved in US politics or eligible to vote there. Its the same for Jodie Comer.

It's madness, fans seem to think they are entitled to know, and have a say, in their favourite celebrity's life.
I looked up a photo of Jamie Dornans wife on Pinterest a few weeks ago and now get pics of them on my homepage feed. Most of them have comments underneath them which isn't really usual on Pinterest.
So I had a nosey.
Fuck me. The vitriol aimed at her is madness.
'fans' seen to think that JD hates her and is really in love with Dakota Johnson, his wife gets pregnant to keep him, they never smile, they never hold hands blah blah blah. Utter bonkers. Some people need to step away from social media for a while.

You are the sum of the 5 people you spend most time with.

This would only be true if they were the only influence on you. I read books, fiction and non-fiction that helps me to see others’ points of view. I watch TV documentaries that help me to see the world in different ways.
I want to see more of what challenges my beliefs so I don’t get stuck in one way of thinking.

I am concerned at the cancelling and no platforming of people based on what someone else has declared is "the right way to think".

Surely in an educated, democratic society there is room for differing opinions- and by shutting down voices who have an opinion different from your own with vitriol and aggression on social media-JK Rowling has had death threats- how can that possibly be measured debate?

Lots of shouting and performance posting and not much listening to others views.

And then the prevailing wind blows a different way and someone else ends up in the firing line. what then?

And so on...